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DMT Extraction FTW/L

Has anyone here tried an extraction from Phalaris Aruninacea (Canary Reed Grass)?
Going from anecdotal jibber-jabber, it only contains .060% (per 100g dried material) of DMT, which is't much compared to Desmanthus Illinoensis Root (Bundle Flower) which apparently contains ~200% per 100mg dried material.

I'm wondering which one would be easier to grow i.e. Which one you could just leave without having to tend to it too much.

I mean you could make yer fucking lawn from Phalaris Aruninacea and people would just think that you'd let yourself go, gardening-wise! :D
Which would be rather awwsthum %)

Then again, Bundle Flower is rather pretty and looks a bit like ferns:
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I do love the fact that some of the most unassuming looking plants contain one of the most potent and intense Hallucinogen in existence (of when we know of) :) Infact I feel smug =D
 
Phalaris grass is not worth bothering with IMO. Even if you could find it (does it even grow in Britain?), the yields would be pathetic, you'd have to defat the mixture before pulling, and you'd end up with 5-MeO-DMT in your product. I'm confident that, given the amount of extra time and supplies you'd have to use, that you'd end up worse off than if you'd just bought some MHRB. Of course, the idea of being self-sufficient for trips is pretty nice. I'd love to have a cactus garden, but England's not really where the cactus thrives.
 
so roughly how much would a kg of bark, solvents and bases cost per extraction? just wondering what the return on investment is, i know if you dial yer extraction in you canachieve a 1% return so 10g of crystal, is that first pull or a some of all pulls combined?
 
the return on "investment" is having lovely extracted dmt, done by yourself, which is so so satisfying and you haven't had to pay 80 odd quid a gram for what is easily extractable from an easy to obtain, inexpensive rootbark
 
ponch said:
If you are willing to pay the cash for one I imagine a separatory funnel will be the best thing to use, not the most cost effective by any means though.
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YESSSSSSS this is next on my inventory wish list - I always use a pipette - 1ml pipette. Once you get the hang of it, it doesn't take too long and you can get almost all of it.

breakcorefiend said:
so roughly how much would a kg of bark, solvents and bases cost per extraction? just wondering what the return on investment is, i know if you dial yer extraction in you canachieve a 1% return so 10g of crystal, is that first pull or a some of all pulls combined?
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all the pulls combine. You would have to really fuck up to get less than 1% - I'm working with a tek to get me 2% right now. It will be finished by the end of the weekend.


altogether it would cost about *snip* BCF, if you add in bigger HDPE milk jugs and coffee filters.

you can get up to 20 times what you would get if you bought a gram of it from a charlatan, for 80 - 100 quid.
 
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Yeah i agree MM, the ROI would be having something that you made yerself to enjoy :D something i will have a think bout but i doubt itll be anytime soon as i dont even own a blender lol, but food for thought indeed :)

2% return sounds good!
 
If one passes on the separating funnel, aside from the price of the bark, about €20 worth of solvents and lye is needed for extracting 1 kg of bark. Vessels and assorted containers can be had from any second hand store. You're better off investing in a GLASS separating funnel though, and be prepared to spend about an hour every evening for a week or two if you want to do it right.
Investing in educating ones-self in separatory chemistry and chemistry 101 helps too. =D
But basically, the €20 is all you really need. The rest just makes your life easier.
 
It's not as complicated as some might have you believe. Mix bark and water, add base, add solvent, remove solvent, pop in the freezer.
 
^ Nah it's not - you're right, it's easy. But to get maximum yield it always helps to find the tek that is most anal in it's steps - someone else has taken the time to make it as efficient as possible (so you don't have to go through trial and error tweaking as you go), so I'd rather use that tek than just throw it all together, mix, and extract the solvent before freezing lol.

20 euros worth? OUCH. 1kg NaOH + 4 litres of naptha costs approx 10.50/11quid! Are you including recrystallization solvent as well, Mandelbrot?
 
Ah! You know, there are so many ways... Nothing wrong with extracting 30 times using 100ml of naphtha each time. That's just how I used to do it. Worked fine. You can't possibly recover more than 50 ml of naphtha each time, and a lot of patience (and hot waterbath!) are needed to get even that small volume from each pull. But after 30 pulls you should have 1.5-2 litres of naphtha containing containing all that's in there. No rush. Take it easy. Let it evap to half volume over a month, if need be. Freeze it for a week... you know, take it easy!:)
 
wow that is an awful waste of naptha. You don't need even half that much - Even if I am doing 500g extractions I still only do 4 pulls of 60-80ml naptha.

30 times?!??! You must be mad - I\ve never EVER read anyone doing more than 6 pulls.

ANd you never answered my question.
 
yeah less naphtha is better, I use 50-60ml per pull(reused as well) for 350g extractions...and I agree about 6 pulls is the most before it becomes pointless, but all depends on times, temps etc....
 
breakcorefiend said:
Yeah i agree MM, the ROI would be having something that you made yerself to enjoy :D something i will have a think bout but i doubt itll be anytime soon as i dont even own a blender lol, but food for thought indeed :)

2% return sounds good!
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You sound just like me.
 
I've never got anything remotely like 20g from a kilo of bark. At the very, very most 5g. Most often 2-3g.
 
Forgive my ignorance but what is a good smoking dose to get you into the breakthrough area ? getting to D Em T space is on my life time list of must do's;)
 
4-5 pulls, if your really careful, will net you 70% of what is in there at most. You could get 90% from 4-5 pulls, but you'll have to use xylene and fumaric acid. Naphtha is just not the right solvent to do it like this. DMT's solubility in naphtha is about 1 g per 100 ml at room temp. And if if your soup is thick, you'll loose even more on suspensions forming. Suspensions you can't see because everything will be so black and thick, you'll will NEED a glass separating funnel. If you go acid/base, that is also an option, but 4-5 pulls is still not enough. If done qualitative tests on this, and with xylene the Kv of is 0.33. Naphtha is a lot less, around 0.1-0.15. Warming everything will raise your distribution by 25-50%, but you'll have to use a heating element in a water-bath, and I don't relish the idea of electricity, thermostats and flammable volatile compounds combined. While 30 pulls can very well be considered overkill, losses will be very low indeed. And recrystallizing is not really necessary if one dries the naphtha before freeze precipitating using anhydrous magnesium or sodium salts. MgSO4 (cheap!) is my choice. No lye or gunk will carry over in the solvent, making re-xing obsolete. You do get nice crystals with re-x from heptane, but it'll cost. But it's like I said: one can make it as expensive or elaborate as you want, but the spirit of the original question was how much it would cost from a kitchen chemists point-of-view. That's how I interpreted it.

Peace!
 
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OK so it looks like you have a lot of experience BUT https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=27184 I am using this tek at the mo, and its going really well - I shall post the yield when I have completely finished extracting and evapping and drying.

But thanks for finally answering my question I will keep everything you said in mind, and experiment more in the future.
 
atm23 said:
Forgive my ignorance but what is a good smoking dose to get you into the breakthrough area ? getting to D Em T space is on my life time list of must do's;)
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A lot of people consistently mention 50mg and above to be 'breakthrough', though I must admit I've never weighed out a dose of DMT due to the nature of the chemical and the lack of physical danger. Also, it's kind of self-limiting in that you can only inhale so much at a time and before you know it you're out, or at least in a pleasant headspace.

It might take you a few attempts to get into the kind of spaces / states of mind people descibe, but it's fun trying, and very benign on the body. Also, you can repeat it several times with tiny breaks inbetween.

I'm going to sound like some disciple of Ismene now though, and suggest that if you really want to explore DMT space, then it has to be through the oral route. I don't mean pretending you're Amazonian and preparing a disgusting brew, or any of that hippy nonsense (sorry hippies ;) ). I mean getting some moclobemide and coca cola in (along with your DMT) and going for it.

Should you decide to take that route, you really should take steps to counteract the near-inevitable nausea. Though I must say it was fun to emerge from the shithouse floor like Christ from the sepulchre and find myself in a different world than the one I'd left, albeit with nostrils full of vomit.
 
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DMT's solubility in naphtha is about 1 g per 100 ml at room temp. And if
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you clearly know a lot more than most of us on this thread, but I got to take issue with that.

Ismene, are you super purifying and recrystallising your product? I do one rextalisation, but no more, and 10-15g per kilo is my result, I really think you are geting low yields, unless you are growing superpure n-n-dmt crystals...?
 
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