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wow... crazy first Unknown substance experience... never ever ever using it again.

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I think you simply need to reassess your lifestyle. The fact that you enjoy what I call "flat" drugs, or simply put drugs that offer nearly zero possibility of self improvement or valuable experience (coke, opiates, alcohol, etc.), mind closing rather than mind opening substances.

MDMA, weed, psychedelics, all tell try to tell you something or at least better you (if used correctly), everyone has there bad trips, but if you can't deal with that ego trip or new perspective, it means you are afraid of something.

Take a break from drugs, and try to take it easy on the ones that simply and dully "make you feel good".
 
pbuilder said:
Still feeling weird 24 hours later though, most likely was piperzine.
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It could be a piperazine, it could be a bad comedown from a combo of drugs your body didn't like. I recommend testing your pills next time. Reagent tests are fairly cheap, I believe you can get marquis reagent tests off Amazon.com for about $15 or you can get a bottle with ~50 tests from Dancesafe.org. All perfectly legal in the US

won't make such bad choices next time, don't appreciate being called a retard or whatever by the guy up there. My judgement was skewed, everyone makes mistakes.

Taking a break from drugs for a while to let my mind recuperate
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It's ok man, everyone makes mistakes. What's important is learning from them, and not repeating them :)

Good idea abstaining from drugs for awhile. Always a good idea to let your brain recuperate :)
 
What is the difference between a clean and dirty pill? At the risk of sounding stupid. I had some blue pills that had spots. My "friends" said they would be great!!! Yeah 3 days later I was 20 something pills deep and forgot to eat and drink. I was rushed to the ER. I woke up in a cardiac unit of a large hospital. I was seizing and having musle spazums for 3 days not to mention hallucinating. I had to be retaught how to walk again. I have short term memory loose and permanent damage to a musle in my back. Now please some on explain this to me? I was under the impression dirty was a good thing? All they would tell is I tested positive for heroine and meth. I have never done either of those drugs in my life. And just so We're clear I'm 27. I hadnt done E in years. What do they put in it now and why is that fun???
 
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Yeah 3 days later I was 20 something pills deep and forgot to eat and drink.
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There's your problem right there. Taking pure mdma for that long and not eating and drinking will land most people in ER.

You really should wait at least 30 days before using mdma, its a necessity. With that being said, think how damaging 3 days of dosing really is?
 
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What is the difference between a clean and dirty pill? At the risk of sounding stupid. I had some blue pills that had spots. My "friends" said they would be great!!! Yeah 3 days later I was 20 something pills deep and forgot to eat and drink. I was rushed to the ER. I woke up in a cardiac unit of a large hospital. I was seizing and having musle spazums for 3 days not to mention hallucinating. I had to be retaught how to walk again. I have short term memory loose and permanent damage to a musle in my back. Now please some on explain this to me? I was under the impression dirty was a good thing? All they would tell is I tested positive for heroine and meth. I have never done either of those drugs in my life. And just so We're clear I'm 27. I hadnt done E in years. What do they put in it now and why is that fun???
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Man that is crazy you tested positive for heroin! Was it a urine test, or blood plasma? MDMA shows up as methamphetamine in a urine test, but not in blood.

Does sound like you got some dirty ass pills. I wonder what kind of other half-ass synthesized crap the tests don't detect may have been in your pills.

I strongly recommend testing your pills before consuming.

Also, Sam is right on target with the analysis of your usage. It was far too excessive even for "clean" MDMA. Not eating/drinking/sleeping will also fuck you up too.

It sounds like a combination of excessive use, dirty pills, and lack of self-maintenance (eating/drinking/sleeping)
 
Sn0wday said:
I think you simply need to reassess your lifestyle. The fact that you enjoy what I call "flat" drugs, or simply put drugs that offer nearly zero possibility of self improvement or valuable experience (coke, opiates, alcohol, etc.), mind closing rather than mind opening substances.

MDMA, weed, psychedelics, all tell try to tell you something or at least better you (if used correctly), everyone has there bad trips, but if you can't deal with that ego trip or new perspective, it means you are afraid of something.

Take a break from drugs, and try to take it easy on the ones that simply and dully "make you feel good".
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Oh give me a break. Don't be a drug snob man, I hate opiates, coke and stimulants and only do psychs, weed and MDMA but just because I enjoy these things, doesn't mean other people have to.
If this guy wants to chase these "flat" highs as you put it, that's his decision and business, just like it's my decision (and it seems to be yours also) to stay the hell away from them.
 
^ Or a life threatening situation, depending on how you look at it. :/

& sammie sounds like you got some meth pills and went a bit nuts on them. 3 days without eating or sleeping is gonna fuck anybody up, high or not.

Also the difference between clean & dirty pills should be pretty obvious, dirty ones are contaminated/adulterated whilst clean ones are well....clean..lol.
 
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There's been a handful of opiate pills lab tested. Not many, but a few. Very, very rare. Meth = Speed. If you look at ecstasydata.org, the only kind of speed that tends to be found IS methamphetamine.
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Don't worry, I know, I know.
My point was simply that it's irresponsible to say you will either get Pipes or MDMA if you buys pills on a HR site, as this is completely inaccurate.
I deleted the post anyway. Decided it was probably unnecessary and dickish.

Just test your pills I guess.
 
^it's cool, i went ahead an unquoted. left the links for reference to the next person who posts "there's no such thing as opiate pills". I found about 7 that were lab tested in about 10 years, so it's pretty damn rare but not impossible. I think it's strange Sammie1985 tested for heroin even though all they had been doing is taking unknown pills.
 
The subjective effects of MDEA are very similar to those of MDMA. However, the euphoric and "loved up" feelings associated with MDMA are not as pronounced in comparison. The effects of MDEA are also not as stimulating as MDMA, as it is said to be somewhat stoning in high doses and may be responsible for rumors of heroin-laced MDMA tablets.
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From wikipedia.

I thought heroin in ecstasy tablets was a myth?
 
99.8+% I'd say opiate/heroin pills are just an urban legend. Clean MDMA has a heroin-like euphoria feeling that people often assume pills that are not cut with speed or meth have heroin. Only reason I say it's possible is because Sammie said he tested positive for meth and heroin after taking 20 pills in 3 days. I gave my explanation.. Out of ~2500 pills lab tested in 12 years, 7 came back with opiates.

It wouldn't make business sense for a dealer to make heroin pills because so much is wasted when taken orally and you need a fat oral dose to produce effects. Otherwise they are basically wasting heroin (& $)
 
pbuilder, this has been a useful lesson for you and others reading this. without testing, you have no idea what is in a pill and taking an unknown substance files in the face of bluelight's entire mission. the great thing about your post is that you were not harmed and you've learned a valuable lesson for next time.

aside, nobody can tell you with any degree of certainty - and certainly not 100% - what was in a pill based on something a dealer/friend/whoever said about it. again, testing is the only reliable method of identifying a pill's contents.

alasdair
 
okay so looking back I feel like I can explain the trip better.

Started the night with a 3 beers, 5mg oxy, and then a few lines of coke, had a nice buzz going. Just a happy, drunken type of euphoric buzz. Got to place I was going and then popped about 10mg more oxy, a shot or two and a beer or two more, and then some more lines.

Still the same type of nice drunken, euphoria kinda buzz. When things went weird was after i stupidly decided to pop the mdma.

I went from a drunken euphoria buzz to a disassociate, black out kinda high. During this time the people I was with had taken the bus to another persons house, i very vaguely remember this trip. Similar to weed, which I hate, feeling like i'm in some weird dream and after I finished my coke about two hours after popping, I had severe paranoia and anxiety hit me, which is not my usual coke comedown. I'd only done about a half gram. But after the coke was gone I still with the same dissassociative buzz, even worse though. So long story short, it musta been a bunk pill that wasn't mdma, at least not pure.

Even a few days later I'm feeling "depersonalization", leading me to believe some sort of psychedlic or dissassociave drug was in the pill, maybe piperazine, maybe dxm i don't know.

read up on it here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depersonalization

like i said, if i try mdma again it will be from a reliable source that i've been friends with for years, and i'll get a tester kit to, instead of from a random person.

Definitely ruined my night though, had I not popped that "mdma" i woulda had a great night cause that combo alcohol (not to much), + a bit of oxy, and coke always goes together really well for me. Leaves me confident as heck with an incredibly happy buzz going.

lesson learned, thread can be closed now.
 
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im not blaming mdma, im blaming a) a stupid decision while intoxicated, and b) likely bunk mdma that was actually cut with god knows what.
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Fuk man i cant even explain it but all i can say it, never ever ever again am i touching mdma. EVER
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Came across as you slating MDMA, but you didnt even experience it. By using MDMA in combination with other drugs you're changing the very basis of the experience. If you arent prepared to accept those changes you need to stop doing it with other, numerous drugs...
 
Isn't oxys a downer and coke and mdma are uppers so wouldn't that b speedballing which is extremely dangerous.
 
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