LOL at junkie dog. I gotta say I do know one of my friends dog who seem to enhoy weed. As soon as you blow it om its face, he calms down, becomes extremely friendly and eats much more than usual.
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Has anyone ever tried dripping acid on a spider?
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Aetherius Rimor
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No, Dr.DruNk, delta_9, and myself were discussing psychoactive/psychotropic drugs, not specifically psychedelic drugs. Even the OP referred to a study of Caffeine and spiders, caffeine being a psychoactive substance, not psychedelic. I wouldn't give caffeine to my dog either for that matter. Until I know otherwise, just seems unsafe.
I'd honestly say that your specific reference to psychedelics rather than the broad spectrum of psychoactive substances is more akin to a straw man argument than my own, but I don't see any point in continuing down this line of discussion since we both agree on the core principle of the matter at hand.
This makes sense to me and I agree completely. Thank you for further explaining your views.
I ask for full explanations like this, because I want to know the reason for the rule, not the rule itself. The logic behind something allows me to fully understand why it exists, and whether or not I agree with it's existence, as well as follow the rule in the -spirit- of it, rather than the written text of it.
Until I know the spirit/intention of a rule/law, the written text can be misleading.
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Flickering
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Hm. The reaction to this thread was stronger than I expected.
First, thanks k20 for that video, I got a good laugh out of that.
Now, I wasn't seriously suggesting that one of us go and actually feed LSD to a spider. None of us would be able to anyway, since it's a matter of nanograms or even picograms on that scale, not micrograms.
And I definitely wasn't suggesting giving LSD to your cat or dog... Jesus... and neither was LimitBreaker.
Perhaps this should have gone in a joke threads section. But I was also legitimately interested. Spiderwebs are very intricate designs, kind of like fractals, and it's amazing that such small creatures know how to weave such beautiful patterns. One has to wonder at what it's like for them, their state of mind in constructing the web. When I saw the caffeinated web, I was doubly intrigued. So naturally the question would follow, has anyone ever used a different substance on a spider?
The answer is yes, they have, as I've gone ahead and looked it up, but considering the reaction to this thread, maybe I shouldn't post that blatant animal abuse.
Is giving drugs to spiders abuse? Yes, but so is every experiment thing humans do with them, or to rats, often to much worse extents. I was approaching this from a position of vicarious curiosity. I'm not suggesting feeding your pet psychedelics and I agree that anyone who would should not have a pet, or psychedelics for that matter. However, this thread caused far more upset than intended, so to the one(s) who reported it, sure, perhaps it should be locked.
First, thanks k20 for that video, I got a good laugh out of that.
Now, I wasn't seriously suggesting that one of us go and actually feed LSD to a spider. None of us would be able to anyway, since it's a matter of nanograms or even picograms on that scale, not micrograms.
And I definitely wasn't suggesting giving LSD to your cat or dog... Jesus... and neither was LimitBreaker.
Perhaps this should have gone in a joke threads section. But I was also legitimately interested. Spiderwebs are very intricate designs, kind of like fractals, and it's amazing that such small creatures know how to weave such beautiful patterns. One has to wonder at what it's like for them, their state of mind in constructing the web. When I saw the caffeinated web, I was doubly intrigued. So naturally the question would follow, has anyone ever used a different substance on a spider?
The answer is yes, they have, as I've gone ahead and looked it up, but considering the reaction to this thread, maybe I shouldn't post that blatant animal abuse.
Is giving drugs to spiders abuse? Yes, but so is every experiment thing humans do with them, or to rats, often to much worse extents. I was approaching this from a position of vicarious curiosity. I'm not suggesting feeding your pet psychedelics and I agree that anyone who would should not have a pet, or psychedelics for that matter. However, this thread caused far more upset than intended, so to the one(s) who reported it, sure, perhaps it should be locked.
delta_9
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For the record, I wasn't discussing anything(or at least I wasn't trying to). I was only pointing out that this thread(as I understand it) is against Bluelight's policy. I do happen to agree with Roger&Me on this one, however.
Edit - Or rather I should say that some of the posts in this thread aren't exactly in line with Bl's policy regarding animals & drugs. This thread in and of itself is certainly breaking no rules as the OP only asked a question.
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23536
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The answer to this thread is yes. This has been done by scientists who have subsequently observed the web patterns after spiders have been given various drugs. See here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLTrD9LYQTs#t=7m20s
This is what they created on LSD:
versus sober:
interestingly, this is caffeine:
source: http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/spiderdrugs.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLTrD9LYQTs#t=7m20s
This is what they created on LSD:
versus sober:
interestingly, this is caffeine:
source: http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/spiderdrugs.htm
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psood0nym
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There are spoofs of it on youtube, for sure. It certainly does sound like a joke. The spoofs make the webs more symbolic of the human mind state for each chemical.
The original study (apparently):
Noever, R., J. Cronise, and R. A. Relwani. 1995. Using spider-web patterns to determine toxicity. NASA Tech Briefs 19(4):82. Published in New Scientist magazine, 29 April 1995
Bill
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Couldn't agree more and couldn't have said it any better
Imagine being that poor animal coming up on LSD or whatever, fuck it would most likely be horrifyingly bad
stormcharger
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Damn straight. If you look up cat on acid into youtube, how could you do that to another creature?!
In fact the audio is muted on youtube in that clip because it is that horrifying. They just squeak in terror and uncontrollably convulse. If you do this, you'll have to answer for it one day.
SONN
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I wonder if, in a safe set and setting and starting at a dosage of .5 micrograms/lb a cat(or any other mammal for that matter) could have a profound psychedelic experience. Obviously the cat in that youtube video is allegedly having a terrible reaction to the LSD it was administered, but you have to realize that this video was probably made as a kind of "reefer madness" for psychedelic drugs much like this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPgpYux8HJQ
If that cat is actually on LSD it was probably a brutal dose of it considering that that study was probably trying to used as more reason to make LSD illegal at the time.
If that cat is actually on LSD it was probably a brutal dose of it considering that that study was probably trying to used as more reason to make LSD illegal at the time.
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You guys do realize the spiders on drugs video on youtube is a joke right?
If nothing else gives you a clue then how about when the marijuna spider is in the cold so he becomes the crack spider's bitch...
If nothing else gives you a clue then how about when the marijuna spider is in the cold so he becomes the crack spider's bitch...
Yeah, its obviously fake but I am getting confused because some of you think its real? I think there was a real study on spiders that the joke was based onbut I couldn't give you any info.
Flickering
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^^ You surmise correctly.
all living things feel pain/fear. that is something i have noticed - from spiders, to crabs, to flowers
for a more innocent video; cats on catnip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Xrcp6k8VE
seen a good few times, but will always love the spider webs
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http://www.cowboybooks.com.au/html/acidtrip1.html
OP not sure if you have seen this before, thought it might be of interest to you.
OP not sure if you have seen this before, thought it might be of interest to you.
Aetherius Rimor
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This is why all living beings should be treated with respect. Inability to consent to an experiment does not remove the burden of obtaining it, only making it impossible.
We are just still far to primitive of a species unfortunately, that it is currently a "necessary evil" if you value human life over animal life, for the progress of science, for researchers to require lab animals.
I hope one day we can simulate in a virtual environment to exper, or engineer life incapable of suffering in order for science continue.
I love cats. Wish I wasn't allergic to them. By the way, I think you posted the wrong URL
On another humorous note, animals consenting to be eaten!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4GAuuBbb3w
Biovail
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How is this any different than selling meth to a meth head?
Transcendence
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I agree with your sentiment but jeez Dwayne, for someone who spends a lot of time on a psychedelics board you sure could learn to chill the fuck out a little. Aren't you the one who flipped shit when I suggested that dealers who intentionally poison their clientele should go to jail? But I guess cats are a whole different ballgame.