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Never Knows Best said:
Have you tried GHB/GBL (and friends)? I'd imagine that would be a high with which we could draw more parallels to pregablin (have not tried it) than opiates. Anyone have input on this?
Here's a song for y'all to enjoy
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Yes, I've tried both. GBL I've only tried twice, horrible stuff IME, paint remover. GHB I used very much about 10 years ago, almost every weekend. I loved GHB and would still take it but I can't since I'm addicted to clonazepam. It would be too dangerous to take GHB now. But pregabalin definitely feels like GHB, it's the closest I've ever come to GHB.

Edit: I'm on 2100 mg Lyrica now. Holy god it feels amazing. Like a mix of GHB and MDMA.

Edit2: This could be quite exotic for you, Finnish reggae: Jukka Poikka - Silkki

I usually don't listen to this kind of music but it matches my state of mind perfectly now. Give it a try :)
 
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^ Nice, I like the Finnish reggae man! :) I couldn't help myself, I took 4-AcO-DMT again today, so your reggae is extra bubbly and sparkly!
 
Cyanoide said:
Yes, I've tried both. GBL I've only tried twice, horrible stuff IME, paint remover. GHB I used very much about 10 years ago, almost every weekend. I loved GHB and would still take it but I can't since I'm addicted to clonazepam. It would be too dangerous to take GHB now. But pregabalin definitely feels like GHB, it's the closest I've ever come to GHB.
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I was too lazy to convert my GBL into GHB, prodrug that it is, is it really that different? It is like paint remover though, haha, once I had some on my fingers at it stripped the ink off a paper cup you get at fast food restaurants, like it was red to begin with and white where my fingers touched it hahaha. I know GBL hits harder/quicker, and is a bit more intoxicating, but other than that?
 
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Never Knows Best said:
Anyhow,
Theory of mine. When one is brimming full of energy (I don't mean that in a new age-y kind of way, I'm just using the word for lack of a better term) there are two major ways that this energy can be channeled:

1. By channeling it through conviction or positive emotions the energy is expressed as motivation and a sense of well being.

2. By channeling the energy through fear or negative emotions negative emotions it is expressed as anxiety and sense of disthymia.
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Nice! I like that! I dunno what disthymia means, though.

Anyway, that's life. Life = energy, it is expressed equally through positive and negative energy. Or maybe it is possible to sway the energy almost entirely toward the positive? That would be nice. Haha.


Man, this is wonderful. I can't believe I have gotten away with tripping on 4-AcO-DMT for four days straight, and today is absolutely the most lovely expression of this psychedelic state. What an amazingly kind and wise chemical, 4-AcO-DMT. I love how it makes you work for a good trip. You earn it, by really facing your fears and dealing with them.
 
^Euthymia is a normal reasonably positive good mood (not euphoria, not neutral) and disthymia is like that between normal and disphoria.

Maybe you said and I wasn't listening, but are you going for low, mid, or larger doses of 4-aco-dmt? I remember you saying you insufflated it on at least one occasion? (I prefer oral administration to nasal, IV with this one was fun though).
 
Another thought on the "energy" of life. Due its nature as a duality of negativity and positivity, it divides people into two primary camps. One is the type who finds the positivity more attractive than the negativity aversive, so he or she chooses to cultivate the energy and maximize it. This manifests as an acceptance of life, and a reverence for life. The other, is the type who finds the negativity more aversive than the positivity attractive, so he or she chooses to minimize the energy, which manifests in self-destructive tendencies.

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I dunno, the low / mid / high dose thing just doesn't make much sense to me. Or maybe I'm just tripping. I've been insufflating. Right now I'm on 20 mg insufflated, but that was staggered over ~1 hour. I'm really sensitive -- when I first tried it, 2 mg produced a definite psychedelic state, albeit subtle.
 
Never Knows Best said:
I was too lazy to convert my GBL into GHB, prodrug that it is, is it really that different? It is like paint remover though, haha, once I had some on my fingers at it stripped the ink off a paper cup you get at fast food restaurants, like it was red to begin with and white where my fingers touched it hahaha. I know GBL hits harder/quicker, and is a bit more intoxicating, but other than that?
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GHB is much smoother and more nice, it doesn't hit you like GBL, the comeup with GHB is slower but feels so nice. GBL makes you more intoxicated and confused, people behave differently on GBL. On GBL people behave like they are extremely drunk, GHB doesn't feel toxic, GBL has a very toxic feeling. GHB is soft and more laid-back, much more enjoyable. I really don't understand why people don't convert GBL to GHB, it's vey easy.

If you want a very intoxicated and "hard" high with much confusion, GBL is better. If you want a smooth, soft, warm, emphatic high, go for GHB. I love it.

GBL also produces more side effects, people vomit a lot, complain about pain in the stomach etc. And the line between feeling good and overdosing is very thin. GHB is much more forgiving.
 
^I see, I quite liked the intoxicated feeling (as you could probably guess from my drinking habit). I didn't find it to feel toxic at all, nor did mess with my motor coordination or behavior unless I redosed to soon. My dosage started at 1.5mL, and eventually worked up to taking 2.2mL at a time over four months, OD-ing doesn't seem to me too large a concern unless you weren't using a dosing method accurate to at least .1mL or if you redose (I carped out a few times, but only after I got home from my walks, since I used it only while walking to stop me from getting out of control with it, on occasions I redosed though I would sort of veer off into planters and stuff though).
 
tac said:
Another thought on the "energy" of life. Due its nature as a duality of negativity and positivity, it divides people into two primary camps. One is the type who finds the positivity more attractive than the negativity aversive, so he or she chooses to cultivate the energy and maximize it. This manifests as an acceptance of life, and a reverence for life. The other, is the type who finds the negativity more aversive than the positivity attractive, so he or she chooses to minimize the energy, which manifests in self-destructive tendencies.
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Yeah, this is totally vibing with what I was getting at.

D9 said:
Because our minds most certainly don't "exist". Nothing at all "exists"
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True the mind is no thing, but this sort of spiritual perspective isn't always useful, since TAC was speaking in more the organism-relevant perspective, utilitarian reality approximations. We can't deal with That Which IS in truth, since that can only be done holistically.
 
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Haha. I refuse to accept that, delta. We must be using two totally different definitions of the word "exist". :D


O.K., peace out all you beautiful peeps, I'm gonna go take a walk outside, and soak up some sun. :)
 
thenightwatch said:
thats a really big dose of lyrica

i love that shit though

too bad its so expensive
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Yes, I've never taken this much, I had some fears of seizures but I have constantly "monitored" my body and taken some clonazepam too. I'm very high but somehow I can manage this high quite good. But I wouldn't recommend this dose, I'm very experienced with Lyrica though. It has a very high safety profile as long as you don't combine it with anything that lowers the seizure threshold. But I have to admit I'm a bit surprised I've taken so much and can manage the high quite good. It's a monster dose, but I didn't take all at once. I'm fortunate to have lot's of it, I used 600 mg daily for a year but tapered down and stopped using it. However my psychiatrist didn't know I've quit it so I got lot's of it. I got it on prescription even when I've stopped using it. A little lying to my psychiatrist was necessary ;)

@ TAC, very nice that you found the magic in 4-AcO-DMT. It's truly a jewel. Enjoy your trip :)
 
Yes, I was speaking in the absolute sense not the relative sense. I was just having a bit of fun with him is all =D

@ TAC, very nice that you found the magic in 4-AcO-DMT. It's truly a jewel. Enjoy your trip
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Indeed. It's been a very long time since I've used any tryptamines(like 1.5yrs+), and even longer since I had this specific compound, but I found it thoroughly enjoyable :D
 
Never Knows Best said:
^I see, I quite liked the intoxicated feeling (as you could probably guess from my drinking habit). I didn't find it to feel toxic at all, nor did mess with my motor coordination or behavior unless I redosed to soon. My dosage started at 1.5mL, and eventually worked up to taking 2.2mL at a time over four months, OD-ing doesn't seem to me too large a concern unless you weren't using a dosing method accurate to at least .1mL or if you redose (I carped out a few times, but only after I got home from my walks, since I used it only while walking to stop me from getting out of control with it, on occasions I redosed though I would sort of veer off into planters and stuff though).
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If you do convert the GBL to GHB, I think you don't want GBL anymore. People who have used only GBL usually "convert" when they get to try GHB. But it's a matter of taste of course.

Edit: Everything is spinning, my monitor is spinnng, wherever I look everything is just spinning and spinning. I think I manage the high by writing here, I focus on something. If I would get up from the chair everything would just spin and I'd probably stumble around, walking into walls and falling around. The monster dose is really starting to show it's effects.
 
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