Scottish Speedballin'

[simon.darcourt]

Hi sorry if this is a repost but i've used the search function and cant get anywhere.


ok I've been shooting/chasin' H for a while now like 18 months on and off, never more than 3 days and always at least a week break
between shooting up.

but although I am being (imo) smart about my drug abuse

some people just have a screw loose or hedonistic tendencies that are hard to shake,
and when in a drug scene there are so many new drugs that pop up all around
that my cats not used too or even heard about but ingested anyways diaz, tems, zops, loraz.

so anyway last week percy was in the drug spot gettin his H off his dawg when an announcement was made that there was
crack in the room so lickety split, split lickety the crack pipe was out
(small bottle with biro pen for smoke pipe , foil with holes and ash and shotgun hole) and the H was getting chased.

it was pretty good, was only my second time trying crack but im pretty sure the purity of both the h and c are really shit
(scottish abode)

anyways i'm craving for the speedball and im gonna get the ingredients within the next couple of days
(good old UK 24/7 clinics) and was hoping for advice.

1. if i usually hit 0.1 of H how much crack would i need to put in.

2. how much citric acid should I use.. i usually use less than half a satchet for the 0.1, but my gut feeling says use a full satchet for
a speedball since i've read that it takes more acid to dissolve the crack and adulterants than the h and adulterants.

3. how to get a decent crack pipe in the uk? all the info online is all about glass flower stems and copper brillo, which I have no idea where to get in scotland.

any info greatly appreciated.

 

[Allein]

I'd edit the above we don't brother with all that my cats brother in laws friends dog bit here, we know its you and it doesn't offer you any thing in the way of protection legally. the mods will just go in and change it or ask you to do so so best to do it yourself.

I've no the experience to answer your specific questions, I'm sure some will chime in and help, but if you manage to keep a lid on H and Crack use someone should get a sample of your DNA for future cloning use

 

[Tripman]

Wise words ATM.

Your cat did not take heroin.

In future please refrain from posting things twice in separate places. I noticed you also posted this in the OD speedball megathread which is where it is more appropriate. I understand however that you probably wont receive many answers in there and will leave this open.

Please read the megathread though, as it does answer many of your questions...

 

[Sepher]

1. if i usually hit 0.1 of H how much crack would i need to put in.

Very hard to say. It all depends on how much coke is in the rock but probably 0.1g is a good place to start. So long as it's not been completely stamped on you should certainly feel it. I'd do up to 0.3g in a single shot, either on its own or in a speedball but that was pretty bloody stupid and too much sometimes. Wouldn't recommend you go anywhere near that, now or in future.

Don't be tempted to do a higher than normal dose of the H so as to be sufficiently felt under the coke, cos when the coke crashes all you're left with is a higher then normal dose of H in your system and that way lies overdose territory.

2. how much citric acid should I use.. i usually use less than half a satchet for the 0.1, but my gut feeling says use a full satchet for
a speedball since i've read that it takes more acid to dissolve the crack and adulterants than the h and adulterants.

How much citric to use is dictated by how much bicarb there is bulking the rock out. I'm saying bicarb because that seems to be more common IME than ammonia washed stuff, mainly cos it adds weight. The bicarb will cancel out the citric preventing you reacting the crack. Just start low. You'll probably get a fizz at first and the water won't clear, so just keep adding a bit more citric a few grains at a time and grind some more till it comes clear. It can take a surprising amount of citric to get there if the crack is poor quality but if you add slowly and don't go mad you should avoid making the solution too acidic.

Use cold water to dissolve the rock on its own completely first, then add the H and give it as little heat as possible. You might find you need a touch more citric to dissolve the H, often I'd find the solution was already acid enough to not require more if I'd been a bit heavy handed.

 

[Pjkt2501]

^ If the above solution does become to acidic, is it not out of line to add baking soda to raise the pH more toward basic / neutral?

I figure it makes sense, but doesn't hurt to ask as I've never personally done this. (I don't IV or use crack, not that it matters if others do - free will and all that )

Also - as atm said:

...but if you manage to keep a lid on H and Crack use someone should get a sample of your DNA for future cloning use

Just sayin'. Be safe.

 

[Sepher]

I suppose in theory you could pjkt, so long as you don't go too far the other way but in practice the only way you're gonna know if you've gone mad with the citric is when you start to shoot it and it burns your vein to buggery and you're not likely to take it out and put it back onto a spoon with some bicarb, especially when there's blood in it after registering. I'd just grit my teeth and bear it as I trickled in real slow to try and let it dilute into the blood more easily, reminding myself to be less heavy handed in future.

 

[stuckinaloop]

I called the cops on you and said you are feeding your cat dope and coke. BAD boy bad bad boy./

 

[farmaz]

I called the cops on you and said you are feeding your cat dope and coke. BAD boy bad bad boy./

LMAO

tbh if you can find decent b in the uk your a more lucky man than I am.

3. how to get a decent crack pipe in the uk? all the info online is all about glass flower stems and copper brillo, which I have no idea where to get in scotland

It is easy to make 1, use an asthma inhaler or a old medicine bottle with the holes burned in with a Cigarette.

 

[Allein]

3. how to get a decent crack pipe in the uk? all the info online is all about glass flower stems and copper brillo, which I have no idea where to get in scotland

You go to Google select UK only and type in "how to make a crack pipe" fek me there is even a power point presentation on the various options

 

[nsauce]

You cant just buy crack pipes in convenience stores like you can in the US ?

 

[simon.darcourt]

Ok

, done it yesterday got a half teenth and one 0.3g rock, and it was good but I must of messed up somewhere.

i dont know exact weights of what i had so its hard to tell, but not too high a tolerance.


okay got about 1/4 of the crack rock crushed into powder, about 0.15 of H, one full satchet of citric and 0.7ml of clean water in the cooker, so start to put a bit of heat to it and mixin
it with a matchstick but had to apply the flame to the cooker for ages to get most of it melted,

then i put my filter in the cooker and drew up into the 1ml needle, but there was still sum white precipitate at the bottom of the cooker but my friends were gettin anxious, so i just left it
anyways done this twice same thing twice, I wish i'd of read sephers post before I done it but to be honest i done it before he posted haha.


so i think i went wrong by putting everything in the spoon at the same time, and the crack will be crap, so sepher thanks for the post i'll try it next time.

also, never felt a coke rush but the H seemed to carry on all night, so there was something, but nothing like if id of just smoked my bit of crack.


cheers.

 

[Sepher]

You might wanna edit the bit that looks like a price, but I'm assuming you had somewhere around 0.2 - 0.3g to start with. Quarter of that should easily have been enough to feel something of a coke rush with anything even remotely half-decent, though I never bothered with anything less than about 0.1 - 0.15g. Where you went wrong was trying to force it to dissolve with heat. That won't work. Turning the coke back from a non-soluble base to an injectable salt is all about the acidity of the solution. Sounds like you left a good bit behind on the spoon cos you'd not managed to react it properly.

Did you get a fizz? Bicarb-made crack will fizz when you put the citric to it, the fizzing stops once you've neutralised the bicarb and the solutions at least neutral going acidic. Doing the cold-water + citric thing first makes it a lot easier to tell whether you've reacted it enough cos the fizzing stops and the solution comes clear. A lot harder to spot the right time to stop adding citric when you've got H and crack together on the same spoon as you heat.

 

[Allein]

You cant just buy crack pipes in convenience stores like you can in the US ?

No way, it would have to be online and then this is the closest thing I could find to what you guys generally use#

Not sure why you can buy a multitude of hash pipes, some market traders sell pipes and stuff but many get told to remove them from there stalls by the market inspectors. Not sure about certain areas of London like Camden you might get one there a there are many head shops in one small area

 

[simon.darcourt]

Firstly thanks for the info again,



Well I get the basic engineering principles of crack pipes, and most pipes for that matter,
but what I meant was (maybe i've not searched enough) when trying to find british peoples reports of DIY crack pipes I can't really find much information like
is there any shops (B&Q, Tesco etc.) in the UK that sell glass/metal tubes which are pretty much perfect for making a good hard hitting crack pipe.

Also is there any UK shops that sell stainless steel or copper mesh which is pretty much prefect for a crack pipe?

As I said, I have already searched online for this information but most of it out there is garbage. (for my accessibility to items mentioned.)


@sepher yeah quite a bit of fizz

Ok so if I ever do a speedball again you would recommend coke then add cold water, then slowly add the citric (mixing all the while) until the solution turns clear?

http://www.exchangesupplies.org/shopdisp_C114.php?page=briefing <--- these are the sachets we have, I cant find a mass/weight of citric per sachet anywhere on the site, but it does say one
should be enough to dissolve 1g of H (dont know the research or purity this information is based on)

Also would it be advisable to first draw up the coke solution (through filter) into the syringe, then cook the H and draw up (through filter) into the same syringe the coke solution is already in?

I wouldn't really want to be IV'in 2 or 3 sachets of that stuff in a 0.7ml solution, maybe scottish speedballin' just isn't viable for me until some real nice coke turns up.



cheers

 

[Allein]

^^^

You're quite right, I don't do crack myself but have seen it being used countless times and its always been the inhaler / bottle tin foil method with fag ash.
I've never seen the classic American glass tube used once??? I'll have a secondary tinternet rummage

....Try Ebay matey

 

[simon.darcourt]

Yeah I've smoked crack twice with the bottle tin foil fag ash method, but the real crackheads use a wee short pipe that looks like it would be way more effective.

There's a documentary called dope sick love filmed in NYC, theres some pretty interesting shit in that, you can see them all with their crack pipes some of them look 2 inches long,
now i'd imagine that'd be the real way to smoke a bit of crack, no?

^^ now that looks like some hard hittin shiznit.

 

[Allein]

Like I said Flea Bay, there looked some likely candidates on there, but nothin at any online headshops

 

[Sepher]

@sepher yeah quite a bit of fizz

Ok so if I ever do a speedball again you would recommend coke then add cold water, then slowly add the citric (mixing all the while) until the solution turns clear?

Not with powder Coke cos then you won't need the citric ( The HCl powder will dissolve in cold water all by itself ) but with Crack exactly that, yes.

http://www.exchangesupplies.org/shop...?page=briefing <--- these are the sachets we have, I cant find a mass/weight of citric per sachet anywhere on the site, but it does say one should be enough to dissolve 1g of H (dont know the research or purity this information is based on)

Couldn't tell you how much citric I ever put to a given weight of H, or Crack. It was always done by eye, starting low. If H, I'd add a bit and see if it cooked clear. If not, I'd add a bit more and reheat. Same with crack. Start low, and add bit by bit to the cold water solution till it looked right.

Also would it be advisable to first draw up the coke solution (through filter) into the syringe, then cook the H and draw up (through filter) into the same syringe the coke solution is already in?

I wouldn't really want to be IV'in 2 or 3 sachets of that stuff in a 0.7ml solution, maybe scottish speedballin' just isn't viable for me until some real nice coke turns up.

Yes. In theory that would be better, so that you're not heating the Crack solution up and forcing cuts to dissolve but if you're using 1ml pins you'd have to get your rock to dissolve in less than half a ml, draw that up, then get your H to cook up with less than half a ml, draw that up. Not sure that's practical, depending on how much of either you're using. Didn't seem to work when I tried it, and I was reluctant to go up to bigger pins with a big, fat brute of a needle on the end of 'em.

Remember that the citric is gonna be cancelled by the bicarb, the products of that reaction I think being reasonably safe to inject ( I'm no chemist but Sodium Citrate, water and Hydrogen???? ) so even if you need to use a lot, you're not gonna be shooting too acidic a solution, so long as you go easy.

 

[simon.darcourt]

Remember that the citric is gonna be cancelled by the bicarb, the products of that reaction I think being reasonably safe to inject ( I'm no chemist but Sodium Citrate, water and Hydrogen???? ) so even if you need to use a lot, you're not gonna be shooting too acidic a solution, so long as you go easy.

Good point! I dropped the ball on that one.

Cheers for all the replies, I definitely think there's a lot of good info in this thread.

%):D

 

[fluxy]

dont be too scared to put in too much citric either to get results. you can tolerate a lot of it in a shot. just my 2c