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What substances are potent enough to fit on half a blotter?

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And make you trip fairly hard? This isn't meant to be an ID thread but I might as well describe my situation for those wondering. My friend wants to buy what is being sold as "fiery acid" that is potent enough to make you trip off half a tab. He was also told it was more euphoric than most acid. Now obviously, real acid wouldn't vary in its effects (it would never be "more euphoric" unless it wasn't acid..) So aside from LSD, what known psychedelic substance are potent enough to fit an active dose on half a tab if acid? Again, please don't make this an ID thread..
 
There are very many. Especially psychedelic amphetamines like DOB, DOC, DOM (DOM is quite rare) and DOI. Also NBOMe's; 25C-NBOMe, 25D-NBOMe, 25I-NBOMe, 25B-NBOMe. Bromo-DragonFLY too. There are probably more, but those are the most usual compounds laid on blotters if it's not LSD. Basically all psychedelics that are active in sub-milligram doses or a few milligrams.
 
There are very many. Especially psychedelic amphetamines like DOB, DOC, DOM (DOM is quite rare) and DOI. Also NBOMe's; 25C-NBOMe, 25D-NBOMe, 25I-NBOMe, 25B-NBOMe. Bromo-DragonFLY too. There are probably more, but those are the most usual compounds laid on blotters if it's not LSD. Basically all psychedelics that are active in sub-milligram doses or a few milligrams.

I'm not sure that DOx is going to on half a standard sized blotter - usually you're putting one drop or about 50-100ug of compound on a full LSD blotter, whereas you're gonna need roughly 10-20x the dose with DOx.

I'm also a little bit skeptical of 25x being on blotters marketed as "extra potent" since they are not orally active. Same with the DOx, I'm skeptical that DOx would be marketed as "extra potent" LSD fit on half a blotter when the doses needed are much higher and therefore a single half blotter would be extremely weak.

To be honest, only way you'll have an idea is to try them. I'd suggest that if they fit the general effects profile of LSD, that they are indeed just "extra potent" LSD blotters (150ug maybe?) with shitty marketing.
 
I'm not sure that DOx is going to on half a standard sized blotter - usually you're putting one drop or about 50-100ug of compound on a full LSD blotter, whereas you're gonna need roughly 10-20x the dose with DOx.

I'm also a little bit skeptical of 25x being on blotters marketed as "extra potent" since they are not orally active. Same with the DOx, I'm skeptical that DOx would be marketed as "extra potent" LSD fit on half a blotter when the doses needed are much higher and therefore a single half blotter would be extremely weak.

To be honest, only way you'll have an idea is to try them. I'd suggest that if they fit the general effects profile of LSD, that they are indeed just "extra potent" LSD blotters (150ug maybe?) with shitty marketing.

Many points are true, but the NBOMe blotters are usually HPBCD complexed now and are quite active buccally and sublingually too. But I've once had the unfortunate experience of taking half a blotter that was supposedly acid. It turned out to be DOB. It's almost as potent as LSD.
 
Hmm.... the active dose of DOB is definitely not lower than 1mg. Such a dose is only threshold for most people anyway. The active dose of LSD is 50-100ug. That is 10-20x more potent than DOB. Perhaps they some how crammed a lot of DOB onto that half blotter if it was a very absorbent paper, but I definitely wouldn't classify DOB as "almost" as potent as LSD. The only things that come close are the 25x compounds and the dragonflies, and even these are about 5-10x less potent than LSD.
 
Hmm.... the active dose of DOB is definitely not lower than 1mg. Such a dose is only threshold for most people anyway. The active dose of LSD is 50-100ug. That is 10-20x more potent than DOB. Perhaps they some how crammed a lot of DOB onto that half blotter if it was a very absorbent paper, but I definitely wouldn't classify DOB as "almost" as potent as LSD. The only things that come close are the 25x compounds and the dragonflies, and even these are about 5-10x less potent than LSD.

Ah, sorry, you're correct. My memory is a bit impaired right now. But it was definitely DOB and the half blotter was strong as hell (too strong for me, it was a hellish experience, I had real fears about my heart). How much of a compound would be possible to lay on half a blotter?
 
You can definitely lay DOx well in excess of 3mg-4mg on a 0.25" blotter if it's relatively thick... or even moderately thick blotter paper.

Although most people seem to lay DOx between 1mg-2mg per hit so people can dose more easily.

It could be a lot of things.
 
Many points are true, but the NBOMe blotters are usually HPBCD complexed now and are quite active buccally and sublingually too. But I've once had the unfortunate experience of taking half a blotter that was supposedly acid. It turned out to be DOB. It's almost as potent as LSD.

Even non complexed nBOME will fit on a blotter. I have some commercial 25C blotters that are the size of your standard hit and are 750 mcg, although I've only managed to make get 300 mcg on a much larger blotter.
 
I'm aware that the NBOME series will fit on blotter, I just think their supposed prevalence in the market is a little unrealistic/exaggerated, I mean a LOT of people don't take blotters sublingually or buccally. Doesn't seem like a feasible scam, to me. Makes much more sense to lay DOx chemicals.
 
I'm aware that the NBOME series will fit on blotter, I just think their supposed prevalence in the market is a little unrealistic/exaggerated, I mean a LOT of people don't take blotters sublingually or buccally. Doesn't seem like a feasible scam, to me. Makes much more sense to lay DOx chemicals.

I wasn't suggesting that wasn't true. The times I've taken acid I've held it in my mouth for 10ish minutes not trying super hard not to swallow my spit, I also believe that DOx would be a much better choice if you were trying to pass off something as acid. Probably DOC.
 
You could test it with Marquis. That will tell you if it is LSD or a DOx. I don't know what colour an NBOMe or BDFLY would show on a Marquis reagent test. But NBOMe won't be active at that dose if it is swallowed, and it is very highly unlikely to see BDFLY doing the rounds.

It could be an NBOMe, but you would have thought the dealer would have told you it was, and given you instructions on how to administer it. It is most likely a DOx, and given it's purported potency at half a blotter, is probably either DOI or DOB.

But who knows.
 
Why couldn't it simply be LSD? As far as I'm aware, the most potency you can get out of a half blotter will be with LSD, because it is the most potent compound of all of the aforementioned compounds. Seems likely to me that his dealer got some very potent (150-200ug range or something) blotters and decided to do some typical stupid fucking dealer marketing by claiming it is "fire" LSD.
 
it could have just been really good acid. did your friend say the effects the same aside from it being more euphoric?
 
And make you trip fairly hard? This isn't meant to be an ID thread but I might as well describe my situation for those wondering. My friend wants to buy what is being sold as "fiery acid" that is potent enough to make you trip off half a tab. He was also told it was more euphoric than most acid. Now obviously, real acid wouldn't vary in its effects (it would never be "more euphoric" unless it wasn't acid..) So aside from LSD, what known psychedelic substance are potent enough to fit an active dose on half a tab if acid? Again, please don't make this an ID thread..

I have always found that while MDMA, crystal meth, opiates and other such drugs induce a very clean, forced chemical euphoria, on psychedelics this euphoria seems to stem from a childlike wonder and innocent admiration at either a beautiful thing, thought, feeling, or moment.

Having tried a few of the DOx chemicals, I would be more inclined to think that it was just strong acid. Don't say "now obviously, real acid wouldn't vary in its effects" - have you ever eaten real acid? I've found that it varies quite a bit according to a ton of different variables. No, they can't make a batch of acid magically more or less euphoric with anything else than purity, but generally a nice way to get more euphoria is to increase the dose. I usually respond very well to acid and I find my insights, the way I view the world and people around me euphoric. When I take higher doses, this is more pronounced, particularly when you start to fade into full-blown visions that occupy your entire visual field, synesthesia, eventual dissocation and ego-death. The experience is mind-blowing and coming back, safe within your own body, having just gone through all of time, is one of the most euphoric things imaginable.

Any time I've taken a DOx it has been decidedly un-euphoric. The psychedelic mind loops are strange, thinking seems disjointed somehow, visual hallucinations are quite limied and bleak (as opposed to colourful and vibrant on acid), and all this is accompanied by persisting anxiety and a nasty bodyload. If I get a hit of acid I suspect to be something else, as soon as I feel enough warning signs are there I'll choose to abort mission. Unfortunately I rarely carry a shit ton of strong benzos on me - or if I do, I can't spare them - but neuroleptics always do the trick (though I usually have a horrible next day).

Some of my friends say they've enjoyed them, but according to all LSD is much more euphoric; some would even venture to call it "fun", a word I've not heard when referring to the DOx group, DragonFLYs etc.

Summa summarum:

1) Acid is more potent than other such psychedelics, so getting surprisingly twisted off a single blotter is more likely to mean LSD than most other possible substances.

2) I have a general understanding from myself, my circle of friends and reading about that LSD is - for most people - quite euphoric, and those few that don't enjoy it and have tried a DOx have found those very unpleasant.


He might just call it "fiery acid" to get $.50 extra per hit, or it might just be good acid. Be happy if it is. But don't take any "just half a tab" crap. Unless it's carefully premeditated murder, nothing on one blotter will kill you. If you don't know that they aren't legit, test with one. In my experience, half a blotter - especially if it's not that strong to begin with - will leave you in a horrible kind of intrapsychedelic limbo, not quite sober but not tripping in any sense of the word. Kind of like the early onset symptoms of psychosis from sleep deprivation. The worst part is, if you had weak hits of acid to begin with, you'll have to test again - with a full blotter - to see which drug you got a minuscule dose of.
 
Batches of LSD shouldn't differ in euphoria or visuals that much qualitatively, but there is a slightly different feeling with high dosed (150-200 ug / blotter) that is very clean, compared to weak hits. If you eat a lot of weak hits that are not particularly clean, the impure taste and feeling can stack up. But with a single high quality blotter it can present no body load at all. The subsequent feelings of transparency and deep clarity could mean some difference in euphoria or visuals or other things.
When I tripped again a week ago, it was on high purity blotter. It gave such a completely natural feeling that I was reminded of mescaline, only mescaline is impossibly emotional IMO.

'Extra euphoria' or extra strength or something like that can be marketing ploys. Good 150-200 ug blotter may probably surprise you if you are not used to it so it wouldn't even be a total lie.

Let your friend ask his source or dealer about what's up with it and what compound it contains exactly. Maybe the source has tried them him/herself and can indicate if it takes multiple hours to comeup or only 20 minutes for example. Multiple hours indicates a DOX. Short comeup can mean LSD as well as NBOMe. Check if there is a taste and if it numbs the mouth. Numbing indicates NBOMe, bitter taste can also indicate DOX or NBOMe but there is LSD and LSB/LSP out there that tastes pretty gross, like soap. Check for hyperthermia and vasoconstriction in the extremeties. Both of these also point to something other than LSD.

Of course if the dosage advice was start with half, don't go above that. Maybe even try a quarter hit casually, to see where you end up.
 
Well, if the guy is saying a half hit will get you more twisted than a normal hit... that means the blotter would have to be like 250ug or greater if it was LSD.

I know there are probably 250ug+ LSD blotters floating around the world, but they are indeed quite rare and usually limited to close circles.

Some people would also consider DOC "more euphoric" than LSD, and possibly NBOMe's as well. Sounds like the dealer is trying to explain something that isn't LSD to me.

I've never noticed any difference between eating several hits of weaker LSD and a single hit of strong LSD... although I do experience some difference between batches, depending what kind of crystal it's laid with. YMMV.
 
Many compounds would fit on a blotter. If the freebase is liqud you can literally soak the paper in freebase amine oil, then frost it up in an atmosphere of HCl gas.
 
People have already given you all the information you need, in particular Solipsis' post pretty much sums up all the other answers in the thread.

That said, I know you said you don't want this to turn into an ID thread, but really that's all this is - a thread speculating about what the ID of the chemical on those blotters could be. While we can speculate, it's not going to help much, since there are various chemicals that could fit on blotter - it could be high potency LSD, it could be some research chemical, or it could even just be a regular dose of LSD and your dealer trying to get more money out of you.

If you're worried about the identity of the blotter and doubt the dealer's word if he says it's definitely LSD, then simply don't buy from them at all imo. Your gut feeling might be wrong but it's better not to take the risk and take something else when you don't know what it is.

Personally what I'd do is explain to the dealer that it sounded to you like some research chemical, and ask which one it is, explain that you want to know what you're taking, and I'm sure he won't have any problem telling you. :)

But, since this is really an ID thread, and you've gotten all the useful answers we can really give in your situation..

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