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I think I solved my psychedelic puzzle.

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Today, I smoked Salvia with for the first time with 2 friends. And suddenly I hit the realisation: I've been here before.

You see, I've had about 4 or 5 experiences with MDMA, and each experience has left me with an odd feeling. Like I'd experienced something different from just the 'ecstasy' period of the MDMA, but at times I found my mind somewhere quite otherworldly. Enough so that trying to re-visit that state of mind past those events leaves me confused about the odd, deep sensation of mind and body that I was lapsing into at times.

And tonight, when I held in my few full lungs of strong salvia, I finally discovered it: this 'space' is my mind in psychedelia. This is the answer to what was happening when I use MDMA - I lull into some electric psychedelic trance-like state, my psychedelic mind.

It's an odd state: I don't know if mine's like yours. In mine, my vision (eyes closed or open) becomes a gradually exaggerated depiction of the dark fuzz you see when you close your eyes. And in this dark hall of dimly lit space, my thoughts, my own pestering ideas, populate the gaps with odd, short-lived psychological sensations and realisations. It's my mind unzipped and folded in on itself. It's remarkable.

So I'd love to know if anyone can relate to what I mean - or maybe I've helped you realise that 'zone' yourselves?

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Even the first time? That's what I'm trying to solve, I think I've been to that place a few times before, but never understood it until now. Those past experiences I'd been so confused by, they were exactly the same flavour as what I experienced tonight.
 
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Part of the paradox of psychedelia is the deja vous 'been here before' dream-like sensations :-) someti es you can remember feeling those heightened states from pieces of childhood, or from dreams, even if you've never tripped before. We are always connected to these 'higher references' of consciousness, so there seems to always be a familiarity when accessing these states. Unless you're tripping so hard that you forget what familiarity is lol.

I feel ya though, and really like your description...
'It's an odd state: I don't know if mine's like yours. In mine, my vision (eyes closed or open) becomes a gradually exaggerated depiction of the dark fuzz you see when you close your eyes. And in this dark hall of dimly lit space, my thoughts, my own pestering ideas, populate the gaps with odd, short-lived psychological sensations and realisations. It's my mind unzipped and folded in on itself. It's remarkable."

Dead on! :-) I like the poetic aspects of the decripton as well, helps to set the psychedelic mood for the scene lol....a dark hall of dimly lit space....lol hell yeah :-)

If you're interested you should check out meditations, and earn to access the 'uzipped mind' sober. Its a different experience, but if you're interested in pursuing the mysteries of conscioisess full-time I'd vastly reccommend it. I practice daily and have done so for 7 years...I've seen things and learned things meditating sober which I haven't accessed tripping even. The two exps are different, but a Yin to each others Yang....much value in plant teachers and personal treking from my experience.

Best of journies!
Blessings,
tUt
 
I experienced it on N2O. I suddenly had a flashback to this state of mind I fell into once when I was about six or seven years old after my teacher had explained I could hear the ocean from a conch shell. This state of mind was very clear and naive.

I don't recommend N2O. It's very addictive.
 
The First time I smoked Salvia I knew I had been there before and that it was how I existed before coming into this reality, being born. I'm still integrating my Salvia experiences, even after 3 years.
 
I love investigating the patterns of nature and occurrence and studying the correlation and simultaneous-parallels within my own being. I think its important to remember though, that everyone is being 'spoken to' in this sense, iT's just about who's tunig in. Bringing the 'ego' into the picture and dwelling on how ones self is at the center point being given messages can be distracting and irrelevant if one doesn't provide balance in acknowkedging that everyone is at the crossroads if eternity, not just ones self in the lucid state of acknowledging the spirit insight.

The reality patterns of sychronicity Always meet at You. There's always more to understand of the patterns, and there's always information to be derived from how these external patterns relate to your own internal processes. BUT, I feel that schizopherenic hyper-analysis of patterns roots in this same investigation, which is why I feel itS important to re-acknowledge the dynamics of anyone's connection to these reality patterns when being blown away by ones own connection.

My shamanic practices have helped me to understand the language of nature and its amazing to investigate in ones life!
Sun x moon x if you'd like to talk more abut reality patterns I'd love to chat on the topic sometime :-)
 
I know what you're talking about. I don't think it's your psychedelic mind, as much as it's a schizophrenic mind. I find that with any hallucinogenic drug I enter an enhanced state of thinking where, to the outside world, I would sound completely mentally insane. To me it's just the type of mindset I enter, and I found that with the more hallucinogens I do, the closer my 'sane' mind starts to blend with my 'insane' mind in the real world. What I'm saying is, it may sound interesting to experiment with this, but it is dangerous. Maybe it's just me though, maybe I'm just a little less than mentally stable and this is why. Be careful, and report back of you have any other thoughts on this, it is an interesting subject.
 
Yes I relate OP. Salvia makes me feel like a child again. The visuals are crazy but that's not relevant to the topic. I have an inferiority complex and for many years I tried shunning away my natural and childish feelings because I deemed them uncool and lame. So in the salvia space I become natural again but my ego hangs by a shred and dislikes it.

I have always unintentionally spaced out my strong salvia trips so that I kind of forget exactly how it felt. And when I do it again I return to the natural space and my ego's like "Oh no not this again I forgot this is what it's like. I don't like this it's so stupid". If I smoke enough to make my ego die then I barely remember anything (btw I believe the ego is directly tied to memory).

But yes I do believe that mindstate is close to our unconscious being, or our natural state, or what have you. I think it's close to "the real you", but I think the psychedelic patterns and what have you may just be side effects of the drug. My goal is to accept myself and stop caring what others think so I can enjoy the salvia space. Other psychedelics probably have the same capability but salvia is just so blunt about it.

Regarding phantom I believe all of society wants to label it as mentally insane and stay on the realm of the ego. Jung talked about this, how Western society wants to embrace the rational (ego) and make fun of the irrational (unconscious) while Eastern and ancient societies celebrated the irrational.
 
On mushrooms I sometimes feel that this is what it must have been when I was a kid, and in fact I then remember that, yes, it was exactly like this. But then other times I'll have a strong feeling of deja vu in a psychedelic state and not be able to connect it to any actual memory. I think what may be happening then is that you are remembering how you felt when the brain was really very young and worked in a different way (maybe before you learned to speak, or in infancy, or maybe even before that). Maybe the psychedelic state approximates that state in some way, and that's what causes the deja vu. Of course, it's totally possible that the deja vu is just a delusion and you are not really "remembering" anything. But that would be a boring explanation, imo.
 
every psychedelic i have ever tried, including the first times, i get the feeling "welcome back."

it's very strange! like some sort of cosmic deja vu.

i've tried to figure out why. i'm not sure i ever will.

i feel like there is more to material reality than we've explored/named, and there is something more to psychedelics than we understand so far. i want to say this is related to the cosmic deja vu. but here we arrive beyond the english language...
Salvia is a mu-opioid agonist, I believe - this is what is believed to cause the dysphoria and sense of doom.
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kappa not mu. if it was mu, it'd be euphoric.

salvia is definitely a weird one. my soul multiplied and divided and was squeezed through slabs and layers and gears. no words.
 
phantomcosmonaut said:
I know what you're talking about. I don't think it's your psychedelic mind, as much as it's a schizophrenic mind. I find that with any hallucinogenic drug I enter an enhanced state of thinking where, to the outside world, I would sound completely mentally insane. To me it's just the type of mindset I enter...
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Most people are sweeping this under the carpet of an 'assumed' experience, where I just connected some unrelated dots in a psychedelic headspace and drew a 'this must be' conclusion.

Let me give more of a back story:

About 2 months ago, I went to a big bass-music night in London. I consumed about 700mg of pure mdma (tested as such). At one point in the evening, zonked, I ventured to the toilet to go for a piss. Needless to say, I couldn't go - at all. I tried and tried. Then suddenly I was thrown into some odd world - my vision slowly become some electric world of nonsense. And then as quick as I'd found myself in it, I was shot back into the cubicle.

Last night, I fell into that same 'place' on Salvia.
 
Awesome thread! I can't really relate myself to it much but that's because my journey is yet to start. I wanted to ask if you get that feeling of "one" or that "something"? When I was younger I used to think about this as I felt there must be something more to life than what we see on the day to day basis. I've always felt like there was that "something" but never really knew how to explain it. When I tried talking about it, no one would really understand me. This was when I was quite young, early teens, maybe even younger. Now that I'm older there seems to be a mental block, I think meditating could possibly solve this but I don't really know where to start.
 
Definitely feel ya on the 'one' or 'something' sensation :-)
There's an angle of or frequency of conscioiusness where the connection between you and reality becomes seamless. The Living sensation of 'being in the now' comes to me through my meditations as well as trips.

I really dig the feeling that mushrooms leave me with.....one of having caught sight of the cosmic mystery, having seen things so powerful that only specks of its glory can be brought back to the unenlightened mind, lest I be crushed under the magnitude of Solid Truth so divine. Feels like scooby doo mysteries for the following weeks after a psikocybin breakthrough...lol, the secrets are right around the corner, life gains a mysterious and puzzling allure. Inspires me to examine the world and truly take action in my growth. Helps me to see the art in the mundane as well which is beautiful :-) blessed be :-)
 
unkn0wn75 said:
Awesome thread! I can't really relate myself to it much but that's because my journey is yet to start. I wanted to ask if you get that feeling of "one" or that "something"? When I was younger I used to think about this as I felt there must be something more to life than what we see on the day to day basis. I've always felt like there was that "something" but never really knew how to explain it. When I tried talking about it, no one would really understand me. This was when I was quite young, early teens, maybe even younger. Now that I'm older there seems to be a mental block, I think meditating could possibly solve this but I don't really know where to start.
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Today I tried Salvia for the second time. I stepped outside (I can no longer smoke indoors, which is awful) and lit a pipe of the extract, and held it deep. Then I felt myself say, from deeper than I might usually 'speak' to myself - "Put the pipe down now". "Open the door now". I stepped inside, the world slightly fluttering in my vision, my gravity swayed towards my bed, "Swig that water and go", sipped some water, and curled up on my bed.

This time my thoughts were less about me and odd chatter going on in my mind, bit more like I was commentating a speech between myself and Salvia. Actually, it was one sided, I would assume a feeling like "This isn't respectful" and then feel humbled at the idea.

It was very enjoyable, I love watching my vision slowly adapt, and then collapse. It's fairly beautiful.
 
When I did salvia my friends voices got really squeaky like what would happen on dmt and tunnel vision then i closed my eyes and there were patters nobs buttons and gages that i would never understand
 
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I wish I could solve my psychedelic puzzle...
I read lots of books, took lots of trips, knew everything that there was to know, knew so-much more than other people that I didn't even read what they had written with much attention... In the past, that was.
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Then I was tripping on AMT for 3 days straight - little if any sleep - reading a book (The Invisible Landscape - McKenna).
Suddenly everything that I was reading seemed as though it had been written just for me - to tell me something; but I knew that that was crazy behavior - it was 'the drugs' - even though it felt like a 'revelation' at the time. [And I'm talking about a true 'revelation' - not just a profound personal understanding, feelings of 'enlightenment' etc. It soared above all of those 'revelations that I had had in the past.

The subject matter of the book wasn't really helping me get back to reality, so I bought a newspaper - it was as though the paper had altered to suit me too, and spoke to me personally (but by using words to hide messages in plain view, which noone else could 'see'. This went on for days, and hasn't totally gone now. But now I see that everything that everyone says or does makes absolutely perfect sense to me. Except 'most' people have seemed strange to me my whole life, almost. Maybe I had a inferiority-complex - but now I'm just myself, and everyone seems dim-witted - I've now got a superiority complex - yet I seek assurances that I am ok by comparing with other people that I don't even know on here; which seems paradoxical and stupid for a person with a superiority complex - maybe I'm sitting on the fence - balancing!
Even now I'm not sure quite what has happened - I am not a naive user who has been overwhelmed by 'ego death' - that happened to me about 7 years ago. I don't think it's just me, because other people are on-here saying similar things; annd there are people in the archives that have this same 'break' from the past; and try to communicate it without success. I'm almost afraid to say what I actually believe has happened; because it would be so-terrible if it were true. But it would only be a theory that I couldn't prove anyway!

I wonder, and hope, that nothing at all has happened except in my my own mind - or if something has triggered a 'leap' of consciousness within me, which can only be expressed so that, to other people, it sounds absolutely crazy.
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3 days with little sleep, maybe you were starting to think you solved the puzzle. Delusional thoughts from lack of sleep...
 
Been a while since i've done shrooms, since they were stupidly made class A in the UK and i miss them. I used to grow cubensis and trip once a season I miss being in that space and seeing the world in all it's fractal coloured patterned glory. I wish to come home to that headspace where the world is coherent yet very different from the perceived norm. So i suppose this homesick feeling is the converse of the familiarity feeling. All trips you do are linked since they all happen in the same brain
 
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