Opioids should i use cotton/cigarette filter or just a coldshot?

[tyler5]

i dont have any fancy filters and we dont have any place to get them here in this country, i dont think.
im an IV chipper (i know, its something youve only heard about like bigfoot) but its true, 95% of the time i smoke my 3mf (3methylfentanyl) but some rare times i IV it by mixing it with water in a spoon, sometimes adding a little heat if its not mixing very well and then i just shoot.
should i stay off ever adding heat and just keep on mixing till its ok or is it ok if im not shooting pills but dope (fentanyl in this case)?

 

[tricomb]

Is 3-MF really worth it to you? I've done it once and have no desire to repeat that experience, let alone IV it.

Do not IV 3-methylfentanyl. That's like a death wish, even if you've done it before. I don't know what is so appealing to people about the fentanyl compounds, I don't get any euphoria or desired effects, just feel debilitating sedation, respiratory depression, and makes me feel like I have a fever.

But in terms of injection technique: If you don't have access to micron filters, don't shoot up. If you must anyways, and are aware that the filtration is far inferior, use COLD water AND a compressed cotton filter (isopropyl your hands before handling any sterile equipment like the cotton).

Cigarette filters are terrible filters, but better than none I guess. Do not IV 3-MF, I repeat, do not proceed.

 

[pbuilder]

Just wondering, what form does this opiate come in?

From a quick search it is anywhere between 400-6000x more potent than morphine, so i'm wondering how on earth you would tit-rate a dose of such a potent opiate, especially for iv use. I'm assuming it comes in some sort of diluted liquid? If it's in pill form, that sounds incredibly dangerous because if the substance isn't equally fused throughout the pill, the tiniest spec of powder could probably be the difference between high, and ODing?

 

[tyler5]

it comes in a powder form, tan like afghan heroin i would say. doses a very small. you can get 28-35 'doses/stamps' from one GRAM. so one bundle is somewhere between 0.2-0.3. and i would guess that MOST of the powder is some kind of filler.
some times when smoking it off foil i get a sweet sense, i dont know, maybe its brown sugar.
so far i have just IV'd it cold, no filtration, except some cotton i dropped in the spoon. also didnt wash my hands prior.
i know this is not the best technique but i have so far IV'd 3 times and plan to do this twice more.
im already on 100mg of methadone a day so i wont be using the fentanyl any more. i just plan to smoke some when the 100mg doesnt hold me over for the whole 24hrs. but no more IVing. ive always smoked it (3+ years). just IVd 3 times yesterday. Ive IM'd before 4x times or so, like 2 months ago. this was with clean hands, sterile equipment but still no proper filter, just cotton.
btw, how do you get cotton fever?

and the reason i use 3mf is beause its THE ONLY opiate around in this city of mine. i know, its exclusive. check it out,
most addicts dead per X number of people in any European country by far.mentioned in many places that the people dealing with the deaths of IVing addicts will run out of control on Europe if russians decide to spread this shit to other places. so far its only used by 30-50k people. us Estonians (and Russians that live here), some Finns, some Swedes (but theres heroin in sweden and in finalnd too i think, there is NO heroin ANYWHERE in Estonia. even in the border town of Narva (on the border with Russia) there is 3mf. actually 3mf comes from Russia, the St Petersburg region where the scientists originally found it in 1978 or so in the local university.

 

[pbuilder]

Very interesting, i wonder why heroin or other opiates are such a rarity there, i thought fentanyl was a more complex opiate to synthesize/derive.

It sounds so incredibly dangerous to be doing an opiate that comes in a street cut powder, that is 400-6000x more potent than morphine. You do understand that if the powder has not been cut the correct way, that a single milligram, which is literally a few specs of powder, would be more than enough to kill you. I would not recommend IVing it, period. If you push down that plunger and happened to take a dose that was particularly potent, you're like just gonna pass out and stop breathing before you can do anything. At least with smoking you have, slightly more control over your high.

As it is though, it would be seemingly impossible to properly cut such a potent opiate, at least in powder form. You say you are getting 28-35 doses from a gram, which means you are taking doses of approximately 30mg.

If more than 2% of that tiny little bit of powder that is 30mg is actually 3methylfentanyl, you are taking a very very dangerous dose. I don't know what else to say, this just seems so dangerous, i'd really try to quit using because as it is you are playing a game of russian roulette.

 

[Znegative]

^This..

 

[Kid Amine]

tl;dr version: what tricomb and pbuilder wrote

So, if my math is correct, and wikipedia is correct on the 400-6000x morphine potency, a 50/50 racemic mixture of 3-MF would be 3200x as strong as morphine, and 40x stronger than Fentanyl. That's stronger than Etorphine. From wiki:

"Etorphine is often used to immobilize elephants and other large mammals."

Jesus. I can only conclude since the death rate isnt about 99% that it isnt 3-MF, but some weaker fentanyl or some other opiate. 100mcg would be equivalent to 320mg of morphine. Shit, if you're really getting 3-MF, someone really knows how to cut it. Until they fuck up and kill a ton of people....

 

[tricomb]

The 3-MF I've had was powder. Absolutely insane risk of OD. I can't believe I even tried it, but back then I was chainsmoking sandoz fent.

So glad I grew out of that bullshit. Fentanyl, nor any of it's analogues should never be used recreationally,

 

[tyler5]

i know for a fact it is 3-MF.
it has been revealed in the local newspapers many times that 3-MF is killing people like crazy and it has completely taken over the opiate scene which until '02 was heroin. since then, 100% 3-MF. and we have no meds and stuff to abuse, only 3-mf. so thats why people die very frequently and also because 99% of 3-mf users IV, only total beginners smoke and after a week or so most turn to IV. You can google on 3-MF(3-methylfentanyl) and Estonia.

 

[tricomb]

It's crazy you'd think they'd place more restrictions on it after its suspected use as chemical warfare in the Moscow movie theater hostage crisis

 

[tyler5]

lol what restrictions it is made in black market labs in the st. petersburg region just like the meth you guys smoke in the southwest 99% of time comes from Mexico

 

[80mg]

i dont have any fancy filters and we dont have any place to get them here in this country, i dont think.
im an IV chipper (i know, its something youve only heard about like bigfoot) but its true, 95% of the time i smoke my 3mf (3methylfentanyl) but some rare times i IV it by mixing it with water in a spoon, sometimes adding a little heat if its not mixing very well and then i just shoot.
should i stay off ever adding heat and just keep on mixing till its ok or is it ok if im not shooting pills but dope (fentanyl in this case)?

Honestly. Whoever is cutting tihs is SAVING YOUR LIFE lol...

Anyway. Even though your just a "chipper" you should just stop. I WAS a chipper. I was sobure 27 days out of them onth but IV'd 3. And I started having circulation problems particulary my legs. I IV'd some blues recently and my legs hurt again after being clean 12 days. So I decided to just end my love affair with the needle.

tl;dr version: what tricomb and pbuilder wrote

So, if my math is correct, and wikipedia is correct on the 400-6000x morphine potency, a 50/50 racemic mixture of 3-MF would be 3200x as strong as morphine, and 40x stronger than Fentanyl. That's stronger than Etorphine. From wiki:

"Etorphine is often used to immobilize elephants and other large mammals."

Jesus. I can only conclude since the death rate isnt about 99% that it isnt 3-MF, but some weaker fentanyl or some other opiate. 100mcg would be equivalent to 320mg of morphine. Shit, if you're really getting 3-MF, someone really knows how to cut it. Until they fuck up and kill a ton of people....

And the post was a PARAGRAPH long. A short one. REALLY?

 

[Fire&Water]

a STROKE is lurking, just around the corner...

 

[TheOneWhoSees]

You should be very careful with any fent derivatives; unlike most opioids they're easy to OD on even if you smoke them. Just stick to smoking if you can help it.

 

[tyler5]

so far ive been filtering the shot in a spoon with a regular cotton.
right now i dont have access to a cotton so should i just pour the fent into the syringe and shake it or should i put it on a spoon with water, stir it a bit and then draw it up and shoot.
is this totally condemned action here on BL or ...? i see guys shooting pills and doing other incredibly dumb shit and now im being totally picked on for using 3-mf (like i have a choice !?!?) while others here are doing shit thats potentially a LOT more harmful.

 

[80mg]

filter

 

[helium-4]

If you can't filter don't IV. Just because you don't have access to something, like say a cotton doesn't make it ok to IV.

Also no one is picking on you because your using 3-mf, people are trying to save your life, as you are playing a risky game. Ignorance, or no access to materials is no excuse for dangerous behavior. So either you can start taking peoples suggestions or you can keep pretending we are trying to pick on you, when we are trying to help you make better choices.

When people mention shooting pills, you will note after they say that, members ALWAYS say how dangerous it is, and how they need to use a micron filter (which can be ordered online). You are not the only one who is given suggestions to do things in a safer way

 

[tyler5]

i dont IV pills, i IV brown powder which has no chunks whatsoever. thats why im thinking i can IV this one time without filtering. i just dont have access to anything for a filter atm (or should i use a cigarette filter as a 'last resort' ?
many people here do coldshots meaning they dump their fentanyl into the syringe, shake it and inject. thats it. called a coldshot, i believe. and they are fine, even after 7-8 yrs of daily use.

 

[tricomb]

^ Seriously, I'm not trying to be a dick Tyler, I'm trying to give you advice because your life is at risk and it is my job to try to do whatever I can to help minimize the harm you are inflicting on yourself.

Never IV unfiltered, micron filters are the best, but if you cannot get them online for some reason, well, a compacted cotton is better than nothing but does not filter out the harmful particles smaller than 50um.

Cigarette filters suck as filters, IIRC particles of the cig filter will go into your solution too, and it is a terrible filter in general, but again, better than no filter.

That's so stupid that people backload fentanyl into their syringes and dont even filter. They are going to pay the consequences for not filtering one day. It takes longer than 7-8 years for the problems to happen, it's kind of like how you don't get cancer from cigarettes until much later in life.

 

[pbuilder]

I don't thinking shooting pills is anywhere near as stupid or dangerous as shooting street cut 3-mf powder. You said it yourself that tons of people are OD'ing from it. Are you suicidal? Because you seem fine that their is a rather high chance that every shot you do will be your last. If you are suicidal please seek help.