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Telling someone I have HPV -- After sex

Well what, am i supposed to never have sex again because of whats most likely an non-harmful virus i may or may not carry? If i told girls, most would be too stupid to know what im talking about and simply freak out that ive got aids or some shit.

Lol says a shit ton about you and the girls you go for.

So you getting laid is more important than letting someone know you could possibly give them a life threatening illness?

Wow this just keeps getting better and better.

Keep going please I enjoy watching you dig a hole for yourself.
 
Just says that i know about HPV. Im like all the people i have sex with, an 'actively sexual person', and as that person, i may or may not have HPV. Just because im intelligent enough to know about this virus, doesnt mean im a bad person for not educating others. In the perfect world, everytime i had sex, me and the person im about to fuck would sit down and talk about our sexual history, when we were last tested and so on. This world is not perfect though and alot of people are ignorant to things like HPV. If people were so concerned about it, and lets face it everyone should or atleast can know about HPV and its inherant risk, especially in my culture where bus stops and tv ads constantly bad buzz people about it(HPV, cervical cancer mainly though), then the girl would ASK ME, and say 'is there a chance you have HPV', and i would say 'yes, as big of a chance as there is of you probably having HPV' - because ive had sex, and anyones whos ever had sex could have HPV.
 
moonyham, It looks like you are having some strong emotions about telling/not telling. Revisiting this thread shows you are really thinking about it deeply.

I just came to terms with my wrongness about not informing, and it feels o.k. Give yourself permission to be wrong some time. You don't have to do it here, publicly.

+1 for the Pre-sex conversation / informing / harm reduction.
 
In short moonyham your position is "as long as they don't ask me about it I am clear of responsibility". Good on you mate. Gaëtan Dugas would be proud of you. I mean who gives a fuck right? I mean it is not like you are going around knowingly infecting people with a potentially DEADLY disease right? oh wait.... But fuck that noise am I right? As long as you can get your dick wet who the fuck cares who gets cancer and why.

To clarify being ignorant of a disease and having unprotected sex is one thing. Knowing that you very well might have the disease (as you said that you have had sex with multiple women you knew to have been infected with HPV) and saying you'll ignore it and won't tell your future partners that you have it is a terrible thing to do. It shows a total lack of respect to your partners as human fucking beings.

But whatever as long as it doesn't come back and bite you in the ass right?

As Lysis said already.

Amazing how many people think it's ok to gamble with someone else's health.

@mami sorry for hijacking your thread I didn't mean to. I just find moonyhams attitude towards this whole subject to be morally reprehensible.

You had the same opinion essentially as moonyham but now you know better. It was a mistake no doubt but you seem to me to be genuinely and sincerely sorry about it. It doesn't fix what you did. But at least now in the future you won't make the same mistake.

I really hope he forgives you.

Peace.
 
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no-one is going to be happy being told by someone they had unprotected sex with that the person has an std, but this is a less severe issue than it could be with hepatitis and aids. therefore it could be worse.

dont beat yourself up- its done now, move on
 
Why didn't he bring and use condoms???
Yeah, there's no way I'd not use a condom ever again!

I'm not sure who you're replying to? Me or Mami?

I know the one guy who I know who had sex with someone who is HIV+ he dated this guy and this was in the late 80s or very early 90s and at the time my friend assumed that if he met someone, they had a job, looked clean cut, and wanted to date and have a relationship that there was no way they could be HIV+. At the time they only had latex condoms and lambskin condoms, my friend is allergic to latex, and lambskin condoms don't protect against HIV.

The other bisexual and gay men I know who had sex with HIV+ men who didn't tell them that they're HIV+ until afterward, or they found out later were horny and didn't use condoms for anal sex and they were with people who said it was OK not to use them since they were "neg" when they really were HIV+.

This all happened decades before people were being charged with attempted murder or other things for being HIV+ and having sex with other people without telling them.

In the case of one guy I know who did a raw hookup with some guy he met online he told me how he did use a condom with the guy he was giving anal sex to but how that guy insisted that he take it off so my friend did that.

Yes, there are. ETA: They had a story on it on 60 mins I believe a while ago. Maybe like 10 years ago. It's been an issue for a while. My virology professor had a class on the issue.

@Priest, my virology professor went off on people who are HIV+ thinking it's OK to have sex with other HIV+ men. It's an eye opener, but I can understand if you don't have any educational background on the topic how you don't understand the risks.

What did he/she say about people who are HIV+ having unprotected sex with other people who are HIV+?

I tried to PM you but your inbox was full.
 
Ugh. Mami, I really like you girl, but this is fucked up. I don't care if everyone is diseased. I am not, and I don't want them. I don't want to go off on a tangent on you, but at least if you don't tell someone, make them use a condom. I don't blame him for being upset.

My sentiments exactly. It's wrong not to disclose this information before engaging in sexual activity. Dead wrong. It doesn't matter if so many people have HPV. Now this guy is never going to know for sure if he has HPV unless visible, large enough to see warts show up on him because there's no surefire way to test for it in males. He could have very small or flat warts that can't be noticed and he may end up spreading HPV to other women, and what if the strain is one that can cause cervical cancer?

This is a big deal and there's really no way to justify what happened. The guy really ought to have been informed beforehand. You didn't just make your problem this guy's problem. You've potentially made this a problem for any other people he sleeps with in the future.

You can't go back and erase this mistake, but you can do your best to make sure that it doesn't happen in the future. Please don't ever do this again. If prospective sexual partners can't accept that you have HPV then they're probably not worth sleeping with to begin with. There are plenty of people out there who would be understanding and there are even free dating websites for people who have HPV and other STD/STIs. People have the right to know and to decide whether or not they are comfortable engaging in sexual activities with you since you have HPV.
 
so. much. misinformation... please read:

CDC
Most people with HPV do not develop symptoms or health problems from it. In 90% of cases, the body’s immune system clears HPV naturally within two years.

Who Gets HPV?
•HPV is easily spread. Any genital contact with someone who has it puts you at risk—intercourse isn’t necessary.
•In the United States, an estimated 75% to 80% of males and females will be infected with HPV in their lifetime.
•Transmission of HPV happens to many people during their first 2 to 3 years of sexual contact.*
•Even if you already have a certain type of HPV, you could still be at risk for other types of HPV.

mami, how long has it been since you were diagnosed? most HPV, low-risk and high-risk infections, clear on their own within a few months to 24-months.

to the people that are spouting that they are "not diseased" - you only think that because you haven't shown any symptoms. if you are sexually active it is INCREDIBLY likely you have had/currently have/or will acquire HPV. how many of you, that have never been symptomatic, have ever told a sexual partner that there's as high as an 80% chance you have acquired HPV?

infection cannot be confirmed in men unless visible warts are present (low-risk HPV) and women are not tested unless a PAP comes back abnormal. HPV isn't included in a normal STD panel - a woman can request a test (for high-risk only; to my knowledge, there is no test for low-risk HPV) from her OB/GYN but under most circumstances, a doctor will discourage testing since healthy immune systems eradicate the virus after a short time with no ill-effects.

a number of years ago i was treated for low-risk HPV. i entered into a relationship two+ years after my diagnosis and didn't tell my partner, who is my current boyfriend. he never developed any symptoms, ftr. a few years into our relationship, i had a routine PAP come back abnormal due to a high-risk HPV infection (that i'd likely acquired from him). the abnormal cells were treated and i haven't had any unusual PAP tests or symptoms since. if i were to ever be single again, there's no way i'd ever tell someone i'd been diagnosed with low- or high-risk HPV.

to me, unless it's a recently diagnosed infection or one that's continually symptomatic due to a compromised immune system, it's akin to telling someone you'd once been infected with the flu... only with a lot more stigma.
 
What did he/she say about people who are HIV+ having unprotected sex with other people who are HIV+?

I tried to PM you but your inbox was full.

Oops. DOH! I need to clear that out. It's been about 6 years, so I don't remember hard details. He told us that there are already 25(?) strains in the infected human body, and the viral medication is targeted for you. When you get someone who is having sex willy nilly and just doesn't give a shit and has sex with other HIV+ people, you're playing with a retrovirus that mutates all the time. You put several strains together and it can be the death of you and others. I still have all of those textbooks, but I'm sure even now the data has changed.

I have an online friend whose GF is HIV+, and his GF is healthy and just had a baby. Unfortunately, one weekend they didn't get her medication (mail order), and for a month they were terrified that the virus was able to mutate. This is someone who is healthy, careful, and cares about her health, so it amazes me that people can be so careless with their health and purposely "mix" with other infected people, especially when they are A) gambling with someone else's health and B) they carry a deadly disease.
 
so. much. misinformation... please read:

CDC


Who Gets HPV?


mami, how long has it been since you were diagnosed? most HPV, low-risk and high-risk infections, clear on their own within a few months to 24-months.

to the people that are spouting that they are "not diseased" - you only think that because you haven't shown any symptoms. if you are sexually active it is INCREDIBLY likely you have had/currently have/or will acquire HPV. how many of you, that have never been symptomatic, have ever told a sexual partner that there's as high as an 80% chance you have acquired HPV?

infection cannot be confirmed in men unless visible warts are present (low-risk HPV) and women are not tested unless a PAP comes back abnormal. HPV isn't included in a normal STD panel - a woman can request a test (for high-risk only; to my knowledge, there is no test for low-risk HPV) from her OB/GYN but under most circumstances, a doctor will discourage testing since healthy immune systems eradicate the virus after a short time with no ill-effects.

a number of years ago i was treated for low-risk HPV. i entered into a relationship two+ years after my diagnosis and didn't tell my partner, who is my current boyfriend. he never developed any symptoms, ftr. a few years into our relationship, i had a routine PAP come back abnormal due to a high-risk HPV infection (that i'd likely acquired from him). the abnormal cells were treated and i haven't had any unusual PAP tests or symptoms since. if i were to ever be single again, there's no way i'd ever tell someone i'd been diagnosed with low- or high-risk HPV.

to me, unless it's a recently diagnosed infection or one that's continually symptomatic due to a compromised immune system, it's akin to telling someone you'd once been infected with the flu... only with a lot more stigma.

I understand what you're saying. However, to alot of us..this is still wrong.
What you do is up to you. But OP opened this up to public opinion.
She knew she had HPV. She knew she could infect him. She didn't tell him.
Apparently, you'd do the same.
But alot of us wouldn't. And alot of us would still like to be told, ahead of time,
whether our about-to-be sexual partner thinks it's noteworthy or not. I see it as
a matter of respect and choice...just like sex.

I know this is not what you meant..but when I read your
last sentence, I started thinking about the flu.
Whenever I'm unfortunate enough to catch the flu..
I really do always tell anyone I come in contact with.
I also kind of quarantine myself, trying as much as possible,
to stay away from the ppl I live with.
I always figure that it's bad enough that I've got it..
I'd prefer not to spread it to anyone else, if I can avoid it.
I see that as a matter of caring and respect too.

If I were in fact infected with HPV, and was aware of it, I would tell my sexual partners.
I'm not a virgin..so my chances are as bad as anyone else's.
I understand what you say, but I would take a different
approach. It doesn't mean I don't understand the numbers, or how likely it is that I may
one day be infected with it. I would just have to do what I thought was right..and what
I would want someone else to do for me.

HPV or the flu..just respect me enough to tell me.
<3token
 
i think a big difference that people have no acknowledged yet is how males cannot be tested. Its one thing to be a girl and know you have HPV, and knowingly spread that.. its another to be a guy and simply NOT know. I dont know if i have HPV, i probably do though, statistically. All men 'probably do' have it. Does that mean all men should, before having sex with anyone, bring up how they might have HPV? Seems retarded to me.
 
I think I was first diagnosed ca. 2007. I know for a fact that I have had different strains since then. Sadly there have been 2 periods in my life where heavy substance dependence was happening along with promiscuity. Then I will go for a long time in abstinence (both drugs and sex). (Incidentally, I sniffed a 5mg oxycontin from him that night. I had been clean for over a year from opiates.)

I obtained at least one or more new strains about a year ago.

I had been having abnormal pap smears from 2008-2010. It is questionable IMO but the last pap, 8 months ago was "Normal". 14 months ago, it was abnormal!

My insurance won't pay for more than 1 per year if it is normal. Even though it was abnormal for the prior 3 years.

Tomorrow I see the OB. I am 28. The CDC does not recommend an HPV test for women under 30 :! Over 26, so I can't get the HPV vaccine :!

Please, what can I say to convince my OB tomorrow to give me the HPV test? I don't care about paying out of pocket.

I told my friend I would get the strains tested. He is seeing an infectious disease doctor in 10 days. He has started HIV prophylactic meds. He is convinced that it takes 18 months to truly affirm HIV- status.

Sorry guys if this is hard to read, I have had a few drinks. I don't want to wait until the morning to edit. I need to get the strains tested and ASAP.
 
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Yeah, what a PITA the whole pap thing is. I've had to go back twice to the OB/GYN, because they said they didn't get a clear result. WAT? Jeez.

I didn't go back, because like you, my insurance company didn't pay for it. You have to get one for birth control, but damn those things suck. My last pap was fine, but the insurance company gave me shit about paying for it. Something about needing paperwork, because I switched doctors. I was pissed, and never did anything about it, so I have a doctor bill out here somewhere for $350, because I got my yearly pap with a new doctor.

Oh, the joys of being female. :)

I didn't mean to come down so hard on you, mami. It's tough when you know you fucked up, but there is nothing you can do to correct your actions. I think we've all been there.
 
I understand what you're saying. However, to alot of us..this is still wrong.
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She knew she had HPV. She knew she could infect him. She didn't tell him.
Apparently, you'd do the same.

it's frustrating that i need to restate this: for the GREAT majority of people, HPV clears on its own; a small percentage of people can have lingering infections, but it's often due to compromised immune systems. for the average, healthy person, HPV is NOT lifelong.

FOR YEARS, i have not exhibited symptoms. FOR YEARS all PAPs have come back normal and being that i'm 6 months pregnant, if there was an underlying infection, symptoms would emerge. like mami and other BL women, i'm of an incredibly small (and unlucky) percentage that ever knew i was infected.

If I were in fact infected with HPV, and was aware of it, I would tell my sexual partners. I'm not a virgin..so my chances are as bad as anyone else's.

i take it you're male - so you'd never know unless you developed visible genital warts from a low-risk infection. by your logic, shouldn’t you tell your partners that there’s an 8 out of 10 chance you were/are/will be infected with HPV? i mean, just because you don’t know for certain even though it’s HIGHLY probable, doesn’t mean you aren’t responsible for infecting other people - shouldn't you inform those people they may be at risk?!?!

HPV or the flu..just respect me enough to tell me.

having an ACTIVE flu virus and an ACTIVE HPV virus is very different from having the infections once long ago that can no longer hurt or affect anyone else. if you are aware that you have an ACTIVE HPV infection, and you have unprotected sex without telling the person of your ACTIVE HPV infection, yes – that’s wrong.

the key phrase here though is “if you are aware” since most people don’t know they have an active infection, will never know they ever were infected and cannot find out if they have an active infection much in the same way you can spread the flu a full day before you begin exhibiting symptoms.

I think I was first diagnosed ca. 2007. I know for a fact that I have had different strains since then.
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Please, what can I say to convince my OB tomorrow to give me the HPV test? I don't care about paying out of pocket.

I told my friend I would get the strains tested. He is seeing an infectious disease doctor in 10 days. He has started HIV prophylactic meds. He is convinced that it takes 18 months to truly affirm HIV- status.

i don't understand how you know you've had various new strains. when you have your PAP (only certain PAP tests; it depends on how they collect the cells) they can test the cells for HPV. i would just ask that despite whether your PAP is normal, you'd still like the sample tested for HPV. again, this test is for high-risk strains ONLY. to my knowledge there is no test for men or women, aside from visible inspection that determines the presence of genital warts which only occurs in a TINY portion of low-risk HPV infections. i'm unsure that they’ll be able to tell you what strains you’re infected with, but i'd be interested to know how that discussion goes.

really, you need to talk to your doctor about this stuff. most of the people on this board are entirely too ill-informed to be helping you with this issue. i've moved states and transferred OB/GYNs several times and they were always very helpful, informative and even nonchalant about it. yes - HPV infections can be serious which is why it's important get vaccinated, practice safe sex to help prevent HPV infections and have regular PAP (anal PAP tests are available) tests which can detect cervical changes that might be caused by an HPV infection.
 
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it's frustrating that i need to restate this: for the GREAT majority of people, HPV clears on its own; a small percentage of people can have lingering infections, but it's often due to compromised immune systems. for the average, healthy person, HPV is NOT lifelong.

FOR YEARS, i have not exhibited symptoms. FOR YEARS all PAPs have come back normal and being that i'm 6 months pregnant, if there was an underlying infection, symptoms would emerge. like mami and other BL women, i'm of an incredibly small (and unlucky) percentage that ever knew i was infected.



i take it you're male - so you'd never know unless you developed visible genital warts from a low-risk infection. by your logic, shouldn’t you tell your partners that there’s an 8 out of 10 chance you were/are/will be infected with HPV? i mean, just because you don’t know for certain even though it’s HIGHLY probable, doesn’t mean you aren’t responsible for infecting other people - shouldn't you inform those people they may be at risk?!?!



having an ACTIVE flu virus and an ACTIVE HPV virus is very different from having the infections once long ago that can no longer hurt or affect anyone else. if you are aware that you have an ACTIVE HPV infection, and you have unprotected sex without telling the person of your ACTIVE HPV infection, yes – that’s wrong.

the key phrase here though is “if you are aware” since most people don’t know they have an active infection, will never know they ever were infected and cannot find out if they have an active infection much in the same way you can spread the flu a full day before you begin exhibiting symptoms.



i don't understand how you know you've had various new strains. when you have your PAP (only certain PAP tests; it depends on how they collect the cells) they can test the cells for HPV. i would just ask that despite whether your PAP is normal, you'd still like the sample tested for HPV. again, this test is for high-risk strains ONLY. to my knowledge there is no test for men or women, aside from visible inspection that determines the presence of genital warts which only occurs in a TINY portion of low-risk HPV infections. i'm unsure that they’ll be able to tell you what strains you’re infected with, but i'd be interested to know how that discussion goes.

really, you need to talk to your doctor about this stuff. most of the people on this board are entirely too ill-informed to be helping you with this issue. i've moved states and transferred OB/GYNs several times and they were always very helpful, informative and even nonchalant about it. yes - HPV infections can be serious which is why it's important get vaccinated, practice safe sex to help prevent HPV infections and have regular PAP (anal PAP tests are available) tests which can detect cervical changes that might be caused by an HPV infection.

Nope...I'm female.
I understand what you say.
I'm not trying to argue with anybody.
I just have a different opinion.
<3token
 
^ forgive my argumentative tone and that i assumed you were male; it's only that i found your opinion to be one based in misinterpretations. if i wasn't clear, i agree that full-disclosure is necessary, but only when the issue could seriously and negatively affect another person. in the issue of a resolved HPV infection, imo, disclosure is unnecessary.
 
first rule of sex for guys is never ever believe women if they say theyre on the pill. Same thing for std's. And every exchange or shelter in the country gives condoms for free . He has noone to blame but himself. Only person who is responsible for your health is yourself.
 
^You're blaming the victim. That's never ok. You're an enabler, shame on you.
 
All sex acts involve (atleast) 2 people, so any consequence of consensual sex is the product of 2 peoples' actions.
Think of it this way, if a girl pregnent, they're both responsible.

A guy could never say "She told me she was on the pill" and not suffer the consequences. She could be lying, taking it wrong, not workng right; anything. The guy knows there's always a chance.
Same thing here , he was told "I'm clean, no stds". But there's always a chance . Could be lying, not know she's infected, incorrect test results: anything. The guy knows there's always a chance.

While it was irresponsible and mean to withhold the info she knew NOR insist on a condom, in the end (no pun) he didn't use a condom either. They both did foolish actions. While the OP is partly to blame, so is he. He is no victim. He valued sex over his health.

For someone ocd about stds, you think he would be more careful.
I was worried about impregnating girls, when single. I wore a condom everytime, regardless of what the girl said. (& yes ive actually said no if no condom.)Same reason I don't share needles, even if they tell me theyre clean.

I dont like to see anyone suffer , but I stand by my statement, The only person responsble for your health is yourself. If nothing else,they both will use condoms every time from now on.

@OP it was a bad decision, but not a malicious act so don't beat yourself up too much. I wish you and your friend the best
 
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In reality though, many people dislike condoms, dental dams, etc. I'm not debating the reasoning behind their use. They simply take a lot of the "fun" out of the skin on skin experience.

I assume that is why the OP decided it was okay to have unprotected sex with this poor fellow.

:)
 
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