Has anyone ever tried dripping acid on a spider?

[Flickering]

I have two things to say.

The first is this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Caffeinated_spiderwebs_modified.jpg

The second, well, I think the title of this topic and the picture above is enough.

Discuss.

 

[k20]

thought it was a joke?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc

 

[gymstud]

What would be the dose for a spider

 

[Limitbreaker]

Are spiders any kind of worse animals than others?

First spiders, then bees, then butterflies, then cats... I'm up for aciding my cat, lol.

 

[DwayneHoover]

Are spiders any kind of worse animals than others?

First spiders, then bees, then butterflies, then cats... I'm up for aciding my cat, lol.

You stupid empty pathetic f-ing A-HOLE! DO ***NOT*** DO THIS YOU MEAN LITTLE CHILD!!! Or even joke about it because there are lots of RETARDS you will give this VERY WRONG HARMFULL AND IMMORAL idea to!

Cats are mammals just like you and I they feel pain and terror and LOVE just like you, JACKASS!!!

Incredibly cruel horrifying idea, if anyone knows this jerk and they do this REPORT THEM TO POLICE FOR ANIMAL CRUELTY so they will GO TO JAIL!!!

 

[Dr.DruNk]

I think subjecting animals, and also insects, to chemicals drugs is a waste of time at best and sadistic at worst. Perhaps in the context of a scientific study that was backed by theory could be justifiable. Most animals (possible exceptions, dolphins, chimps, and parrots) are not self-aware as we understand it and lack the capacity to reflect on their own condition. Psychedelic drugs would change their behavior, but they would not necessarily enjoy the experience and defiantly not understand it. Giving animals psychotropic drugs for you own laughs is no different than abusing them.

 

[Shifty38]

Are spiders any kind of worse animals than others?

First spiders, then bees, then butterflies, then cats... I'm up for aciding my cat, lol.

Got to say I agree with above. Not even sure you should joke about that ...

 

[delta_9]

Bluelight has a steadfast policy against giving animals psychoactive drugs. Here is the official 'pets and drugs' thread.

This thread has been reported.

 

[Aetherius Rimor]

I think subjecting animals, and also insects, to chemicals drugs is a waste of time at best and sadistic at worst.

If done for the wrong reasons, yes. Then again, we subject our cats to Catnip for our own amusement, so it's really a sliding scale based on potential harm to the animal.

Perhaps in the context of a scientific study that was backed by theory could be justifiable.

This is the only right reason if potentially harmful/fatal.

Most animals (possible exceptions, dolphins, chimps, and parrots) are not self-aware as we understand it and lack the capacity to reflect on their own condition. Psychedelic drugs would change their behavior, but they would not necessarily enjoy the experience and defiantly not understand it.

You've never seen a dog who loves cannabis have you? My friend had a dog who would get upset, bark and beg like it was about to get food whenever they smoked, until they blew some in it's face. Then it would go eat and drink all it's water/food. Their other dog didn't like weed, but you definitely had to hide any K around the house, apparently it's stay with the vet got him hooked on it. Damn junkie dogs -_-;.

I don't agree with giving animals drugs for non-medical purposes (unless it's specifically sold/safe for them, like Catnip) since it's impossible to get informed consent, but saying that it's purely and solely animal abuse is absurd and untrue.

Giving animals psychotropic drugs for you own laughs is no different than abusing them.

Again... catnip.

 

[Dr.DruNk]

Cats administer catnip to themselves. Also, some monkeys and elephants like to get drunk on rotten fruit, but again they are self-administering. About dogs that like pot... I think it is a waste of pot because the dog can't enjoy it like a person can.

That said if you got your dog stoned, I'm not going to report you to the authorities, I'd just think you were an idiot.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

You stupid empty pathetic f-ing A-HOLE! DO ***NOT*** DO THIS YOU MEAN LITTLE CHILD!!! Or even joke about it because there are lots of RETARDS you will give this VERY WRONG HARMFULL AND IMMORAL idea to!

Cats are mammals just like you and I they feel pain and terror and LOVE just like you, JACKASS!!!

Incredibly cruel horrifying idea, if anyone knows this jerk and they do this REPORT THEM TO POLICE FOR ANIMAL CRUELTY so they will GO TO JAIL!!!

I agree.

OP just take your LSD and don't give it to any animals since they're not human, and can't consent about taking illegal drugs, and it's animal cruelty.

 

[Aetherius Rimor]

Cats administer catnip to themselves.

Your definition of self-administration seems... off.

Cat's don't go to the store, buy some catnip, put it in their toy and then give it to themselves. We do all that for them, and then laugh at how they respond since it's psychotropic just by inhaling the smell.

 

[Shifty38]

Your definition of self-administration seems... off.

Cat's don't go to the store, buy some catnip, put it in their toy and then give it to themselves. We do all that for them, and then laugh at how they respond since it's psychotropic just by inhaling the smell.

There are sources of wild catnip - some cats, not all, are attracted to them and will, for want of a better phrase, 'self-administer.'

 

[Aetherius Rimor]

There are sources of wild catnip - some cats, not all, are attracted to them and will, for want of a better phrase, 'self-administer.'

True, I suppose they do self-administer. Didn't think of that situation. Thanks for correcting me!

 

[Roger&Me]

Your definition of self-administration seems... off.

Cat's don't go to the store, buy some catnip, put it in their toy and then give it to themselves. We do all that for them, and then laugh at how they respond since it's psychotropic just by inhaling the smell.

Yes because clearly the only place in the world to get catnip is at a pet store, and the only cats in the world live indoors with people. 8) Catnip grows wild all throughout the northern US, from Maine clear across to Washington state. Both feral and outdoor domesticated cats seek out wild catnip to chew on, and they do this on their own volition.

This catnip crap is a completely different issue, anyways. It's a straw-man fallacy, and it's also just plain ridiculous. If you give your cat LSD, you'll probably kill or seriously injure your cat. It's completely immoral and wrong; LSD is not as safe as all the spun out hippies say it is, especially not for small mammals.

Don't give your animal drugs unless they're prescribed by a licensed veterinarian. If your cat wants to chew on a potted or wild catnip plant, let it do so. That isn't harmful to their health, and its a natural part of life for a cat.

 

[Aetherius Rimor]

Yes because clearly the only place in the world to get catnip is at a pet store, and the only cats in the world live indoors with people. 8) Catnip grows wild all throughout the northern US, from Maine clear across to Washington state. Both feral and outdoor domesticated cats seek out wild catnip to chew on, and they do this on their own volition.

Someone beat you to it on that correction,

This catnip crap is a completely different issue, anyways. It's a straw-man fallacy, and it's also just plain ridiculous. If you give your cat LSD, you'll probably kill or seriously injure your cat. It's completely immoral and wrong; LSD is not as safe as all the spun out hippies say it is, especially not for small mammals.

I was not arguing LSD being safe, I was arguing that giving psychoactive substances to animals is not inherently wrong, immoral or abusive. That was not a strawman argument. If you want to specify specific drugs, I'd definitely say LSD is not safe to give to any animal for non-scientific (and properly done by someone trained to do so) experiments.

Don't give your animal drugs unless they're prescribed by a licensed veterinarian. If your cat wants to chew on a potted or wild catnip plant, let it do so. That isn't harmful to their health, and its a natural part of life for a cat.

Are you saying that only catnip self-administered is moral? I don't agree with that if you are saying that.

Are you saying someone shouldn't give an animal benadryl for allergies, since it isn't prescribed by a licensed veterinarian? Vets recommend it, and it was given to my Chihuahua for her grass allergies (poor thing... as tall as the grass she was allergic too...)

Don't give overzealous absolutist advice, that's just as wrong as advocating something harmful to animals.

The safety in giving any drug to an animal is entirely based on what substance and at what dosage. Some are definitely not safe (most recreational drugs). Some definitely are within reasonable doses and used for intended or naturally occurring reasons (primarily herbal/OTC medicinal such as Catnip, Benadryl, etc)

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For anyone who wants to see alleged effects of LSD on a cat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJEw3A_QO9o

Assuming that is an accurately described video of an actual experiment, it's brutally obvious how wrong it is.

 

[delta_9]

^^Regardless, Bluelight's policy on the matter is clear. Just drop it please.

 

[Aetherius Rimor]

^^Regardless, Bluelight's policy on the matter is clear.

True to a degree. The discussion of animals ingesting drugs is forbidden.

If any posts are about giving drugs to animals you will be warned and if it continues, given an infraction. Be smart, DO NOT GIVE DRUGS TO ANIMALS -thizzer

I do have a question though. Is the purpose of this to prevent possibility of someone advocating harmful acts and animal abuse, or is it due to a belief that it is inherently wrong?

Is the discussion of actual experiments performed by scientist and documented in journals/articles etc, and speculation of scientific matters related to it also forbidden? If those are forbidden... that bothers me, but I understand if the reason is to prevent someone advocating it, and I would not originally think such topics would be forbidden.

 

[delta_9]

I do have a question though. Is the purpose of this to prevent possibility of someone advocating harmful acts and animal abuse, or is it due to a belief that it is inherently wrong?

You would have to ask the staff member(s) who created the rule.

Is the discussion of actual experiments performed by scientist and documented in journals/articles etc, and speculation of scientific matters related to it also forbidden? If those are forbidden... that bothers me, but I understand if the reason is to prevent someone advocating it, and I would not originally think such topics would be forbidden.

Again, not for me to say.

 

[Roger&Me]

I was not arguing LSD being safe, I was arguing that giving psychoactive substances to animals is not inherently wrong, immoral or abusive. That was not a strawman argument. If you want to specify specific drugs, I'd definitely say LSD is not safe to give to any animal for non-scientific (and properly done by someone trained to do so) experiments.

I never said it was inherently wrong. I don't care whether or not its inherently wrong, you seem to be caught up on the idea of differentiating between whether the act is wrong in and of itself versus whether it's wrong due to the consequences it elicits. I'm pretty sure philosophers have latin words for those ideas, but that's another issue entirely. Also the catnip issue totally was a straw-man argument; the issue we were discussing was that its cruel to give an animal psychedelic drugs, and you argue that we wouldn't consider it wrong to give them catnip, and then use that argument to infer that its somehow "not inherently wrong" to give an animal drugs. We were never discussing the nature of wrongness or whatever you're talking about, we were discussing the practical issue that dosing out your pets is cruel. In the context of this forum, where people have access to a tremendous variety of powerful & mostly unresearched compounds, this idea makes complete sense.

Of course it varies by substance, and the issue is a gray area. If you have a pet, you have a responsibility to care for it; and if you lack expertise in veterinary medicine, you should consult the opinion of an expert before giving your pet drugs (whether or not this is in the form of a written prescription, or a recommendation in the example you gave about benadryl, is inconsequential). You also have a responsibility to further investigate whether the advice you've been given is sound, but that's kind of just common sense. I can't believe I'm even writing this out explicitly, its so silly.

Thousands of people visit this forum every day; most don't possess the pharmacological expertise to determine which drugs are safe to give their pets and at what dosages. That's why bluelight doesn't like these kinds of threads, because some Jenious out there is bound to get the idea in their head that it's cool to dose their animal with whatever substance they think is harmless (as is a common misconception in the psychedelic scene; its common to see people overestimate the relative safety of whatever compound).