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Smoking bush (not hydro). Less chance of psychosis?

jobe28

jobe28

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Do you think that if I was to smoke bush only there would be less chance of developing psychosis?

I'm asking this because I got diagnosed with psychosis last year from smoking weed but it was hydro, so I'm wondering if the difference in strength would change much.

I'm not that keen to smoke again if it means fucking with my 'mental health' or whatnot. I'm also not really that interested in smoking right now at all anyway, it's just more of a hypothetical.
 
Seeing as it's the same drug with the same effects profile - yes. you are still at risk.

Though it would be reduced with less potent weed - though you could just put less of the potent stuff in. Personally I wouldn't risk it, not for a weed high.
 
My friend has been dealing with schizophrenia for years after he abused EVERYTHING ! When we went to Amsterdam he was able to cope with bush and traditional hash without blowing his mind. Although everyone is different, be careful bro.
 
Given that it's THC that seems to produce the short-term psychotic effects in studies, it's likely to blame for any long term ones if there really is such a link. Going on that, if you're worried, for example if your family have a history of mental illness - then I'd suggest switching to lower THC Indica-dominant strains, rather than just going for lower quality weed.
 
If you've got psychosis then smoking weed isn't the best idea. It's a bit of an odd thing to compare hydroponically grown weed to outdoor grown weed. In fact I know of plenty of people that grow hydroponically outdoors.
 
Jesusgreen said:
Given that it's THC that seems to produce the short-term psychotic effects in studies, it's likely to blame for any long term ones if there really is such a link. Going on that, if you're worried, for example if your family have a history of mental illness - then I'd suggest switching to lower THC Indica-dominant strains, rather than just going for lower quality weed.
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True that makes sense.

Is there much way to tell if it's indica without actually smoking it?
 
jobe28 said:
True that makes sense.

Is there much way to tell if it's indica without actually smoking it?
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Look for shorter, squatter buds, with dark green to purple coloring instead of the long, trim, light green buds that many sativas produce. Good luck dude indicas are the way to go :D
 
People think cannabis is a 'danger' to mental health. Now 'danger' is a relative term I'm sure we would all agree. To some, crossing the road or driving down the road is a 'dangerous' activity. However to others, they would consider this relatively benign and only label activities such as skydiving or formula one racing as 'dangerous'. So, in order to understand just how dangerous cannabis is, you need to get it into perspective by comparing it to the relative harms of other drugs, or other activities. Now I've explained why I'm going to mention the relative harms of other drugs, people won't be dismissive by claiming that it's about cannabis and not other drugs and that it's irrelevant, because it is.

Now this data is not cherry picked but comes from reviews of large numbers of separate studies.

  • The relative risk of psychosis caused by alcohol in 2% in all users who drink (Korsakoff's psychosis). This causal link has been demonstrated time and time again and there's wide consensus about this amongst mental health professionals. I might add that this risk can be offset with thiamine treatment and better nutrition. I wish more drinkers would do this but that's besides the point.
  • 80%-90% of schizophrenics or ppl with psychosis smoke tobacco (correlation)
  • Cannabis 0.003%-0.013%. Comes from a study by prof Glen Lewis at Uni of Cardiff where he did a systematic review where he took all the published research and did an average of all the results. So in order to stop one incidence of psychosis, you would probably have to stop 30,000 people smoking it ever in their life.

With cannabinoids such as CBD showing antipsychotic properties it is possible that high CBD strains could actually be beneficial for people suffering from mental illness.

If you're worried about anxiety and paranoia, I would go against the grain and recommend what us westerners would consider 'sativa' strains that are used to make charas, which are high in CBD i.e. landrace strains in particular from places like Lebanon. Indica strains commonly grown by westerners are not high in CBD.

If you have psychosis or schizophrenia it's probably not a good idea to be using any psychoactive drugs. That said, it is important to acknowledge that there are schizophrenics that benefit from smoking certain medicinal strains and that the drug doesn't effect everyone the same way. So to say nobody with schizophrenia should ever smoke wouldn't be right.

Basically what I'm trying to say, is if you've got shizophrenia, fair enough, you might want to be cautious. But if not, please, get real.
 
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I've noticed from myself and others who have experienced getting "psychosis" from weed that it is all very temporary and that the scary effects of marijuana's abuse in people like myself are actually not textbook "psychotic". I've yet to experience any Delusions or hallucinations, or any breaks from reality other than depersonalization/derealization.

I think(now this is just a theory) that if you have a history of "Mental Illness" in yourself/family, the psychotic reaction that person gets is just a fragile mind amidst an acute reaction that must gently subside on its own as it gradually regains its grasp on the world/life/reality again.

Just a Theory.
 
jobe28 said:
Do you think that if I was to smoke bush only there would be less chance of developing psychosis?

I'm asking this because I got diagnosed with psychosis last year from smoking weed but it was hydro, so I'm wondering if the difference in strength would change much.

I'm not that keen to smoke again if it means fucking with my 'mental health' or whatnot. I'm also not really that interested in smoking right now at all anyway, it's just more of a hypothetical.
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Did the Psychiatrist say that it was "Cannabis Induced Psychosis" or that you have an ongoing Psychotic condition?

With regard to your question about the strength of the weed and growing method being related to the negative effects who knows? Some of the bush weed I have sampled in Queensland is pretty high strength so that may not be a way out for you. From what ive seen of the commercial market in Australia most people are going for high thc strains both indoors and outdoors. I dont know if there is a medicinal cannabis community over there but I have a suspicion there might be some people going that way in Northern NSW ie trying to grow cannabis with less thc and more cbd. Thats the kind of thing that you might be able to smoke with out it being too hard on you. (You may have seen one of the main advocates for medical marijuana in Australia in the news recently)

With regard to the indica v sativa thing you are more likely to get an indica or a hybrid than a sativa if you are buying hydros whereas outdoors could be any one of those. It seems unlikely that you would get high cbd weed on the commercial market, you might get some with lower levels of thc but I'm not sure how much use that would be to you.

I think your best bet is to stay away for a while longer. Theres no point smoking if you are not going to enjoy it in the long run.

Just out of interest on how many occaisions did you smoke before your diagnosis?
 
By hydro I'm assuming you mean an indica-dominant strain? To be honest whether it's indica or sativa does not have anything to do with whether or not it will trigger psychosis. The person has to have a pre-existing psychotic disorder in order for a psychedelic like cannabis to trigger an episode. The only caveat I would add to that is if the person has been smoking high doses for the long-term.

I used to be one of those people who adamently fought against people who said pot was addictive or could trigger mental problems. Now I know better. You can read all the research you want but there will always be conflicting studies and pieces of information. Pot is a very political subject with many players involved. Listen to what your mind, body, and heart are telling you. If you feel pot triggers undesirable mental states, then maybe you best avoid it, or in the least take a big break from it (6 months to 1 year) and then introduce it again in SMALL doses to see what happens.

If you genuinely have some kind of psychotic disorder, it will be unlikely that any pause in use will assure that you can avoid future psychosis when you next take it.

Whatever the case may be - whether your psychiatrist was correct or not - I urge you to proceed with caution. Psychosis is a difficult state of mind and you should aim to avoid it if you can.
 
Artificial Emotion said:
[*]80%-90% of schizophrenics or ppl with psychosis smoke tobacco (correlation)
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Woah. I smoke tobacco too so that's pretty interesting.

justsayknow said:
Did the Psychiatrist say that it was "Cannabis Induced Psychosis" or that you have an ongoing Psychotic condition?
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They said they didn't know what caused it, but said it was probably either drug use (which was other drugs too, mainly mephedrone) or stress.

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Just out of interest on how many occaisions did you smoke before your diagnosis?
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Mostly daily for about 3 and a half years (there were some breaks in there - at the most a few months).
 
^So only one Psychotic episode? I would be wary anyway just in case you are predisposed to Schizophrenia. Its not really worth it, I imagine the symptoms you experienced would have been fairly unpleasant.

I think I read somewhere that its possible that people with Schizophrenia tend to self medicate with Cannabis perhaps because of the CBD content but the THC exacerbates the condition. It would be interesting to see if they end up using CBD as an anti-psychotic. I think GW pharmaceuticals are working on it at the moment.
 
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^So only one Psychotic episode? I would be wary anyway just in case you are predisposed to Schizophrenia. Its not really worth it, I imagine the symptoms you experienced would have been fairly unpleasant.
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Yeah just one, and I think you're right. Just so you know, what I experienced wasn't really that bad from my perspective, it wasn't stressful at all, it was really just a case of me being really weird and shit from other people's perspective. Like if I was on a remote island somewhere (and yet somehow had no responsibilities) psychosis wouldn't be an issue. In the real world though it's not something you want though, it just fucks up your life, relationships, health and stuff.
 
Yeah I went to uni with a guy that had schizophrenia and he was telling me that he went and lived in Indonesia for a while and while he was there it wasn't a problem. It was just peoples reaction to him when he was over here that was the problem. Not sure that that's a solution or anything its just an interesting observation.

Glad to hear you're ok now though. Take it easy hey.
 
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