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Haha good point, someone who went through cold turk and has managed not to use again probably would be trying not to be on the web reading about drugs/other people doing drugs.
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Haha good point, someone who went through cold turk and has managed not to use again probably would be trying not to be on the web reading about drugs/other people doing drugs.
memphis10
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Hope this helps someone
This is coming from a long time addict who's been doing well for close to 6 months.
Cold turkey is the way to go. Drug addiction is psychological but also behavioral. I have done plenty of ct and tapers and etc and until I really decided it was time for a life change something clicked. No na. No aa. No rehab tho I've done that many times. Once ur done w opiates u won't want to taper. If ur bad enough off your not going to want to taper....ur gonna want that shit out of you.
Am I perfect? No. But I am a million miles away from where I was as a person just 6 mo ago. I look good, I've held down a job, got my family back. I still want to use occasionally but I'm learning some Fuckin self control. And you best believe I still smoke n drink and have a good time.
I guess I don't know the answer and its still been short term. Somethings gotta change in you or u won't stay clean. And then ull get to the point where u can eat 30mgs of vicodin maybe once a month and it takes u right back to that place....but u ain't Fuckin ur life up.
I don't think there's a model for getting off this shit. When ur done and want something better....ur done. Or u can keep it upo and die or turn into the biggest pos in history or just live miserable forever. Opiates are no good
This is coming from a long time addict who's been doing well for close to 6 months.
Cold turkey is the way to go. Drug addiction is psychological but also behavioral. I have done plenty of ct and tapers and etc and until I really decided it was time for a life change something clicked. No na. No aa. No rehab tho I've done that many times. Once ur done w opiates u won't want to taper. If ur bad enough off your not going to want to taper....ur gonna want that shit out of you.
Am I perfect? No. But I am a million miles away from where I was as a person just 6 mo ago. I look good, I've held down a job, got my family back. I still want to use occasionally but I'm learning some Fuckin self control. And you best believe I still smoke n drink and have a good time.
I guess I don't know the answer and its still been short term. Somethings gotta change in you or u won't stay clean. And then ull get to the point where u can eat 30mgs of vicodin maybe once a month and it takes u right back to that place....but u ain't Fuckin ur life up.
I don't think there's a model for getting off this shit. When ur done and want something better....ur done. Or u can keep it upo and die or turn into the biggest pos in history or just live miserable forever. Opiates are no good
memphis10
Bluelighter
And check it out there's lots of positives .
I wake up every morning feeling great. I sleep good. Don't fiend for nothin dept maybe a blunt after a long day. I can still get drunk n high but it doesn't Steven hawking incapacitate me. Shooting dope is a full time shitty job. Not a whole lot of wiggle room left to do positive things when ur hustlin and bein high all day.
Big plus....my dick works again 24hr 7 days a week and it is great to be a young good looking white boy in Charlotte nc thanks to the whores at plenty of fish . Com
Time to stop this stupid shit guys
Make ur fam happy make u some money get u some Pussy and then maybe one day when the people u care about are gone and won't have to watch u descend into fucking junkie hell u can go be a dope addict all u want the dope ain't goin nowhere and u won't have anyone to worry about.
My biggest kick in the ass came not from being sick or broke or homeless or just a horrible person....but seeing the toll it took on my family while they all mentally prepared to watch me die young.
Fuck that.
That's my motivation to keep kicking ass. And u bet ur ass ill go grab a fucking suboxone and do like .5 mg and nod out before I stick myself w. Fucking needle ever again.
Tough it out....its worth it
I wake up every morning feeling great. I sleep good. Don't fiend for nothin dept maybe a blunt after a long day. I can still get drunk n high but it doesn't Steven hawking incapacitate me. Shooting dope is a full time shitty job. Not a whole lot of wiggle room left to do positive things when ur hustlin and bein high all day.
Big plus....my dick works again 24hr 7 days a week and it is great to be a young good looking white boy in Charlotte nc thanks to the whores at plenty of fish . Com
Time to stop this stupid shit guys
Make ur fam happy make u some money get u some Pussy and then maybe one day when the people u care about are gone and won't have to watch u descend into fucking junkie hell u can go be a dope addict all u want the dope ain't goin nowhere and u won't have anyone to worry about.
My biggest kick in the ass came not from being sick or broke or homeless or just a horrible person....but seeing the toll it took on my family while they all mentally prepared to watch me die young.
Fuck that.
That's my motivation to keep kicking ass. And u bet ur ass ill go grab a fucking suboxone and do like .5 mg and nod out before I stick myself w. Fucking needle ever again.
Tough it out....its worth it
memphis10
Bluelighter
ALSO
(i dont know why im so passionate about this today, maybe because it was my bday yesterday...i lurk here randomly i dont post like i used to)
as far as cold turkey. it doesnt have to be COLD TURKEY. shit, get yourself a buncha xanax and booze and ket and weed basically any sedative not an opiate and maybe some addys for when ur through or feel like shit and need to get up and exercise or go look for a job, etc
there is nothing wrong w/ using other meds.
this may not be scientifically accurate but this is kinda how i look at it. i feel like there is a spot in my brain that opiates go to and make me feel a certain way. if i light that spot up too many times too quickly, it burns out (withdrawal). i gotta change the bulb in my brain to get back to normal. u can either let that bulb flicker out slowly by tapering or u can just change the damn bulb and get it over with.
GET IT OVER WITH
im telling you, going from addicted to opiates to NO opiates is like yourself timesx10000. even though opies are relatively benign they do some sick shit to your thought process and motivations and decision making abilities. it makes u feel like its okay to rob people all day and be a complete piece of shit just so u can get high. it makes it seem normal. i feel like a lot of people probably relapse because they get sober and shit starts coming back to them and they start to feel regret for their actions and they get back on. it is actually kind of amazing to watch your body go from a state of bullshit to feeling like superman again. my worst dope w/ds lasted bad about 2 weeks...and i didnt feel right for a couple months. eventually you put some weight on and get your sleep and motivation back and its like a new you. color comes back to your eyes, in your skin, its noticeable. and you will be kicking your own ass for letting yourself go so far down the rabbit hole.
if anyone is reading this with a smallish bupe habit....just fucking quit taking it. it may not be getting u high, u may be functioning, but that is a strong opiate it is deceptive. get that shit out of you. i know people who have been on subs for years. ive had 2 diff prescriptions as well AS WELL as being a patient (lol) at the methadone clinic when i was 17. that little bit of sub is holding your body/brain back from fully functioning correctly again.
the small (under 2mg) bupe habits. the small hydro habits. the 1-2 roxy a day habits. all of that shit can be taken care of in 2 weeks and you will be back to normal. u just have to do it.
what is 2 weeks of suffering for literally making the rest of your life so much better. JUST DO IT
the monster habits - bundle of dope, 60 plus mg methadone, fent, 10 plus roxies or opanas....this is what you do:
buy up all the benzos and pot and any booze if u can stomache it
KICK THAT SHIT and stay FADED FADED the first few days. yeah, thats not safe advice, but im sure if ur shootin 200 of dope a day u can eat a few bars and have a few beers and not die (but of course be safe). its still not gonna be pleasant, but its better than just laying there being sick all day puking and shitting on yourself. if you wanna taper so bad just make u a super strict benzo dosing schedule for your opiate wd and taper the benzos off after a couple of weeks (do not push benzos past 2 weeks).
i used to be so miserable...mostly my day went : hustle some money (rob, deal, whatever), cop less dope than i wanted, shoot it and be pretty disappointed, and start the cycle over. thats no way to live
PM me if u need some personal help i will do what i can to motivate you. i have been here a LONG time and have been through a LOT of shit (some of you know me personally). i believe that ANYONE can kick this shit, its all a matter of willpower, which dope destroys, but i KNOW YOU HAVE IT IN YOU. I KNOW IT.
(i dont know why im so passionate about this today, maybe because it was my bday yesterday...i lurk here randomly i dont post like i used to)
as far as cold turkey. it doesnt have to be COLD TURKEY. shit, get yourself a buncha xanax and booze and ket and weed basically any sedative not an opiate and maybe some addys for when ur through or feel like shit and need to get up and exercise or go look for a job, etc
there is nothing wrong w/ using other meds.
this may not be scientifically accurate but this is kinda how i look at it. i feel like there is a spot in my brain that opiates go to and make me feel a certain way. if i light that spot up too many times too quickly, it burns out (withdrawal). i gotta change the bulb in my brain to get back to normal. u can either let that bulb flicker out slowly by tapering or u can just change the damn bulb and get it over with.
GET IT OVER WITH
im telling you, going from addicted to opiates to NO opiates is like yourself timesx10000. even though opies are relatively benign they do some sick shit to your thought process and motivations and decision making abilities. it makes u feel like its okay to rob people all day and be a complete piece of shit just so u can get high. it makes it seem normal. i feel like a lot of people probably relapse because they get sober and shit starts coming back to them and they start to feel regret for their actions and they get back on. it is actually kind of amazing to watch your body go from a state of bullshit to feeling like superman again. my worst dope w/ds lasted bad about 2 weeks...and i didnt feel right for a couple months. eventually you put some weight on and get your sleep and motivation back and its like a new you. color comes back to your eyes, in your skin, its noticeable. and you will be kicking your own ass for letting yourself go so far down the rabbit hole.
if anyone is reading this with a smallish bupe habit....just fucking quit taking it. it may not be getting u high, u may be functioning, but that is a strong opiate it is deceptive. get that shit out of you. i know people who have been on subs for years. ive had 2 diff prescriptions as well AS WELL as being a patient (lol) at the methadone clinic when i was 17. that little bit of sub is holding your body/brain back from fully functioning correctly again.
the small (under 2mg) bupe habits. the small hydro habits. the 1-2 roxy a day habits. all of that shit can be taken care of in 2 weeks and you will be back to normal. u just have to do it.
what is 2 weeks of suffering for literally making the rest of your life so much better. JUST DO IT
the monster habits - bundle of dope, 60 plus mg methadone, fent, 10 plus roxies or opanas....this is what you do:
buy up all the benzos and pot and any booze if u can stomache it
KICK THAT SHIT and stay FADED FADED the first few days. yeah, thats not safe advice, but im sure if ur shootin 200 of dope a day u can eat a few bars and have a few beers and not die (but of course be safe). its still not gonna be pleasant, but its better than just laying there being sick all day puking and shitting on yourself. if you wanna taper so bad just make u a super strict benzo dosing schedule for your opiate wd and taper the benzos off after a couple of weeks (do not push benzos past 2 weeks).
i used to be so miserable...mostly my day went : hustle some money (rob, deal, whatever), cop less dope than i wanted, shoot it and be pretty disappointed, and start the cycle over. thats no way to live
PM me if u need some personal help i will do what i can to motivate you. i have been here a LONG time and have been through a LOT of shit (some of you know me personally). i believe that ANYONE can kick this shit, its all a matter of willpower, which dope destroys, but i KNOW YOU HAVE IT IN YOU. I KNOW IT.
You're not really getting better if you're still doing all that shit. When you get addicted, your brain rewards drug use with a surge of dopamine. You're not doing heroin, so your endorphins will start to recover, but you're still lighting up your dopamine pathways every time you do other drugs, and that subconscious desire for drugs never goes away. Eventually you will go back to opiates because that makes the strongest connection in your brain.
You might even be able to stay off opiates for years before that happens (if the supply dries up or whatever), but subconsciously your brain still thinks it needs opiates and one day when they are available you will do them without even thinking about it.
You might even be able to stay off opiates for years before that happens (if the supply dries up or whatever), but subconsciously your brain still thinks it needs opiates and one day when they are available you will do them without even thinking about it.
memphis10
Bluelighter
i feel like i have crossed a line, and i dont think that will ever go away. i will always associate dope with pleasure and relaxation and awesomeness. does that mean i have to do it? no. there are simpler, healthier ways to get to that place. not shooting dope for an extended period of time and not being sick plus being happy is success for me.
for ME, other folks may have to be different. i have taken a SMALL amount of vicodin a COUPLE of times in the past 6 months. as well as like, under 2mgs of suboxone once or twice (like .5 each time) and just the vicodin and sub LIGHT ME UP...its almost uncomfortable i get so high.
its not even appealing anymore really, sometimes, like if i get over anxious about something or am pissed off at work i will think about the needle as an escape. BUT...self control. and if its so bad im getting ready to cop (and i dont even have anyones # here...i could find dope im SURE but it would taken a few days and prob be a lot of bullshit...and by the time that happens...the bad feelings are gone). i know drinking 2-3x a week and smoking pot isnt the healthiest thing in the world, but its better than shovin g's of tar in my arm all day for forever
for ME, other folks may have to be different. i have taken a SMALL amount of vicodin a COUPLE of times in the past 6 months. as well as like, under 2mgs of suboxone once or twice (like .5 each time) and just the vicodin and sub LIGHT ME UP...its almost uncomfortable i get so high.
its not even appealing anymore really, sometimes, like if i get over anxious about something or am pissed off at work i will think about the needle as an escape. BUT...self control. and if its so bad im getting ready to cop (and i dont even have anyones # here...i could find dope im SURE but it would taken a few days and prob be a lot of bullshit...and by the time that happens...the bad feelings are gone). i know drinking 2-3x a week and smoking pot isnt the healthiest thing in the world, but its better than shovin g's of tar in my arm all day for forever
I agree, particularly with the part in bold. Once you have really had enough of living that kinda life, you want to get better asap. You don't think "I'm so done with opiates, let me schedule a 30-day taper at the clinic, and then I am done!" It's usually "fuck this, I'm done, that's it, no more opiates." It's all about something finally clicking, and when that happens you won't want to deal with a taper. Musician/Celebrities like Anthony Kiedis and Bob Forrest went to countless detoxes before just stopping one day when it clicked in their brains.
sweetstufflover
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Ha! Except that is WAY WAY WAY easier said than done! And I don't believe that is true, people have to deal with the reasons they were using opiates in the first place. You yourself said you think you would have been able to do it IF you had gotten support and made some major changes in your life. Please don't oversimplify things
Personally I have never known anyone who was able to quit cold turkey without relapsing soon after. I'm sure it can be done if the person is truly and completely ready and extremely motivated, but that doesn't mean that most people can do it.
Why would you fight your own health? Staying "clean" is not a honorable fight against the demon opiates, but a compulsive act of fighting the own health (as I said in another thread). This behavior is not natural - it's due to manipulation. Mind-control and programming (propaganda etc.) in the media and our "education system" cause all this mayhem.
Swimmingdancer
Bluelight Crew
I disagree. I think that some people just can't bear the WDs at full force, that doesn't mean they are not ready to quit. Some people feel WDs worse than others and for someone who is in a situation where they might die or commit suicide if they had to just go cold turkey without any tapering, other meds, etc that it going's to be a huge barrier. I do agree that people will quit when they're ready and that something clicks when you're truly ready one day, but I don't think that being ready has to mean you will want to quit cold turkey or that CT will work for you. I also think that when people aren't yet truly ready to quit, some things can really help you in getting to the point where you are ready. For me, I started on methadone when - in retrospect - I wasn't really ready to quit heroin completely, and that gave me the opportunity to live a life that wasn't just solely focussed to getting money for heroin, getting heroin, and doing heroin. I still used dope at first for quite some time, as methadone only helped with the WDs and that's it for me, but I made changes in my life and eventually I was just truly ready to stop using heroin and it suddenly became much easier to stop using it, like a switch had flipped. Then I was still physically dependent on methadone, and the withdrawals are 1000 times worse than those from heroin (even with a gradual taper), but I don't think I would have ever gotten to this point in my life where I was ready to quit if I had never gone on methadone.
ETA: There are a lot of things I hate about methadone and the way it's dispensed and the way doctors lie about it, and I certainly don't recommend it for everyone, but I honestly don't think that if I had just kept using heroin and trying to quit cold turkey I would have ever gotten to the point where I was ready to quit or if I did my life would've been way way worse in the meantime.
memphis10
Bluelighter
yeah and it doesnt have to be a "im never using a drug ever again". and even a step down from dope or something whatever your DOC is to something less debilatating w/ the intention of cutting down to zero is still progress...but its not necessary in every situation. doesnt make it wrong, whatever gets u to the other side gets u there. at some point there has to be a realization that there is a better life out there, a better way to live...when u find it, u hang onto it
OriginalGamer
Greenlighter
Hahahaha Jesus C.?