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Drugs in front of kids?!?

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Yes, exactly my point. One should require probable cause before undertaking enforcement action. Nothing I seen posted in this thread meets the definition of probable cause within my jurisdiction as per the training I have received.
 
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Basic principles of law are separate from politics in the meaning of the executive branch of Government. The basic ideas such as probable cause have existed in many countries under many regimes for hundreds of years, and still exist in a large fraction of the worlds 150+ countries. At least on paper.
 
Alex000 said:
I am glad to hear that his kids will not be taken from him, though I don't think CPS should have gotten involved in any way. I don't doubt he can kick it, but he may very well relapse. If he does relapse, I still urge you to leave him be with his kids unless they truly are subject to clear and present danger.
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Believe me, I will let him be with his kids. It's not as if I've embroiled myself in his domestic life. What freaked me out was when he brought his kid along to my house and told him he was doing 'his medicine'. Plus giving him a puff on his cigarette. I came on here a while ago looking for advice on how to help him clean up and the suggestions of NA sadly fell on deaf ears. Rangrz, I understand that given your occupation your probably used to seeing the darker side of life (no pun intended) on a regular basis. I'm not. It's not as if I was looking for an excuse to take his kids away from him. The disabled kid's social worker was starting to get a bit sus of him anyway and if she had said something the shit could really have hit the fan. He works as a builder and is quite good, done some work for me actually. In terms of him staying off the gear, he's been off before for long periods of time. Recently is the worst I've seen him and given what happened at Christmas (his partner dying) I can understand. He's said himself he needed time to 'sort his head out' so looks like he's got that now. BTW I studied law and while I find it intellectually stimulating to see phrases like actus reus and mens rea in a thread I started, it's quite hard to watch a friend killing himself and possibly endangering others. Although as my law tutor told me on the first day "There's no correlation between morality and the law." Possibly why I didn't pursue a career in the law!
 
Idk, doesn't seem like much different than seeing your parents blackout drunk/passed out with a bottle/stumbling and slurring and shit. Hell maybe its even better than that because the child might just think he's smoking like a person smokes ciggarrettes.

Kids see a lot of shit growing up.. I'm sure they'll be fine as long as he isn't sticking a needle into himself infront of them. My dope dealer constantly has his kids in his car. One time his daughter or one of her friends handed me the heroin after I gave him the cash. Who am I to judge how he raises his kids?
 
^^ Sorry, but how can you not see anything wrong with that situation?????


captaincaveman, I'm glad to hear that a bit of progress has been made, I wish your pal all the best for the coming week. And I'll be interested to hear how things pan out after he comes back home.
 
It's a lot worse for the kids to be separated from their father than anything else he could possibly do to them (from what I read, he actually does care about his kids & shit, not like he's the abusive type of a parent), who the hell would suggest calling CPS?
 
I think youve done the right thing OP...I really hope all goes well in his immediate future...Hes VERY lucky to have you mate...You have probably saved him from a shitload of further hell, when he already has more than enough to deal with... People keep saying that "its what he does after detox", and this is true, BUT shit mate, He is there and i think thats the hardest step to make.
I would <3 to hear an update in a week or so...Good on you Capt, you sound like a friend id like to have ifn you wernt on da otherside of the world!!
 
So letting his 3 year old take drags off his cig, while he's smoking heroin in front of them, and finding it hilarious, is cool in your book?

I would call CPS, after all of you would not. ..Drastic measures imo. After the back and forth I had with rangrz in this thread though, I really changed my mind on that. Read through the whole thread?
 
Me DexterMeth?...Fuck no!!! No way is what he did OK at all....But i am glad the OP who knows him personally, decided to get others involved first and not CPS...

Smoking in the same room,car or any confined space is not on when a child is around.....It is illegal here now and so it should be...

Sorry DexterMeth...Now i see we posted at the same time!!!
 
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OpiateGuy said:
Who am I to judge how he raises his kids?
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Exactly.

It is my opinion that if this person is truly your friend then you spend time speaking to them and voice your opinion directly to them and try to get across how much you care for them
and how deeply it is concerning you, without involving any outside organisation.

I would like to ask miss kirsty if she would ever be able to consider the person who had her child separated from her a friend.

I would also like to ask captaincaveman why he let his friend use the drugs in front of his kid in his house and not say anything at the time?
 
Sadly, him kicking it himself with a bunch of benzos...probably isn't it going to go too far.

He has a high chance of relapsing and I doubt this alone will be a long term solution.

I'm sure he has underlying issues along with addiction and without getting to those core issues... I see him back at square one sooner or later.
 
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simon.darcourt said:
Exactly.

I would like to ask miss kirsty if she would ever be able to consider the person who had her child separated from her a friend.
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Hi simon, No i wouldnt. As she lied point blank and almost destroyed my family..Having a child taken out of your arms who is hysterical and screaming mummy mummy, while a cop capsicum sprayed me and and sat on my back with my arms behind me under his 160 kg dirty stinking pig body, sorry...I get carried away...It fucking sucked anyway and she was a friend of mine for 12 years..I could never be friends with an evil bitch like her...and i am doing whatever i can to have her charged!.My 8 year old STILL runs and hides when someone knocks on our door and its been a year!!...If i go ANYWHERE for mental help i am at risk of having it used against me in the future..This piece of shit ALMOST ruined us..If it wernt for a judge who saw it for what it was immediately i could still be fighting to get her back to this day, like hundreds of other people...These government assholes answer to no-one and are a law unto themselves...
Her removal had nothing to do with drugs, i just want to say that...
 
^wow, Miss Kirsty, that sounds horrible! I am so sorry that you had to go through that and I am sure that your daughter is traumatized--how could she not be? It sickens me to read stuff like this. I hope that you both get counseling to help you through the lingering effects of such a traumatic experience.
 
Morning Herbavore, Thank you for your compassion lovely lady <3...Unfortunayely i am considered one of the "lucky" ones!...I am very "lucky" This happened and i didnt lose her forever..I been dwelling on this a bit lately...it was last April the 5th when i returned home from shopping and the police and docs or cps (whatever you call em) were on my front lawn...A friday...last of school for her..I had just sold my shop and was looking forward to the first holiday we were ever having together without my being a "nightshift working-mum"..

Shit ive hi-jacked again!!! Sorry....The story is really bad and i dwell on it heaps... I am the administrator of a site that helps people recover from having their child stolen..(if you ever can)..There are thousands...Thanks Herby...You have started my day off nicely..Sorry OP...I really detest CPS as they nead to focus on helping the family and the parents but if you knew what a "fostered" child is worth to the system each and every week they are in it, you understand why these government run agencies are in a huge need for a massive fucking inquest! And the fact that many many people "foster children" for the money and the money only...

This is not ment about legit foster carers. Im not generalising and saying ALL carers are assholes..We need them badly, but we all need a world wide overhaul of the systems that run them..


Opps i went off again didnt I?...
 
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Dexter is right this is nothing to joke about. This is most likly gonna cause damages in the soical life of the kid. Of corse the kid doesnt know whats going on but he/she will soon understand. Also this will always follow the child. If he/she were 2 yeah it woulnt be a big deal because they absolutly rember nothing then but with 3 I got my first memorys and if my first memory was my dad with a joint or some other type of drug it would siriously haunt me for a life time. If I were you I wouldnt call yet id give him one last chance. Make him chose between drugs and his children ask him what more important. If he chooses the drugs call the CPS. If hes not able to stop call CPS + Rehab. Most likly hes gonna hate you for that but Im sure he will soon understand that you were only helping.
 
You should tell him its fucked up that he tried to give the kid a drag... tell him how the behavior makes you feel , like even about how you're tempted to call CPServices ... but in all honesty - in other cultures they do that sort of shit ALL the time... he probably loves his kids, and he knows he should get sober... and he might one day. but I would honestly not interfere... Don't make assumptions.


I have my friends mother/father who accidentaly got pregnant.... they have a beautiful little girl now who is 3... They used to have issues doing "drugs" and alcohol around their baby girl.... now they are much more careful... someone almost reported them. . but they are really great people and really great parents.
 
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