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Purposely taking Suboxone to induce Precipitated Withdrawl

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OK, I have been trying to quit my 15 bag a day IV heroin habit now for a few months with little progress. I tried taking suboxone one time after 15 hours of not shooting and I went into precip. withdrawl. I am trying to avoid that again, but everytime I try to wait more than 15 hours I give in and go get more dope. I have a new theory that I think will help me quit, i just need to know if anyone has any reasons to why this wont work. Here is my plan:


Wait about 10-12 hours after last shot to take subs. Take about 4mg of sub. Wait for the precip withdrawl to kick in and then immediately shoot another 4 bags of dope to take away the precip withdrawl. at this point i will have the subs in my system and since the halflife of the the subs will be a lot longer than the dope, it should in theory last until after the dope has worn off and then i can just continue to take subs afterwards without getting sick again.

Is this a viable way of going about this? Will it work? or do I just have to suck it up and wait a full 18-24 hrs to induct myself onto the subs?
 
You won't be able to stop the precipitated WD by shooting 4 bags of heroin, bupe's binding affinity is stronger

Your plan sounds like a great way to end up hospitalized
 
This is a really bad idea. As pointed out above, the buprenorphine binds to the receptors better then heroin can and so you will be stuck with the precipitated WD. Doesn't feel good, man.
 
I think in your situation you probably should consider an inpatient clinic. Sounds like you will need help to get clean.
 
^ This, or at least get your hands on some methadone to taper with.
 
Precip W/D is smething inevitable, no matter what u try to do, to make it go away, will not work. using more opiates will not cure it, taking more suboxone will not cure it. you will just have to man up and suffer, precip WD can last anywhere from 1-12 hours. What happens is the Buprenrphine knocks all of the opiates you have filled in ur receptors, and during this processthe bupe replaces whatever opiates u had in ur receptors. its a slow process, during this time you will go through an agonizing withdrawl until the bupe takes the place of the piatesu were taking, naloxone among pplar belief is not what causes you to be vilently ill. ecuse my typos, my 2yr old son ripped keys off the laptopo and broke the screen.
 
I have tried something similar to what you said and it didn't help me for jack shit the next day when I fully transitioned to sub, and made the previous day when I did that kind of shitty.

I sniffed a very small amount so as to keep it in my system while I was on a little break from bupe, maybe .25-.5mg, then about 10 mintues after I proceeded to get high as planned. Now I didn't go into precip withdrawals or anything but I did feel a little 'off' the whole day I was getting high. And after my last dose of dope I waited 24 hours + and the transition was still hell.

Just wait it out and dose your bupe no less than 24 hours after your last shot. With that amount of dope, a difficult transition is inevitable. I know becuase that is the exact level I use at and it's HELL transitioning back to bupe after a run. You are trying to avoid getting sick.. there is no way to do that. Now you can avoid preciptated withdrawals and dose in a way so as to promote a smooth transition...you just have to wait until you are in pretty serious withdrawals to dose your bupe.

No matter what you will have some hell. Think about it scientifically. Bupe (as far as I know) does not release dopamine since it's a partial agonist which is the reason it's not really abused and you don't have the compulsion to take extra. Heroin has a dopamine release. Every day you are shooting dope and causing dopamine releases in your brain, causing your brain to produce less dopamine on it's own (b/c it's used to the heroin doing it for you). Now you are switching to bupe, a partial agon., so your brain is starved of dopamine. In my opinion that's why I feel the transition is so horrible for users who are heavily physically dependent.
 
I did that once. I shot 2mgs of suboxne during my habit. It was super intense, but over in 15 minutes.
When I gave myself PWD from taking suboxone sublinually, it lasted 5 hours.
I'm not instructing you to do this, just telling you what happens. I gotta tell you, PWD is so intense and takes you by surprise, even when expecting it. It was like a cold blade slicing your body and the pain is unbearable. But, if you hang in, after 15 min you feel ok. My wife actually blacked out cause the pain was so intense.
BTW : my habit was bundle/day so mileage may vary.
 
I have found that after about 6 hours the worst of the PW's are over but you still have a hellish transition ahead for the next few days. But yeah the 1st 6 hours if you PW it I barf uncontrollably as buckets of sweat bead off my face.. I am like in fetus position throwing up in a bucket on my floor seriously incapacitated. If you get PW's the 1st 24 hours is literally unbearable (at least if feels like it LOL), but you can truck through it. You are way to sick to even consider doing shit like arranging a call and meet and getting on the subway for a half hour to cop dope. All you want to do is get under the covers but soon as you do you are too hot sweating bullets then you get out and realize you gotto piss and you piss out like a half ounce every hour because your urinary retention gets anally fucked
 
For some reason I can do my last dose of opana nasal or iv, or last dose of dope and will not get precipitated withdrawals when I dose my bupe 10, even 8 hrs before. After my last dose I've always found this strange and have never got precipitated wd before. Does anyone have a similar experience?

Maybe my metabolism has something to do with it, I get sick in usually 10 hours after my last dose even if I'm not injecting my opana.

I usually insufflation 2 or 3 mgs of bupe by the way
 
On the last 2 days of your heroin usage you need to use AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE, then abstain entirely for at LEAST 24 hours(36 would be much better).

Then when you induct on subs, start with 2mg(under the tongue), then take 1mg every hour until you feel better.(do NOT start with 8mg, this is horrible idea, you will end up with PWD, I don't know why doctors do this).

You'll barely feel anything, I mean you'll be in WD's already before you take the bupe, and the bupe will just slowly provide relief, no PWD.

geraggh34, how long have you had a habit? And what are your dosages like?

From when I use to sell my subs, I knew quite a few people who didn't have a real opiate dependency, they had a real addiction, they just weren't full on dependant, but they had convinced themselves they NEEDED Subs when they ran out of opiates, instead of just being hungover for a day or 2. These people could mix opiates and subs fairly readily without ever causing PWD. If your WD's aren't really bad without subs, then subs aren't going to suddenly make you PWD very easily. You say you get sick in 10 hours and are injecting OM, do I doubt this applies to you.
 
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OK so i appreciate the feedback, and I agree with you all who say not to do it, to a certain extent. I have inducted onto subs 4 times over the last few years after strong runs and 1 has been really smooth, 1 has been decent, and 2 have led to PW. The first time i had PW i just laid in the shower for 4 hours puking and poopin at the same time in the fetal posistion. The 2nd time I begged and begged my gf to take me to the hood to score dope as soon as the PW came into effect. I rode into the hood with a trashcan in my lap and scored my normal dose. I did it in the car, and immediatly felt better. Thats the only reason i thought it may work. I also learned the hard way that taking more subs during PW is the worse thing you can do.

I guess i will just do things the right way since i now got fired from my job for taking too many days off trying to quit and failing. I am gonna use this next week until i find a new job to get right and hopefully never go back. Thanks for all the posts.
 
I know everyone advised against it...but I have done that. I have taken subs too early and felt terrible!...I couldnt take it anymore..so I got some heroin and IVed it. It took the edge off the PW's...I didn't get too terribly high though, because the subs were in my system. It just took the terrible withdrawals away. The next day, I wasn't withdrawing...the subs were still in my system and were helping. I guess the small amount of heroin that was able to work through the sub was just enough to help me feel better...but the subs are stronger and still stayed in my brain and worked once that last bit of H left.
 
Coolwhip said:
On the last 2 days of your heroin usage you need to use AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE, then abstain entirely for at LEAST 24 hours(36 would be much better).

Then when you induct on subs, start with 2mg(under the tongue), then take 1mg every hour until you feel better.(do NOT start with 8mg, this is horrible idea, you will end up with PWD, I don't know why doctors do this).

You'll barely feel anything, I mean you'll be in WD's already before you take the bupe, and the bupe will just slowly provide relief, no PWD.

geraggh34, how long have you had a habit? And what are your dosages like?

From when I use to sell my subs, I knew quite a few people who didn't have a real opiate dependency, they had a real addiction, they just weren't full on dependant, but they had convinced themselves they NEEDED Subs when they ran out of opiates, instead of just being hungover for a day or 2. These people could mix opiates and subs fairly readily without ever causing PWD. If your WD's aren't really bad without subs, then subs aren't going to suddenly make you PWD very easily. You say you get sick in 10 hours and are injecting OM, do I doubt this applies to you.
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i've had a havit for 3 years now started off oxycodone, now either 50-80mg opana nasal or 8-12mg IV, or .4 or half gram of tar a day IV. thats why i think its strange, i almost always save a little full agonist dose for the morning so i can transition to sub as soon as i start to feel any chills or nausea the slightest bit. im on the full agonists more than the bupe of course, but trying to stay on bupe now
 
even when u switch to suboxone, and quitting heroin, and waiting long enough to avoid precip withdrawl, i still felt like shit for 3 days with the transition. i mean 95% of my physical withdrawl was gone, but i noticed if i took 8mg suboxone in the AM, later that day i had to re -dose cause i felt eroin like withdrawl coming back, just felt weak for the 3 day switch, but i did avoid the horrible withdrawls, just wasnt 100% dandy
 
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