Desoxyn & Eatin Disorders

[BabyGurl3171]

I was put on Desoxyn a little over a month ago. I have since barely been eatin, takin extras and lost 20 lbs in 27 days. I was anorexic years ago but now I feel like I'm almost there again. Should I tell my dr I had an ED before? I don't wanna lose them all together but I don't wanna end up 70ish pounds again and in ICU.
Ideas? Maybe a diff med?

 

[Allein]

You have a history of anorexia and your doctor gives you Desoxyn, seems like madness to me, I juts son;t understand the US medical system at all, in the UK we have would all have a medical file with all your history in there. There must be something like that in the US even if its just so the insurance company can look at it of they want to ?

Any how my lack of understanding does nothing for you.

You don't say if your underweight now but it does sound like you feel you are entering the same pattern you were in before a far as your ED is concerned, personally I think you'd be better off alive than with a script for Desoxyn, I'd tell your doctor you worried about your weight loss.

I can't suggest alternative medications mainly because I'm not a doctor and have no idea what you have been diagnosed with or are suffering from, I'm struggling to keep weight on having stopped drinking but particularly after starting on Effexor, but up to this point the weight I've lost was fine as I was over now I have to make an effort to eat which is not something I have ever had to do before.

 

[effie]

^ excellent advice atm as always

BabyG, that's really rubbish. I think you should tell your doctor, yes.. Anorexia can have huge consequences, and can even be fatal (as I am sure you know) so even if the Desoxyn is benefiting you it can't be worth the risk, surely? I would tell them and ask to be switched to something else. As atm said we can't advise you what, that is something best worked out with your doc. Presumably you've been on other meds before you were started on Desoxyn?

Good luck lovely

 

[BabyGurl3171]

Thanks guys for your input. I lived in Philly PA before movin to Ohio so my history of ED's isn't something my fam dr knows about. I thought I was past this. I have some weight to lose but as fast as I'm losin I don't think this is gonna end well.
I wasn't on anything else before the Desoxyn. It's the only med my insurance will pay for at my age.
I am terrified of gainin a single pound but I don't wanna be back in the mindset that 500 calories means hard workout bc I would gain, in my head, 5 lbs.
I guess I'll talk to him Thursday. Although I'm scared to give it up

 

[effie]

^ I can understand that lovely, but I think the fact that you are already attached to it and anxious about giving it up are further indicators that it's really not a good idea for you to be on it?

 

[mareseatoats]

As said before- tell your doctor. This repetitive activity of "not eating", and being on meds- that also exacerbate this disorder in you could do irreversible damage to your heart, not to mention just your body in general. Bee kind to Thyself

 

[n3wt]

It seems like you're playing with fire to me.

Anorexia on it's own, I'd imagine, would require a lot of willpower. You might have recovered enough that you can't force yourself to ignore your hunger pangs anymore... but having a drug on hand that negates your hunger is another thing. What was difficult just got a lot easier.

It reminds me of a classic drug relapse situation. Someone no longer has easy access to their drug of choice, so they're able to quit. But then they meet a new dealer, or start dating someone who uses, and something that was difficult becomes easy and they're right back where they were before.

 

[Steps]

You could tell your doctor to only give you 15-20 pills for 30 days as a way to overall have a calorie deficit and lose weight, but still get your nutrients and calories

I used to research nutrition, and if you choose the 15 pill route there's a thing called "cyclic fasting" You eat very little 1 day, eat whatever the next, and repeat... fast, eat, fast, eat

Cyclic fasting has been shown to be healthier and have anti-aging effects
THOUGH, that's without a calorie deficit, but I'm sure cyclic dieting isn't any worse than average diets, and like I said, maybe its healthier

 

[ErgicMergic]

Desoxyn is the most mild RX stim prescribed for ADD as far as suppressing hunger goes, unless the added serotonin release from methamphetamine suppresses hunger. I would suggest Dexedrine (5mg ER or 10mg ER once a day), only because it comes in an extended release formulation, so as long as you don't crush the beads, it should release gradually and suppress hunger less.

If you are taking stims for ADD, they should not suppress hunger. Desoxyn is known to make people "speed" at 10-15mg, which includes euphoria, insomnia, appetite suppression, etc. Desoxyn/Dexedrine should not do this at a responsible dosage, perhaps you are taking too much? ADD meds sometimes stimulate appetite in some people, including myself.

Adderall, Caffeine, Ephedrine, those are all bad news for ED's even at lower dosages. If you are taking any SNRI's, SSRI's, or NDRI's, these can also make the problems worse. I remember you had a long list of meds you were taking, perhaps you shouldn't take ADD meds for "ADD" that could just be plain old cognitive impairment caused by the side effects of all those other psych drugs, no offense.

And don't do that cycling fasting bullshit listed above. I like Steps as a poster, and agree with his other posts, but all that's going to do is wreak havoc on your insulin levels and make you gain weight, leading to a relapse of an ED afterwards. Eat normally, every day, a good meal every 4-6 hours.

I've lost 30 pounds this year because of eating good food very often, shooting my metabolism through the roof, to compensate for an inability to exercise often because of injuries. And, I've been able to retain most of my muscle mass. Whenever I eat 1-2 meals a day instead of 5, I always end up gaining weight. Please bring this up with your doctor, this isn't healthy for your mind, mood, endocrine system, or your weight. Only you can take care of yourself, not us

 

[Steps]

Double post sorry

 

[Steps]

There's variables in that cyclic dieting and more to it, so I will say you could be right about it wreaking havoc on insulin, but I still defend theres a proper way to do it

Anywho, knowing they're also on low doses of meth, it might just be too much for the body
Especially knowing meth causes hyperglycemia

As far as appetite supression I find d-meth considerably more potent in supressing hunger, it actually makes my gag reflex easier to trigger, even when simply doing things like brushing my tongue while I brush my teeth.

Serotonin has been shown to be capable of appetite supression, however it also smooths the effect of d-meth...
There is also less NE release compared to d-amp... and I don't know if this is significant buy 90% of the body's serotonin is in the gut... maybe oral meth triggers even more serotonin release, after all I once read a study low oral d-meth doses were similar to low does of mdma...

Anyways let's recap
d-meth vs d-amp
AT LEAST 3x more serotonin release, possibly adding to appetite supression, and the fact 90% of serotonin is in the gut, maybe it causes even more serotonin release and/or appetite supression
1.5-2x more dopamine release, adding to appetite supression
Equal, or, at its lowest, %50 less norepinephrine release, unwanted physical effects are reduced, but appetite supression potential could be lost because of less norepinephrine

I'm leaning towards desoxyn being more potent at appetite supression, but it could vary

 

[ErgicMergic]

Damn Steps, thanks for all that info :D

It definitely seems like Dexedrine is the way to go, then. Serotonin and Dopamine being pretty potent appetite inhibitors, and Dexedrine coming in an extended release formulation, Dex ER seems like the best choice.

Don't be scared to give it up, OP. Either you give up the Desoxyn or give up your health and body and progress, your choice

 

[Steps]

Reply to my pm, lol

It could be, we'd have to assess the pros and cons of each drug, and choices

Desoxyn pros: More potent, "smoother", less unwanted physical stimulation and less paranoia/anxiety, effects, more profound desireable psychological effects, less or none OCD produced,
and duration could surpass Dexedrine ER
Desoxyn cons: Could be too potent, could possibly last too long, or not long enough, more neurotoxic (though the neurotoxicity is probably negligible)

Option 1 - Lower dosage
Option 2 - Lower frequency of use
Option 3 - Switch to dexedrine or another medication
Option 4 - Stop altogether
Option 5 - Force feed yourself... at least drink lots of milk, it has a LOT of protein, contains fat and carbs, and many other nutrients

P.S. Take a multivitamin everyday to prevent things like SCURVY from occuring

 

[kokaino]

Dextroamphetamine causes MAD/INSANE appetite suppression. I would know - I've been on it for many years now. I don't see how dextro-amphetamine is than any safer than dextro-methamphetamine for someone who was formerly anorexic. No amphetamine based stimulant would be safe for somebody like that, not even something as lowly as phentermine (Adipex).

 

[Steps]

Was it complete anorexia nervosa, though? What was the severity?

Because anorexia nervosa is a full blown mental condition, it is not anorexia if someone overweight just goes on a near-starvation diet without other symptoms and warped thought process

 

[BabyGurl3171]

Was it complete anorexia nervosa, though? What was the severity?

Because anorexia nervosa is a full blown mental condition, it is not anorexia if someone overweight just goes on a near-starvation diet without other symptoms and warped thought process

I was 76 lbs and put into a psych ward where I either ate or got a tube in my neck. I'm 5'5" so it was pretty gross. I picked up bulemia at that point so the counselors saw me eat.
Few years later I was throwin up so much I was put in a Fentanyl (sp) induced coma to let my liver and pancreas recover. Liver enzymes were 46,000+. Not a misprint..
I tries eatin shortly after replyin last time and was up throwin up all night on a piece of cheese pizza. Ugh.
I think I'll just "come clean" and figure out a healthy way. I don't wanna die over losin some weight!
Thank you all who replied. Totally awesome advice from everyone! I love the BDD family

 

[Steps]

Well if you continue to use stimulants as diet pills, you could just let your doc know not to refill your script once you're, say, within 20lbs of your goal weight... and if you fall into anorexia or bulimia again, seek help.

 

[kokaino]

Steps, even if you don't want to use the pills as "diet pills", the appetite suppression or anorexic effect from amphetamines is so intense that you can't help it. You just can't eat. Food tastes nasty and you can sit there chew on something for 10 minutes and still not be able to swallow it. I don't know if you've experienced amphetamines or not, but the appetite suppression is intense.

Methylphenidate (Ritalin) or cocaine aren't anywhere as bad. I can take Ritalin or cocaine and eat, if not right away, then at least a bit after. With amphetamines this is not the case at all. You take amphetamines and you are guaranteed to not have any appetite for at least the next 8-12 hours.

 

[Steps]

I'm the self-proclaimed authority of amphetamines on this board...

Well first of all, you misunderstood my post somewhere somehow

I was suggesting that they use the desoxyn for weight loss, but have the doc cease prescribing it once they are near their goal weight
That way, they can stop this extreme diet before it gets dangerous

 

[kokaino]

Okay, I see what you mean. I didn't realize that she was scripted Desoxyn to lose weight. As far as I know, drugs like Desoxyn and Dexedrine are scripted for morbid obesity (people who are 450 lbs and up) and even then they aren't very commonly prescribed. Hell, having ADHD won't even get you Dexedrine or Desoxyn. It's Ritalin and Adderall 98% of the time. I get Dexedrine for ADD and when I first got put on it, I went to every Walgreens/Rite-Aid/CVS and any other drug store within my vicinity and beyond to find a pharmacy that carried or was willing to order Dexedrine for me. I finally found a Rite-Aid almost 7 miles from where I live that carried the drug. I'm sure Desoxyn is even rarer.