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Do you think Jesus would frown on psychedelic use?

Seriously though -- I don't think it makes any difference how many books you read. Truth is all that matters.
If that means you only have one book --

"Though a speech be a thousand words but made up of senseless words - one word of sense is better if,
when a person hears they become quiet." -- Dharmapeda, chap VIII
 
Well, if you believe in "god" and "jesus"... Then he had albert hoffman discover LSD, had him accidentally dose himself.... Ect Ect...

So no, no frowning, just believing and hoping that anyone who trips, realizes what life is, and what they need to do.
 
Well, if you believe in "god" and "jesus"... Then he had albert hoffman discover LSD, had him accidentally dose himself.... Ect Ect...
You don't have to believe this is you believe in god. It is possible to believe that god created the universe and simply sat back and did nothing further, allowing events to unfold as they do, with no vested interest in the outcome(s).
I forget what this belief is called but it's a topic familiar to those who have studied philosophy.
 
(http://www.hofmann.org/lsd/index.html)

Discovery of LSD
by John Beresford


Hofmann's discovery of the effect of LSD in Basel came 5 years after his original synthesis of the molecule in 1938. LSD-25, as it was called then, was synthesized and tried on animals. No interesting effects appeared, and the molecule was consigned to the "useless" heap. If it had stayed there, the state of today's world would be different.

By the end of November, 1942, scientists in an underground lab at the University of Chicago were ready to test the hypothesis that Enrico Fermi's method of slowing the emission of neutrons from a pile of uranium was safe. They could produce a chain reaction that would not gallop out of control and set the world on fire, they reckoned. On December 2 the instruments to measure the reaction were in place. The pile went active.

A cheer went up. Leo Szilard, one of the physicists present, had gone out that morning and bought a bottle of wine and some paper cups in case the experiment succeeded. When it did, and it was time to celebrate, Szilard offered a toast. "This will go down as a black day in the history of mankind," he said.

130 days later, or 131 or 132 - Hofmann is not sure - the chemist in the old Sandoz lab (since demolished - see photo) had what he called a "Vorgefühl." The usual English word for this is "presentiment," but the German word suggests something stronger than the laid-back "presentiment." Something was telling Hofmann to retrace his steps and perform a new synthesis of the discarded molecule, LSD-25. It had to be that molecule and not one of the others consigned to the "useless" pile.

(The first photo below shows the equipment Hofmann used.) The second synthesis was completed on April 16. Accidentally, Hofmann breathed in or swallowed some of the material, and had the merit to realize, when its effect came upon him, that something of momentous significance had happened. He assumed LSD was the cause, and waited until the next working day, a Monday, to try again. The assumption proved right, and a new chapter of history opened.

Soon, the directors of Sandoz Pharmaceuticals were trying LSD, and a research project under W.A. Stoll, psychiatrist and nephew of one of the Sandoz directors, took shape. Those must have been exciting days. More than 40 subjects, the majority busy, working people, participated.

Hofmann does not remember what he was doing when the "presentiment" came over him. He won't say if it came in a dream, or if he was in a state of unusual lucidity. One is free to speculate that the "instruction" to re-synthesize LSD came from a spiritual power which intervenes in the affairs of man to restore order when the danger of disorder has become too great. The reckless act of science in Chicago in December, 1942 was remedied in Basel four months later, with Albert Hofmann chosen as the instrument to perform the cure.
 
You don't have to believe this is you believe in god. It is possible to believe that god created the universe and simply sat back and did nothing further, allowing events to unfold as they do, with no vested interest in the outcome(s).
I forget what this belief is called but it's a topic familiar to those who have studied philosophy.
I was too lazy to go in depth with my post so I just said "If you believe in god", guess I should have said, Christianity.
 
Why the fuck is this thread still in PD, it should have been moved to spirituality and philosophy months ago, this is a place to discuss and explore the psychedelic experience isn't it ? not to have hypothetical stabs in the dark at what people do or don't think about a character from a fairy story.
 
Seriously though -- I don't think it makes any difference how many books you read. Truth is all that matters.
If that means you only have one book --

"Though a speech be a thousand words but made up of senseless words - one word of sense is better if,
when a person hears they become quiet." -- Dharmapeda, chap VIII

I agree, I can only experience literature so much.

"who ever has ears to hear the infinite,
let him hear."
- Jesus Christ
 
Um... Jesus wandered in the desert for 40 days and 40 nights, and talked to a burning bush.

No, God appeared unto Moses as the burning bush, which is a great scene. Starts with Exodus 3:1. I mean, we had this line in it (which PDers gotta appreciate, I would think):

Exodus 3:14 said:
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Foreigner said:
I think it's safe to say that he was no stranger to psychedelics. No one in that barbaric era gained enlightenment entirely on their own

I'm not seeing it being necessary at all. Fasting and other practices can help invoke mystic experiences (though sometimes they need no impetus). I'm not saying that he didn't, just that psychedelics users have difficulty appreciating spiritual revelation not invoked by drug intake (a difficulty these others have in turn towards us psych folk) and therefore jump to conclusions about these things with little regard for evidence.
 
^Agreed entirely, and I'm quite glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.
I was too lazy to go in depth with my post so I just said "If you believe in god", guess I should have said, Christianity
I see. My apologies then :)

Foreigner said:
No one in that barbaric era gained enlightenment entirely on their own
I see no reason whatsoever to believe this.
I'm glad you quoted this fellow NKB. I have a tendency to not read the past pages and I would have missed this entirely. Thanks :D
And as far as I know, the practice of what is known as "barbarism" what not very common at this place & time. Although I'm certainly no expert on this particular period in history.
 
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I think Foreigner is in agreeance with the threads subject, and insinuating that psychedelics are not the only way to attain Christ or cosmic consciousness. The Spirit resides inside, yes, but predicting when and what will arise that with in you as an individual is so far, part the great mystery. ;)

Psychs had nothing to do with my 'awakening', but once awoken any message became that much more clear, although, along with that clarity the realization of the continued use external influences became almost entirely redundant.

<3
 
biffhenderson said this in the thread "enter the void dmt scene":
It's not the void, it's the other side. It's a glimpse of what you will see when you die. Or it's just hallucinations from a drug and nothing more. Your choice which you want to believe.

I know of someone who od'd on heroin (now dead). He said that the near death experience was just like real strong DMT and wondered if that was possible.

"I am no more than one who gives warning and good news to believers." -- Mohammed
 
^yeah there have been times while I have been flopping around on the floor oding on cocaine, and with Salvia or DMT that I experienced what was later revealed to me to be the Merkabah. The Merkabah is described as visualized and experienced the same as what I did, and many others here have, often also unwittingly, the same in many cultures all through out history.

After this has been experienced a familiarization, or perhaps a re-acquaintance is developed, the consciousness and ego is less resistant allowing for this natural part of life to occur more readily. Breaking the habit or not being amazed that this can and does happen w/o an aid is tricky, though, but does eventually happen with the awareness made.

:)
 
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