No benzo tolerance but no effect on 9mg klonopin, input?

[SPC123]

Tommyboy understood me perfectly. I am surprised someone with as much benzo experience as yourself would put Valium over Xanax in terms of strength (at equipotent doses obviously). I like Valium, a lot, so don't get me wrong here. I also don't particularly like Xanax. But I bet you dollars to donuts if a poll were put up asking people which is the hardest hitting benzo, Xanax would absolutely dominate, with Klonopin coming second. I'd wager Valium'd take last place of the common benzos.

I certainly won't dispute your subjective opinion, but I would point out that lately it seems your opinion is certainly in the minority, which means a better chance than naught a random person would not share your experience.

 

[kokaino]

I have found diazepam to be more "hypnotic" or sedative than alprazolam in all my experiences. I actually feel diazepam when I take it, while alprazolam I don't really feel all that much. I like alprazolam for what it does - great anti-anxiety effects. I have been on it for over 5 years now and I take 1 mg 3x/day and I function completely normal. I have no anxiety, but I'm not sedated at all either. When I take more than prescribed I feel a bit of relaxation but nothing like diazepam. I bet you some will find that clonazepam "hits the hardest", yet others will find lorazepam does. It is all based on personal experience (and personal biases). Alprazolam would win the poll simply because more people have done alprazolam. It is the most commonly prescribed benzo in this country by far. It's unbelievable how many billions of pills are prescribed each year in the U.S.

 

[SPC123]

Xanax is actually not easily prescribed in Canada at all. It used to be lorazepam was front line. Now they've moved to clonazepam (thank god). I like Valium a lot, as I said. I find the muscle relaxant properties of diazepam to be better than cyclobenzaprine. Add to that the hypnotic effects and it's very close to clonazepam as my number one choice. The only real downside is the Valium "hangover" is worse, IMO. I would take diazepam and clonazepam over alprazolam any day. But I know most wouldn't.

 

[kokaino]

Oh you're in Canada, okay. Alprazolam is still among the top 4 up there too, just not #1 most prescribed? I would choose Diazepam over alprazolam as a recreational drug, but alprazolam would probably come in second. Clonazepam is alright too. I live in Detroit which is right across the border from Windsor and I used to go there a lot (especially back when I was under 21). I know a few people from Windsor. Without them I would've never had a chance to try bromazepam and nitrazepam. We don't have those in the US. Now I regularly get nitrazepam from a Canadian friend.

 

[SPC123]

I honestly don't know the benzo breakdown in Canada by percentage. There isn't a whole lot of data on it, and when you try and Google you end up with some many results for online pharmacies that it's daunting. I could log into the university libraries online archives and search the journals, but I don't care enough. I know from experience that Ativan is the big one. In hospital if you asked for a sedative that's what you got. More recently I spoke to a psychiatric nurse and told her I was taking clonazepam, and she told me that clonazepam had recently replaced lorazepam as their recommended front line benzo. My own GP was willing to prescribe me pretty much whatever I asked for as long as I could make a case, and it took a LOT of convincing to get him to give me Xanax. He'd scrip me 60 clonazepam over 30 days with 6 refills, and throw in some lorazepam on top of that, and even some diazepam if my back was acting up, but I basically had to beg for Xanax and tell him I just wanted to try it in comparison to the other benzos I had taken. He finally gave in and scrip'd me 30 x 0.25mg. This from the same doc who scrip'd me 4 x Oxycontin 80 + 4 x Oxy IR 20 per day for 3 weeks following day surgery. So I took that as a pretty good indication that Xanax was far from the front line in Canada, although it does say on Wiki that it is among the most abused in Canada (along with lorazepam, diazepam and clonazepam).

 

[kokaino]

I honestly don't know the benzo breakdown in Canada by percentage. There isn't a whole lot of data on it, and when you try and Google you end up with some many results for online pharmacies that it's daunting. I could log into the university libraries online archives and search the journals, but I don't care enough. I know from experience that Ativan is the big one. In hospital if you asked for a sedative that's what you got. More recently I spoke to a psychiatric nurse and told her I was taking clonazepam, and she told me that clonazepam had recently replaced lorazepam as their recommended front line benzo. My own GP was willing to prescribe me pretty much whatever I asked for as long as I could make a case, and it took a LOT of convincing to get him to give me Xanax. He'd scrip me 60 clonazepam over 30 days with 6 refills, and throw in some lorazepam on top of that, and even some diazepam if my back was acting up, but I basically had to beg for Xanax and tell him I just wanted to try it in comparison to the other benzos I had taken. He finally gave in and scrip'd me 30 x 0.25mg. This from the same doc who scrip'd me 4 x Oxycontin 80 + 4 x Oxy IR 20 per day for 3 weeks following day surgery. So I took that as a pretty good indication that Xanax was far from the front line in Canada, although it does say on Wiki that it is among the most abused in Canada (along with lorazepam, diazepam and clonazepam).

I guess it could depend on what province you're in, or even what city you're in. I know my friends in Windsor are very familiar with Xanax and they regularly talk about taking it which gives the impression that alprazolam is very common in Windsor, at least. Nitrazepam, clonazepam, oxazepam, and lorazepam are very common too according to my Canadian friends and from personal observation. I'm kind of on a quest to try every benzo possible, so I always try to see what you guys have in Canada that we don't have in the US and I'm always asking about benzos. Like in Michigan, I don't think alprazolam holds the #1 spot for most prescribed. I think lorazepam holds that title because I see diverted lorazepam more often than I see alprazolam. Alprazolam would probably be 2nd, that's my guess anyway. Clonazepam next and then diazepam and oxazepam. In most other states alprazolam is #1 (not all states, but most).

 

[SPC123]

I would guess from my own observations that where I live it would go lorazepam, clonazepam, diazepam and then alprazolam. Although as I said, the recommendation was recently changed to replace lorazepam with clonazepam as the front line. Also I know clonazepam is prescribed for the treatment of RLS, so that has to bump the numbers some I'd guess. I don't do illicit drugs (I get scrips for everything, or maybe the odd trade in kind) but the dealers I do know, around here anyhow, tend to just call everything Valium. They are a pro-stim bunch, very much against opiates (most won't even deal with them because as I was told, 1: the addicts are too annoying calling and knocking on your door at all hours; 2: They are too destructive) and so they are more interested in benzos as an aid to come down, and not for any abuse potential.

 

[c0nzor]

Thanks for the avid replies people really! I was looking for relief of anxiety but it just wasn't happening, like an extended panic attack. One thing I failed to mention was I am also prescribed 10mg adderall twice a day, I also rely on the clonazepam for sleep as I go 5 days without sleep sometimes. I have a healthy respect for benzos (alprazolam and diazepam in particular) and was just astonished at my complete lack of tranquility from a moderate to high dose of a tranquilizer.

I seem to have fired up quite a debate though. On the off-thread topic I would have to class alprazolam as the only benzo with even a weak claim to the title of euphoric. Also as stated in the first post I have no history of any benzo binge by any standards and no other cross tolerance although adderall probably is an agent of my demise cloaked as a friendly pick-me-up it would seem.

 

[Swain]

How much clonazepam do you take daily for sleep? Also, how frequently do you dose? If I use like once a month for instance, or maybe 1 weekend a month, I get great results with benzos. My 1st dose of the month nearly being even a little euphoric.. but i've noticed that after 3 days of use the effects have diminished considerably. Espeically if I am taking large doses.

Benzo tolerance is really weird too.. ever since I became physically dependent on 4-6mg alprazolam, I feel like my tolerance is like permanent. It does drop when i abstain from use, but like I said, it only takes 2 or 3 days for me to be back at my old tolerance. I actually really like benzos when I use them very rarely..anything more than that I try to avoid because considering what you get out of benzos, they are not NEARLY worth the pain they cause with withdrawals/dependency.

For a drug wtih lacking euphoria and the qualities that make up a good high (IMO), it carries some pretty serious reprocussions. When I detoxed the 1st time from what I considered a pretty hefty benzo haabit, atleast compared to anything I'd experienced in the past, it seriously blew my mind. The withdrawals from occasional recreational use, which turned into about 3 months straight of 4-6mg alprazolam daily, mind-blowing to be simply put. I've been a dope addict for a while, and my benzo detox after just a few months blew even the worst experiences I have had detoxign from opiates otu of the water. It is a whole different ball park.. hell its a different planet. Opiate detox has never hospitalized me or came close to doing so. Benzo detox, it just kept getting worse and worse I began to fear a grand mal.. and I live alone, the rebound anxiety alone is enough to hospitalize me lol. It is like opiate detox-the world closing in on you multipled by 100. I have never been suicidal even during detoxes, until I met benzo detox. I actually understood why someone would want to end it all.. it's sad..I realized how easy it could be for someone to make the decision to kill themselves when really it is the drugs talking.. the horrible imbalance. It all just seems to painfully real mentally and physically while it is happening.

Whatever it is that GABA has to do with your overall well being.. its somethign major lol. That shit is no joke. I told ym self id neve ruse benzos again.. but I have found my self partaking mainly to help otu with opiate detox. Now if I use for any more than 3 days (I am talking 4-8mg daily alpraz) I will have some withdrawals. My withdrawals from 7 days at that level were shocking.. it was a trip down memory lane.. actually more intense than my previos detox from a few months use, but MUCH shorter duration. It was only 36-48 hours of hell but it just surprised me how quickly it all comes back.

I get 30x 30mg temazepam from my bupe doctor monthly. Now that is ALL I do. I don't fuck with xanax bars anymore because I end up eating them like candy. It was dumb for me to ever start taking big doses.. if I wasnt a compulsive drug addled mother fucker with half a brian I would have stuck with like .25 and .5 doses but nooo I need to get that same high every time.

If ther eis one thing I have learned, the golden rule, which I have found universal with all drugs, DO NOT INCREASE YOUR DOSE. If your current dose no longer is working like it used to, you need to abstain from use. This can make a huge fucking difference.. Instead of a few bags of dope getting you through teh day its so easy to mutliply that by tenfold if your not careful..and you end up getting the same high.

 

[Pjkt2501]

Maybe you just over did it? Sometimes I find that less is more. I have found that to be true with both benzos and opioids.

This; if your expectations are too high, or too specific when going in as a newbie to that chemical, its effects can be hard to notice. For a while 10mg of clonazepam would calm me down, now that I've learned its ways, I need about 1/2 that to do what I wish (recreationally) with a low tolerance. 10mg is blackout range...

Many ideas have been discussed in this thread, but an internet diagnosis is as effective as a flyswatter in a knife fight. Talk to your doctor.

Closed, PM me with any questions.