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Long story short I have reasonably severe social anxiety and generlised anxiety. Its getting better everyday, and Im really making progress, but tis still a problem for me.

At the end of this month I'm attending a psytrance festival with a friend of mine who also suffers social anxiety, who i met on an anxiety support website over a year ago. This is my first full festival spanning more than a day, so im absolutely stoked. Ill be fine sober. But I plan of course to take some friends with me. And try a few ive never tried before, the one that has me excited, yet worried is mdma.

Im usually very good at controlling my anxiety on drugs, its tough sometimes but its a scarific ive got to make if I am to enjoy an altered state of mind. As a rule I stay away from stimulants however, I have almost nil experience with stims, and Im not entirely sure how much of a stmulant mdma is. I was just after an opinion really as to whether anxiety is a problem on mdma, and if it is, how controllable is it. On a psychadelic, or dissociative, I can often channel my negative vibes into soemthing good, and steer the experience to a happier place. Should it turn bad, is this possible on mdma ?
 
You will be fine, in all honesty I couldn't think anywhere better than a psytrance festival. Just remember that the majority will be tripping balls so ignore any odd looks you do get. Also, MDMA pretty much `cured` any social anxiety I have, not just why I'm rolling but long term.

Just have fun, it's what everyones there to do.
 
Cz_x said:
You will be fine, in all honesty I couldn't think anywhere better than a psytrance festival. Just remember that the majority will be tripping balls so ignore any odd looks you do get. Also, MDMA pretty much `cured` any social anxiety I have, not just why I'm rolling but long term.

Just have fun, it's what everyones there to do.
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Thanks for that :). Ive heard mdma makes you very talkative and confident which is great, I was just a little worried about that snowballing kind of anxiety. That same friend also told me hat too much mdma is a good thing. Im strugglign to get my head around the dosing of this substance, people seem to take wildly varying doses, but report nothing but good the higher the dose. Surely some bad effects creep in at higher doses ? I dont want to take too much, but similarly i dont want to tkae not enough. As ive heard from everyone ive asked that your first mdma trip is special, and nothing ever quite compares to it. So id really like it to be special :). What are your thoughts and feelings on that ?
 
Also, sorry, more stupid questions. The fesitval is 3 days 2 nights , and the day after than I have work. I shall probbaly take it the last night, so Ill have teh whole day next day to recover, then Im working the day after that. Will I be ok enough to work then ? Ive read that the comedowns can be bad and last a long long time.

Thought Id add, the pills are pressed by a friend of a friend. And I know 100% they are the real deal, no added crap.
 
Well, IMO, too much mdma is certainly bad. My last roll I took about 500 mg's+ spread over the night and eventually my anxiety and insecurity turned against me, 10 times stronger then my normal state. I thought nothing bad or negative could happen while under the influence of E but hey there it was.
If I were you, if they are strong pills I'd take 1 or 2 MAX, you'll have an AMAZING time, it would be bad if you spoiled it by taking too much.
 
make sure what you have is MDMA. My friend who has bad anxiety problems took a pill that was piperazine and ended up having a full blown panic attack.
 
You *should* be fine if it is REAL MDMA. I have anxiety as well and I've never had problems with MDMA, it has actually helped my anxiety a bit. Of course, I've had some "bad" pills in the past (that I was an idiot and didn't test at that time) and it REALLY sucks if it isn't actually MDMA.

If you want to be fine for work, make sure you don't take too much! No more than one pill. Really. If you take too much, you will likely feel terrible for a while (a few days).
 
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On a psychadelic, or dissociative, I can often channel my negative vibes into soemthing good, and steer the experience to a happier place. Should it turn bad, is this possible on mdma ?
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If you can turn negative vibes on psychadelics and dissociatives in positive ones, you'll have no problems with anxiety on MDMA man trust. The release of serotonin and dopamine in the brain (among other things obviously) will make you extremely happy and euphoric. You may feel a little anxious on the come up but that is completely normal, when it starts to kick in you'll forget all about it and feel amaaazing!. I find having 1 or 2 beers before hand helps (wouldn't advise drinking more alcohol than that though) and really gets me in the mood.
People say weed helps with the nerves on the come up, but it's the complete opposite for me (I have anxiety aswell), I'd stay away from it and save it for the comedown.

And psytrance is SIICK on MDMA you will love it!, I get proper into all the psychadelic melodies you hear in the tracks :D
 
Thanks guys thats really put my mind at rest :). I cant wait !!

A beer or two is definitely a good idea to, is this safe in terms of toxicolagy and interactions ? I generally assume most drugs shouldn't be taken with alcohol. But a bit of alcohol really helps my anxiety.
 
You'll be fine i think. As for the come down my opinion is that this is highly exaggerated and you get what you expect.. Though I'm one of those who feels like a new, fresher person for days and weeks after a roll :) and we are all different. Just don't worry about it and you will be fine :)
 
One more stupid question and I promise ill leave you all alone, and get back to OD where i belong. I was on SSRI's for about 6 months about a 6 months ago(last ssri taken 6 months ago) And although the shrinks seem to think i do, im not sure I have low seretonin to begin with. Is this likely to affect anything ?

Another question, As a result of being prescribed a ton of different ssri's, and deciding its all bullshit. I have a lot spare, Ive read in a few places that taking an ssri just as your roll is ending helps with the comedown, and minimises seretonin depletion afterwards. Can you guys confirm this is a good/bad idea, as Im a little dubious of seretonin syndrome.

Thanks all for your replies, its much appreciated :).
 
130mg's of MDMA had me absolutely floored during the peak and that was my second time with a three month break. I'd definitely say you can take too much MDMA but its subjective; i'd imagine alot of people enjoy the "floored" sensation but I did not. If I was you i'd stick to 100-10mgs as I found this extremely euphoric, sociable and empathetic my first time, without feeling like a zombie e-tard. Maybe i'm just very susceptible to MDMA and have a naturally weak tolerance though.

In terms of anxiety i'd say this drug is fantastic for social anxiety disorder. I personally experience SAD to an extent and the drug just cures it completely while I still feel in control of what i'm doing. I feel closer to people i've met at a rave to some people I live with that I can't connect with due to SAD. I even plan on taking it during next years fresher's year to make new friends as i'm a social god while on it ;) and 100mg had me barely exhibiting physical effects (gurning,sweating etc). The best bit for me was how it impacted me sober; people I met on MD i felt far more able to talk to sober so for me it has its therapeutic uses.

providing you have good, tested MDMA it should be a very positive experience. Enjoy.

Just make sure you do it properly and the first time should be an experience you never forget.
 
I wouldn't worry too much about the next day if I were you. Many people, especially new users, don't experience much of a comedown, some actually feel better than normal the following day. As far as serotonin syndrome goes I don't think the risk is very high when using an SSRI after rolling, apparently the two mechanism work agaisnt eachother not together. I still probably wouldn't recommend it unless you find it absolutely essential, which you very well may not. If you go to the directory thread, I think its in the ecstasy discussion forum and look under S for SSRI you can find a lot more information on the topic than I could provide. Aside from that you should be fine with your anxiety most people feel a complete loss of it while rolling but that is on pure MDMA...you may want a test kit just to be sure... Btw I know a girl with very bad social anxiety.. She's loves MDMA..claims its actually helps her. I've heard many similar testimonials to this. just be in good company you should be fine.
 
Folley said:
For about 4 hours.... then the lack of serotonin and down-regulation of receptors can make social disorders like Depression, Bipolar disorder, Anxiety, etc, much worse, or cause the disorders to manifest in the first place...
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Read my whole post maybe?

the best bit for me was how it impacted me sober; people I met on MD i felt far more able to talk to sober so for me it has its therapeutic uses.
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Ive heard a lot of first hand reports from people with SAD similar to yours jwills, they seem to think its helpful during and after. Who knows what could have become of these substances back in 60s when psychologist looked into therapeutic uses of drugs like this for issues exactly like social anxiety... Timothy Leary may have had good intentions and great ideas he would've recomended e to anyone with social problems....but he totally delegimatized psychedelic study and was a huge reason why it was called off.
 
gooballs said:
Ive heard a lot of first hand reports from people with SAD similar to yours jwills, they seem to think its helpful during and after. Who knows what could have become of these substances back in 60s when psychologist looked into therapeutic uses of drugs like this for issues exactly like social anxiety... Timothy Leary may have had good intentions and great ideas he would've recomended e to anyone with social problems....but he totally delegimatized psychedelic study and was a huge reason why it was called off.
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Its really brilliant for building a social connection that doesn't feel artificial the next day. Whereas alcohol has basically compounded my social anxieties through its depressant properties combined with the most retarded person it turns me into. The two times i've tried MDMA have had no hangover, merely an afterglow which was nice; not to say it doesn't cause hangovers though.

I met this girl the other night, on MD, that I felt so strongly about at the time that I dreamt about her last night. There's just something magical about the social bonds for me that feel very real even next day when my SAD is prevalent with other people. From my experiences so far, its been nothing but positive for anxieties but i'm by no means experienced. I'd imagine its not so good when you abuse it.

EDIT: this is my few experiences and by no means fact.
 
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Definitely moderation is the key. And in this area there aren't an incredible amount of facts to go. How drugs reactions overlap the pre existing mental states of those with anxiety or other psychiatric disorders is something people barely try to research anymore. It is a fact that e can cause down regulation of serotonin but that seems to only happen after abuse. A lot who don't abuse it feel similarly to you.
 
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