help finding vein

[ifoundwalley]

I can't find my vein. I tried like 10 times and my veins are easily visible but everytime I try, I pull back on the syringe and just get air, no blood. I am using 30g 1/2" needles. I tried once thinking my blood might just be to thick for the needle but I just got a bubble under my skin which went away in a few hours.
I have tried with and without a tourniquet.
at first I was just barely putting the needle in so I thought maybe I wasn't going deep enough so I put it in about all the way once and still nothing.

 

[Tripman]

Sounds like you shouldn't be shooting up my friend.

Get a friend do it and watch their technique.

 

[flyonth3wall]

^^ Combo of good and bad advice ( IMO ) there. Though instead of getting a friend to show you how, rather not learn to shoot up at all. Its not a good habit to be getting into. What are you trying to inject anyway?

 

[Tripman]

8)

I told him he shouldn't be shooting up.

Fact is he's most likely going to and the best way to learn is to have someone teach you and to start off injecting plain bactiosteric water.

 

[SameOldShit101]

dont shoot drugs. your going to regret it. your going to regret shooting those drugs. don't shoot them.

 

[flyonth3wall]

Apologies Tripman. The joint I've had is obviously clouding my short-term memory, and I obviously didn't read your post thoroughly. I'll leave my reply as is though, if only to prevent someone else from making themself look like an ass

 

[The Dope Man]

use the big vein the the crook of your elbow. Real hard to miss there. I call it "Route 20" and i hit it the first time i ever IV'ed and was using a 25G rig.

a few tips

- Go as flat as you can into the vein
- make sure the point of the needle is facing down
-youll feel the rig poke through your skin than youll feel it go into the vein
- dont be afraid of going to deep, your using a 1/2in needle so its pretty hare to go to deep or poke through the other side of the vien
- ALWAYS re register halfway through your shot to make sure your still in the vein
- a tip alot of people dont know about but is real good for new IV'ers to use is as soon as the tip of the needle is in your skin pull back like your registering and it will create a vacuum in the rig so as soon as you hit the vein blood will squirt into the rig so you wont have to register and youll know right when you hit the vein because blood will squirt into the rig.

 

[Opiates4lyfe]

Try sticking that needle in the trash can, might work better there.

 

[ifoundwalley]

^^ Combo of good and bad advice ( IMO ) there. Though instead of getting a friend to show you how, rather not learn to shoot up at all. Its not a good habit to be getting into. What are you trying to inject anyway?

oxycodone. which I'm not even sure if I'm doing it right I have the blue 30s and I crushed a pill and put like a 1/3 of the powder on the spoon with about 60 units of water and mixed it with the cap for the needle and heated it until it started bubbling then mixed again and still had a bunch of powder but I just dropped a piece of cotton and got what I could.
I know it is probably a bad idea but smoking just isn't enough anymore and besides it takes like 2 pills smoking to get me where I want to be wich is up to <snip> where I live. shooting will be more efficient.

8)

I told him he shouldn't be shooting up.

Fact is he's most likely going to and the best way to learn is to have someone teach you and to start off injecting plain bactiosteric water.

Ya I am just using water now. It wasn't when I had that bubble but now it is just water so I don't waste anything trying to get it to work.

use the big vein the the crook of your elbow. Real hard to miss there. I call it "Route 20" and i hit it the first time i ever IV'ed and was using a 25G rig.

a few tips

- Go as flat as you can into the vein
- make sure the point of the needle is facing down
-youll feel the rig poke through your skin than youll feel it go into the vein
- dont be afraid of going to deep, your using a 1/2in needle so its pretty hare to go to deep or poke through the other side of the vien
- ALWAYS re register halfway through your shot to make sure your still in the vein
- a tip alot of people dont know about but is real good for new IV'ers to use is as soon as the tip of the needle is in your skin pull back like your registering and it will create a vacuum in the rig so as soon as you hit the vein blood will squirt into the rig so you wont have to register and youll know right when you hit the vein because blood will squirt into the rig.

thanks I'll going deeper and do that vacuum thing you mentioned

 

[benzo bars]

Don't shoot oxycodone...that's just plain fucking stupid and @ sameoldshit, WORTHLESS POST. He asked for advice, not a preacher.

 

[The Dope Man]

Don't shoot oxycodone...that's just plain fucking stupid and @ sameoldshit, WORTHLESS POST. He asked for advice, not a preacher.

THIS !

And to the OP. shooting OXY is pointless besides the slight 20% raise in BA. no rush and the high last for a significantly shorter time than any other ROA.

Oral or plugged are your best bet. i Would plug as it hits faster and better BA.

Your first opiate to shoot should be one with a good rush ! ie morphine,heroin,dilaudid or opana

 

[effie]

The risk:benefit ratio really isn't in favour of IVing oxycodone IMO - shooting pills in general is dodgy as you have the additional risk of fillers/binders entering your bloodstream and lodging in your lungs on top of the regular IV risks. This can cause a progressive, irreversible lung disease called pneumoconiosis. Add the high bioavailability via other ROAs (don't smoke your pills btw!) and the lack of rush and it is a lot of potential harm for not much gain.. Have you tried plugging instead?

If you are going to shoot it then you definitely need to alter your technique!

Firstly is really important that you use a micron filter to filter out the filler/binders. Shooting pills without one is not safe. Why.

Secondly, you must not to heat the pill when you prepare it (opioids are freely water soluble in cold water - heating it just increases the amount of other crap that dissolves).

Thirdly, it's really important that you don't have a poor technique when IVing, you can cause a lot of damage to your veins and put yourself at risk of complications. Please have a really good read through this IV tecnhique/complications megathread before you go near yourself with a needle again, it contains a lot of excellent information.

Do your veins roll much? This is a fairly common reason for missing, as is using too steep an angle and going right through the vein. Whereabouts are you trying? Make sure you are well hydrated and you are sure you have identified a vein correctly too..

Are you using a fresh needle every time, even if you don't hit the vein?

 

[ifoundwalley]

THIS !

And to the OP. shooting OXY is pointless besides the slight 20% raise in BA. no rush and the high last for a significantly shorter time than any other ROA.

Oral or plugged are your best bet. i Would plug as it hits faster and better BA.

Your first opiate to shoot should be one with a good rush ! ie morphine,heroin,dilaudid or opana

well I can't find any of that stuff and when I can find heroin it is more expensive then oxy. what is BA?

 

[effie]

Bioavailability megathread.

(And read my earlier post )

 

[benzo bars]

are sure you have identified a vein correctly too..

This. If you hit an attery...it will be VERY painful.

When you do actually draw blood, you want to register dark thick blood.
If you register light red fluid blood, you hit an artery and shits about to hit the fan.

 

[ifoundwalley]

The risk:benefit ratio really isn't in favour of IVing oxycodone IMO - shooting pills in general is dodgy as you have the additional risk of fillers/binders entering your bloodstream and lodging in your lungs on top of the regular IV risks. This can cause a progressive, irreversible lung disease called pneumoconiosis. Have you tried plugging instead?

If you are going to shoot it then you definitely need to alter your technique!

Firstly is really important that you use a micron filter to filter out the filler/binders. Shooting pills without one is not safe. Why.

Secondly, you must not to heat the pill when you prepare it (opioids are freely water soluble in cold water - heating it just increases the amount of other crap that dissolves).

Thirdly, it's really important that you don't have a poor technique when IVing, you can cause a lot of damage to your veins and put yourself at risk of complications. Please have a really good read through this IV tecnhique/complications megathread before you go near yourself with a needle again, it contains a lot of excellent information.

Do your veins roll much? This is a fairly common reason for missing, as is using too steep an angle and going right through the vein. Whereabouts are you trying? Make sure you are well hydrated and you are sure you have identified a vein correctly too..

Are you using a fresh needle every time, even if you don't hit the vein?

thanks I will check out that iv thread.
idk if my veins roll idk what that even means, and I have tried 2 different veins I see on my arm and using a lot of different angles. one at the bend under my elbow and one that is kinda on the side of my arm. I have not used a new needle each time, I used 3 different ones all together between like 15 tries. but it was still sharp enough to not really hurt when i tried so I figured i didn't need a new one.

 

[Swain]

Look for veins that are not just like a blueline under your skin, you want the biggest bulging vein you can find. Peirce the skin with the needle, pull back a few units so you have an air vacuum, then proceed to slowly keep inserting the syringe until you hit the vein. When you hit the vein blood will shoot into your syringe because of the vacuum. Then anchor and push teh plunger.

I doubt your blood is too think lol that is DEFINITELY not the case. You should ahve absolutely no pain while injecting, if you hti an artery, you will know. From the pain, and pressure. If you are not in a vein you have resistasnce while pushing the plunger. If you are in properly it should slide easy and be painfree like I said.

I would just not fuck with shooting its really not worth it. But if you do, two things, learn how to hold the pin correctly (look for pictures), and use the vacuum technique to register.

 

[effie]

thanks I will check out that iv thread.
idk if my veins roll idk what that even means, and I have tried 2 different veins I see on my arm and using a lot of different angles. one at the bend under my elbow and one that is kinda on the side of my arm. I have not used a new needle each time, I used 3 different ones all together between like 15 tries. but it was still sharp enough to not really hurt when i tried so I figured i didn't need a new one.

By roll I mean they move in relation to your skin, making it easy for the needle to slip to one side rather than entering the vein. Often the bigger veins near the surface are worst for this, so going for the really obvious-looking ones isn't always the best plan. Veins in your antecubital fossa (crook of elbow) tend not to roll much.

You absolutely do need a new needle:

Even if it looks sharp the tip becomes blunt really quickly and can do a lot of damage to veins, causing them to collapse, and to the surrounding tissue if you miss.

 

[lazylazyjoe]

(I'm just reiterating what everyone else said. )
Read megathread for proper prep and technique and find a vein location chart.

Then goto an exchange they'll show you proper technique. Or break off a little for your friend and have him/her show you. Just don't rely on 'em , cause you never want to put control of your high in someone else's hands.

Also. try a 28ga.(new one each poke) The smaller the gauge, the harder it is to register. I can never hit w/ a 30 or 31.

If your veins are visible, then should be easy. Practice w/ water @ first so you dont waste your stuff. It takes a little while to get it right, but once you catch on, its easy.

 

[opiatekrzy]

finding veins can be tricky, u may think ur veins are shot from years of abuse, but they're not, there all over the place. first off be hydrated so ur veins dont hide and constrict, make sure ur in a warm setting, cold weather causes veins to hide. also if u have scar tissue over a vein, it will get caught in the needle tip, tricking u into thinking urnot in the vein by causing the needle not to show blood from the cloggage..patience is the most important part..u will find a vein..i prefer short tip needles now after years of abuse, i tend to go right thru my vein when i register, any slight movement and im out the vein, with a short tip, i have less chance of going thru the vein etc