Advice needed on Safe use of Oral Morphine solution please?

[pally pete]

I am going to use Morphine Oral solution for the first time.

Ive used the ms contin tabs before but didnt break the time release mechanism so they didnt work very well and i took a very low dose.

My Opiate of choice is Oxycodone where i can use between 80-400mg per day, i realise the conversion chart says Oral Morphine 30mg = 20mg Oxycodone so i was thinking about starting on a dose of around 100mg Oral morphine, even though i know the Bio Availability is only 40-50%

I do not have the solution in my possession yet but i am told it is 300ml 10mg/5ml total 600mg Oral solution.

Any tips on safely using this would be much appreciated, also any experiences etc

 

[tokenname]

I'd start @ 60-80mg. and work my way up...but that's if it were me.
I metabolise morphine quite fine...
Just because you use opiates in large amounts at times..
doesn't necessarily indicate how tolerant you are.
should feel effects w/in 15-20 min. but wait
an hour to redose.
It tastes horrible..I suggest lemonade/cranberry something
as a chaser.
Make sure you understand exactly how to measure your dose.
Use the oral syringe if it comes with.
I know everybody thinks oral morphine is worthless..
but it's no joke..this is what they give you when you're dying.

suggested reading:http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/DrugSafety/UCM199333.pdf

Careful, always.
~token

 

[Pjkt2501]

^Lemonaid is a perfect idea for mixing it w/ something.

As token said, start low and work up. Morphine is going to react much differently in you than oxycodone does. Your tolerance to oxycodone will translate over to other opiates - but each one has a specific metabolic pathway, and 'similar but not the same' receptors to cling to.

Another vote for 60-80mg equivalent and go from there. It lasts a while so you'll be able to successfully titrate up w/o issue.

Good luck / have fun! (assuming it's recreational, if it's for pain, I do wish you the best of luck)

 

[phatass]

you say you take on average 80-400mg oxy in a day... so lets say you get a good buzz from 200mg oxy... according to this website
http://www.globalrhh.com/narcotic.cgi 200mg oral oxy=300mg oral morphine
according to wikipedia 5.0–6.7 mg oycodone = 10mg oral morphine (does not state the ROA, but thats not too problematic, since oral, plugged, sniffed are between 90+% and 100% (IV)
and on http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sites3/Documents/814/OpiateConversionDoses[Final]Nov2010.pdf it says 10mg of oxy=20mg oral morphine

also i believe the oral BA of morphine is much closer to 30% than 50%...

so i take it yu do you not IV? is it morphine solution prepped ,for injection?? if it is, you could IM it if you don't like IV... IM BA is like 90+%, but in no case IM if it is not a solution prepped for that specific use...

bak to your question, if you get a normal buzz from an OC 80, i would recommend starting at 160mg oral morphine.. you can nearly cut that dose in half if you plug it+ you'll get a faster more intense come-up.... up to you...

also if you're going to take it orally be sure to cruh the pill, or the beads in the gelcap, ino a fine powder, to defeat the extended release and allthough the higgh will be shorter, it will be far more inense than the ER version

another small tip.. do not redose before the effects of the first morphine high has completely worn out. or else you will find the effects very much diminished ime...

all i can think of right now...
enjoy!

 

[pally pete]

Thanks for the advice everybody.

And Phatass i dont inject at all, the morphine sulphate was ORAL SOLUTION so i was told and came with pipette which i guess would be used to put the solution into my mouth not my veins or muscles.

Thanks for your imput all the same, and all those links you provided.

 

[tokenname]

Do you mean I wasted my first on topic post for nothing?

sigh...lesson learned.


ah well..you're better off probably in the long run.

token

 

[Tommyboy]

according to wikipedia 5.0–6.7 mg oycodone = 10mg oral morphine (does not state the ROA, but thats not too problematic, since oral, plugged, sniffed are between 90+% and 100% (IV)

Phatass, the wikipedia Opioid Comparison page takes into consideration the ROA, and states "The following table lists commonly used opioid drugs and their relative potencies. Values for the potencies of opioids listed on this table are given as taken orally unless another route of administration is provided." Also, it has a listing for (oral) morphine and (IV/IM) morphine, so make sure to look at the correct one OP.

 

[pally pete]

I may be weaker today and actually get the Morphine and luckily enough i have a full packet of Certirizine!

I do have one (actually a few) question(s) though with regards to Morphine?

Is it a very sociable drug? (Obviously i guess this may be dose dependant) Is it obvious to others that you are intoxicated? (I guess this may again be dose dependant)

The reason i ask is that im going to out to a club night/gig tonight 'Alkaline Trio' are playing in my city tonight, so i was of possibly playing with the idea of throwing a little Morphine into the mix.

Good/bad idea?

Thanks all.

 

[Pjkt2501]

To me that sounds brilliant. And I'm a wee bit jealous.

But flux is pumping right now, and I'm seeing him (flux pavilion) and cookie monsta in 2-3 weeks. mission: get WAY more acid before then. GO. (bah it's 5am..)

Anyhow; in the future please don't cross-post / make a new thread to address a question present in another. I provided a nicely descriptive tale of a general "night out on the town"..

 

[pally pete]

To me that sounds brilliant. And I'm a wee bit jealous.

But flux is pumping right now, and I'm seeing him (flux pavilion) and cookie monsta in 2-3 weeks. mission: get WAY more acid before then. GO. (bah it's 5am..)

Anyhow; in the future please don't cross-post / make a new thread to address a question present in another. I provided a nicely descriptive tale of a general "night out on the town"..

Yeah thanks and sorry, i have read and replied to your excellent post in my other thread, i promise to try not to do it again.

Please forgive me father for i have sinned. :D

 

[Pjkt2501]

Next sin shall be punished with a MERGE!

And with that, comes posts all out of order!
(damn timestamping...)

Glad you found my reply entertaining. Hop over to the social to get a clue why I'm a bit bonkers. :D

 

[pally pete]

Next sin shall be punished with a MERGE!

And with that, comes posts all out of order!
(damn timestamping...)

Glad you found my reply entertaining. Hop over to the social to get a clue why I'm a bit bonkers. :D

Haha.

You only need to read my posts in BDD to see that im Bonkers! :D

 

[Tommyboy]

I may be weaker today and actually get the Morphine and luckily enough i have a full packet of Certirizine!

I do have one (actually a few) question(s) though with regards to Morphine?

Is it a very sociable drug? (Obviously i guess this may be dose dependant) Is it obvious to others that you are intoxicated? (I guess this may again be dose dependant)

You don't know from having taken it before? Anyway, I get more talkative on morphine, so I guess it's socialble. Go with a low dose. I actually don't find the euphoria to increase much with the dose (considering you take a high enough dose to give you euphoria in the first place) but sedation obviously increases with the dose, as well as the other noticable effects of opiates (pin-point eyes, itching, nodding, etc).

 

[pally pete]

You don't know from having taken it before? Anyway, I get more talkative on morphine, so I guess it's socialble. Go with a low dose. I actually don't find the euphoria to increase much with the dose (considering you take a high enough dose to give you euphoria in the first place) but sedation obviously increases with the dose, as well as the other noticable effects of opiates (pin-point eyes, itching, nodding, etc).

Im just about to leave to go meet my friend to go to the venue for the gig.

I decided against getting the Morphine, but i did consume 3xxmg Diazepam. (Disappointed smiley)

Thanks guys n gals.

 

[pally pete]

Btw Guyz 'n' Girlz i finally gave in (weak willed me!) and got hold of the Morphine solution! 8(

The bottle is un-opened. Im probably repeating myself here which i do quite often. Im probably repeating myself here which i do quite often.

The bottle reads Oramorph Oral Solution 10mg/5ml morphine solution This bottle contains a total of 600mg of morphine sulphate.

Each 5 ml contains Morphine Sulphate 10 mg

300 ml.

Ive read the instruction sheet and it states each 5 ml contains 10 mg of morphine sulphate as the active ingredient.

It also states amongst many other things that each dose should be given in 5 ml doses which thanks to the info sheet ive just learnt after nearly 33 years of life that 1 Tea spoon = 5 ml

Any more advice before i indulge?

Best taken on empty stomach or does it not really make much difference? I ate dinner around 30 minutes ago and was thinking of waiting another 30 minutes and then taking a xxmg dose of the 2nd generation antihistamine Cetirizine which come in 10 mg tabs and states on the packet no more than one a day.

 

[tokenname]

You're not tricking me again! lol

see my original FIRST ON TOPIC POST! for advice already given

jealous now...sigh....

Careful..read..enjoy..feel free to share w/me...there - advice given.

Seriously..start low and work your way up.

~token

 

[pally pete]

You're not tricking me again! lol

see my original FIRST ON TOPIC POST! for advice already given

jealous now...sigh....


Careful..read..enjoy..feel free to share w/me...there - advice given.

Seriously..start low and work your way up.

~token

Ok thanks my ' New Friend' :D

Ive fully read your post and all the text in the link provided.

I think im about ready to go in! Start low and work my way up..... 60mg to begin which if my math is correct = 6 uk teaspoons worth? (1 teaspoon approx 5-6ml = 10mg Morphine solution)

 

[tokenname]

Ok thanks my ' New Friend' :D

Ive fully read your post and all the text in the link provided.

I think im about ready to go in! Start low and work my way up..... 60mg to begin which if my math is correct = 6 uk teaspoons worth? (1 teaspoon approx 5-6ml = 10mg Morphine solution)

Sounds about right to me..
Dropper or measuring cup that comes even w/otc meds works a little more accurately...
but..who am I to argue w/UK teaspoon measurements!
In any case...you should be good to go!

UPDATE later!

~token

 

[pally pete]

Sounds about right to me..dropper or measuring cup that comes even w/otc meds works a little more accurately...
in any case...you should be good to go!

UPDATE later!

~token

I played it safe as the solution didnt come with a dropper, measuring cup or plastic medicine spoon.

I searched on tinternet (Google, wiki and other sources) with regards to 1 teaspoon measurement and apparently 1 teaspoon measurement can vary from country to country.

A U.K teaspoon can measure anywhere between 4-9ml! so i played it safe and took 5 teaspoons worth of solution, so approximately 50mg-ish of solution.

Although my hands are that shakey i spilled a fair bit of each teaspoon so probably ended up with less! And it didnt actually taste that bad.

You say wait 1 hour at least before re-dosing right?

 

[tokenname]

Yes...this is what I say.

Wait at least 40.
60 is better to err on the side of caution...
Shouldn't take more than 15-20 short minutes to feel where you're going ...
and an additional 15-20 to be sure of where you are.

titrate up slowly..until the gold standard of sweet spots has been found!

Have I mentioned my jealousy yet?

token