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having a stroke is like breaking through?

Interesting. Sounds like her experience closely resembles what we refer to as "ego loss".
 
^ Can you give a little more detail about how that happened? What drugs were you on, at what dosages, how old were you, did you have any preexisting circulatory conditions, etc.?
 
I didn't watch that video...but I won't go into the details, but I had a stroke once while i was tripping, and it was terrifying. Nothing like breaking through. More like, uh oh, am I dying. Then half my face hung low for 2 years.

fuckin hell man soz to hear that. Was you on anything else at the time?
 
I didn't watch that video...but I won't go into the details, but I had a stroke once while i was tripping, and it was terrifying. Nothing like breaking through. More like, uh oh, am I dying. Then half my face hung low for 2 years.

Trip report please? Wow that sounds amazingly interesting, you've got everyone so intrigued.
I'm sorry you had to go through that, but you'd benefit many many people by writing up a report.
 
very interesting story in the video... the experience reminds me a lot of what a lot of dissasociate users experience at higher doses...

but even more than that, it seems intricately connected with the views concerning meditation/nirvana/ the oneness of everrything.

whats also fascinating is the recovery from such a trauma... our brains truly are amazing
 
There may be a similarity in the bell it rings, but there are significant differences between the two I think. Breaking through as you call it seems to resemble the ego death or ego dissolution phenomenon which is more like a pervasive episode that removes the 'me' from the equation. Putting the experience of time, space and memory completely in perspective will do that to you. Severe disruption of these systems working together can do that.
Having a stroke or TIA is more localized in the brain but it can still disrupt a similar coherence I think. Still, it seems to be more specific and serious and irrecoverable until there is proper treatment like operating on a blood clot.
 
Hhmm. Well, this was a couple of years ago so a great deal of it’s a blur, and I’m not sure about all of the time frames and dosages. But I was young and in good health at college.

This was the first week after I had tried 2-CE for the first time. I didn’t know anything about it when I tried it, and my ego was in bad shape afterwards. It started with a several day binge using benzos and amphetamines, with no sleep. Somewhere into the second or third night I took DXM (smoking weed throughout). At this point everything was fine, but I was given a prescription MAOI by a friend. I’m not sure of the exact pill, but after this, the experience became much more intense. By now it was into the last day, and after some bowls I was given a seroquel by someone else. Again, I knew nothing about seroquel, but I was under the impression that it was an anti-psychotic, so if anything it would calm everything down. After taking it, I was much higher. I remember collapsing backwards and watching everything move through this circular undulating pattern of melting into itself and then reforming.

Finally, some friends and I decided to go out, and had a handful of HBWR seeds each. I’m not sure of the amount, but it was only a moderate dosage at most. As they kicked in, I was tripping much harder than I should have been. Everyone else was barely feeling the amount, and this wasn’t the first time for any of us using LSA. After getting back at the end of the night and sharing a joint, at a certain point, I felt something snap on the side of my head. Right away my body went limp and my entire vision saturated yellow and blue as I watched the room fill with waves of multicolored water as I was thrown back and forth. I remember yelling something like, “I’m dying,” and then collapsing forward. Everything turned into a giant fiery eye, if you can imagine something along the lines of the giant eye in the lord of the rings movies. Both me and everything around me started being sucked into this image by a giant wind, similar to the coming up of a saliva trip, only inwards. This eye was screeching at me, and I can still vividly remember the sound of a high pitched scream, and at the same time as a growl several octaves under it. I spent the next hour or so spinning in and out of consciousness. No ambulances were called because of the drugs involved. At a certain point, I just accepted I was dead and passed out. I woke up the next day, and had one of those, wow I’m alive sort of moments.

Anyway, I tried to make sense out of what happened for awhile. I thought that maybe I just had a panic attack, but at the same time, there was very apparent damage done. I basically took this as a message to be more careful. This was one of the first of several incidents that eventually led to me ending a long-term benzo addiction. This was also the first of several experiences that caused me to be interested in harm reduction, and to use drugs for meditation and insight and not only recreation. Any advice I can give would be that just because a certain drug may not seem very intense, or the dosage may be low, in the wrong combination, things can become very dangerous. Peace.

jesus! talk about f*cking ass hole friends, the absolute least they coulda done was carried you out to the nearest pay phone and called an ambulance from it, and watched from afar until they came. You are so lucky to be alive, i can't imagine that, having a stroke and having your friends just leave you to die, not even calling an ambulance at least.
 
I wouldn't be surprised.. interesting video. On a similar note.. a panic attack i had a couple of days ago strongly resembled a feeling of dissolution of self, the onset was very quick and random which scared the hell out of me. But there was an intense feeling of going into tunnel vision and breaking away from reality.
 
No, I don't think a stroke has any similarities to the psychedelic experience whatsoever. The psychedelic experience is wildly euphoric and enjoyable, I've never heard a single person ever say they enjoyed a stroke.
 
No, I don't think a stroke has any similarities to the psychedelic experience whatsoever. The psychedelic experience is wildly euphoric and enjoyable, I've never heard a single person ever say they enjoyed a stroke.

Whether a psychedelic experience is typically euphoric or not is besides the point. We are not looking for the differences, they are abundant for in the case of a stroke there is something seriously broken physically and locally while psychedelics act centrally though pervasively and disrupt but don't break the coherence of consciousness, the sense of self and other such functions.

That doesn't mean the damage of a stroke cannot cause enough disruption to lose a sense of self in some kind of way. And furthermore, many breakthrough experiences with psychedelics where the sense of self is lost can be quite difficult and harsh since we are so attached to our selves. While experiencing brain trauma is probably always different enough from a trip, again: the losing oneself aspect can be a common ground and just watching that TED video (I have watched it multiple times over the years) shows how profound it was for her, even if it was jarring.

Don't be so quick to dismiss these things especially using a weak logical argument.
 
No, I don't think a stroke has any similarities to the psychedelic experience whatsoever. The psychedelic experience is wildly euphoric and enjoyable, I've never heard a single person ever say they enjoyed a stroke.

^This.^

I know people who have had strokes and they said it was terrifying.
 
That doesn't mean the damage of a stroke cannot cause enough disruption to lose a sense of self in some kind of way.

I'm not sure losing a sense of self is necessarily a feature of the psychedelic experience tho. I feel more alive and more myself while high on mushrooms than at any other time in life.

Perhaps a very, very small percentage of people who experience a terrifying loss of self could see some similarities to a stroke but I think the vast majority would find the idea ludicrous. Being punched on the jaw can make you lose your sense of self too but I wouldn't compare that to a psychedelic trip either.
 
Not even gonna read that shite. I now a right few people who have had strokes and they're basically fucked
 
I agree with Ismene on this one and I think it sums it up perfectly without even needing to go into the finer details, I think people are hoping a bit too much rather than actually considering what they are writing. It's fairly bad taste comparing the two in my opinion, there may be similar 'sensations' but they are not 'like' one another beyond that. Unless I'm completely missing something with my lack of brain knowledge this seems like a very simple answer.
 
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