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Regional Heroin Discussion v13: Points of reference

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Wicked ,
Thanks for taking it up with the other mods Eff, we have a very sensible crowd of regulars/lurkers in the H thread and I'm pretty sure the piss won't get took.
And if people do start , we will pull the fuckers up before it even gets to you guys.
I'm well pleased , iv found it very frustrating all the other threads talking £ , and us not being able to say we payed £20 for a score bag.
Thanks again Effie enjoy your weekend. X.
 
No problem :) yeah tis nice to be consistent, and I'm sure it will be okay too!

Enjoy your weekend as well :D
 
I'm in favour of us being able to speak of "getting a bag for £X" but it purely was, when the drought started, there were far too many chancers asking where to get good product.
But yea - If you guys can help out and report any members who are pushing it then it'd be:
1. A massive help, and...
2. Make it able for us to speak of prices on a bag-to-bag basis.

So yes :) I'm up for it, just gunna wait for the other mod's minds to come through.

Cheers strungout - It's good to know that you'll help us out if it comes to it being needed ;)
And, if the "motion is passed", then I hope the rest of you lovely folk will act accordingly and report any would-be chancers
:)~<3
 
YAY!!! :) I'm delighted to see this thread having the same rules as all the other threads again!!! :)

Well sorted out by Strungout & Effie!!! :) To-day the drought thread.... tomorrow the world...... <3

Fair play to the pair of yous! <3 & yes i will & i'm sure everyone else will be happy to make sure that the thread stays with-in the EADD rules! The last thing any of us want to do is mess up this thread or incriminate our selves!!! Thanx guys!!! XXX :) :) :)
 
Im not sure its the price thats so interesting as the amount of gear that it pays for i.e im getting pretty nice gear for a score and its 3 points.I was getting 10/10 gear up toi a coiuple of weeks ago that ws .12 ish for a tenner.
 
got in late last night and after 40hrs on the road needed me bed
plead guilty but to passing my phone and bank card to the dealer or the runner
and guilty to posession of clonazepam and growing 2 fucking plants
fact is the judge works from guidelines and even as me being at the lowest level,we are looking at 5years-then we have to start shaving them off.I had to plead guilty to something cos i really can't have them digging any further.
sentencing has been set for fri 13th april
in the meantime i have to get probation reports
the judge doesn't want to factor in my mental health issues
I know they are gonna throw the book at me
I'm so fucked-was ready to jump out of the fire door54 on the bus on the way home
thought about doing a runner-skipping the country
desperate times
I am no criminal and they will spot that right away when i get to jail
i will be eaten alive
plus i have that meth rattle to look forward to
 
Ahh Kat I'm so sorry to hear that! That's terrible that they won't consider your mental health issues :( hang in there love <3

Okay guys, re the pricing - just wanted to reiterate what has been said above really. The reason prices weren't allowed was to prevent all the sneaky sourcing/dealing which not only jeopardised this thread existing (and we really want to keep it going!) but Bluelight as a whole - EADD is the only forum on the whole site which allows price discussion to my knowledge so we have to show to the site as a whole that it isn't causing any problems or we may not be permitted to continue to do this.

So: prices are allowed here but for small amounts only, be very careful not to incriminate yourself, and for the reasons outlined above if there is any attempts to sell/source/discuss bulk/taking the piss we'll have to revert back. The aim of this thread is to discuss the current heroin situation but above all prevent harm, so lets keep the focus on discussing bash, gear full of barbs or benzos etc, sharing your experiences to help others as well as supporting one another of course.

As monsta said if people could use the report button (top right) if anyone is doing any of the above it would be much appreciated and help us to keep things running smoothly here so the thread can continue to be helpful for everyone. Thanks guys :)
 
what I cannot get my head around is that they are saying I did all this in 2011
I think everyone here knows that during the past year a person has been lucky to be able to buy a bag of decent gear let alone an Oz
 
@ kat

If that's how you feel /see things , don't give them a guilty, fight it.
You ain't a dummy , you can still turn things around.
But don't give it up mate.
Don't do there job for them.

Hope your ok yoursef kat !
 
Hi Katt, i hope your ok, <3 i wish i knew more about the legal system but i'm afraid i don't. But if you reckon that the police have the wrong dates does that mean that maybe you could get off on a technicality? I wish i knew more about it!

Strungout is right, stay strong & fight the bastards, do everything you can! I wish there was something that i could do/say to help. If you ever want a chat i'm always here for you!

Surly there are enough real criminals to fill up the prisons with out hassling you! The main thing is to stay strong! XXX <3
 
I think im not breaking any rules in what im about to say!

Before 2 weeks ago before the last decent geeza went offline, good mate of my had chatted to a few yardies and they said to him that they could get their hands on better gear, but they were not willing to pay the prices. I believe they could have been paying up to double the price......

Its made me think, do you think at some point the price of a .2 has to go up from 10 pounds to 15? Because if not all you will get is weights like you do in oxford which are probs .15 at BEST, but that leaves you feeling scammed.

Im not quite expressing what I mean very well......

Still not scored for over a week, I really am refusing to even bother until I hear the phone go off from a reliable fellow user :)
 
Drug Testing: My Boyfriends drug test was positive for benzos this week, but he hadn't taken any!!! He has super fast metabolism & he hadn't even used heroin in 13 days so he should have been clean! He was clean for heroin but dirty for benzos.

The other clinic i was in used to send our sample to the lab to be tested, the clinic we're in now does that dip test. The Doctor knew by my boyfriends face that he was shocked by the result. We use heroin one week & then stay clean the next, so my BF has been giving clean samples for months! Coz of my slow metabolism i've been caught out loads of times!

Anyway he said to the Doc "no way this test is bollox" then him & the Doc talked for ages. In the end the Doc said the the tests can be 'over sensitive' at times!!! He said that the test can sometimes mistake methadone for benzos??? The Doc said he has a personal friend who uses the tests himself & his friend has 'often' got a false reading!!! & thats what a Doctor says!!! Holy Crap! What hope do we have if even the Doctors even say the drug tests can give false readings??? :?

Imagine you needed this drug tests to prove your clean for the courts? That could really mess someones life up!!!
 
what I cannot get my head around is that they are saying I did all this in 2011
I think everyone here knows that during the past year a person has been lucky to be able to buy a bag of decent gear let alone an Oz

That sounds very very odd you need your brief to look at this - people have got off for far less fucked up paperwork- seriosly Kat get on it , you cant be charged with offences that didnt happen when they said they did, this is your best chance if you ask me. Get the all the p/w your self if necessary and check the dates
 
That's why i asked you how mucu confidence you had in your solicitor.I thought you were on medication for split personality disorder.That,s got to be the biggest factor,how isn't that important in the judges eyes Kat?
 
I am being treated for paranoid schizophrenia and have been for a long time which is not the same as split personality but was hoping they would take this into account
 
I have decided that there is no way I can afford to keep my stuff in storage all the time I am away so I am having a house clearance sale.
So,if you know anyone in the midlands who needs anything for their house,they should contact me.
much of it will be free to collector or maybe ask for a donation.just don't want to take all the good items to the tip.
Please spread the word if you know of anyone

also anyone that wants to keep in touch when i go(friday april 13th),you need to add me on facebook before then and then msg my mom who will pass on details.
if you are not on facebook and don't want to be,i have a few friends on here who are on my facebook and would most likely post on here about them
 
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Kkat don't be in such a hurry to get rid of your belongings, you may very well be staying in your flat. Have you got someone there to support you? A family member or close friend? You can't handle all of this on your own, you really need someone to lean on.

Could you not just have all you belongings packed up & if the worse comes to the worse could someone else deal with all that if/when the time comes? You just can't handle all of this on your own, its too much stress/pressure on you! You need to concentrate on winning your court case! If anyone offers you help then make sure that you Take It!!!

I know its hard & who am i to tell you how to feel, but try stay positive! Don't let the bastards win, put up a fight! If the very worst comes to the worst then you don't want to waste your last few weeks of freedom worrying your self sick, try relax & enjoy every day! Research the law as much as you can, i hope your lawyer is doing a good job, if not maybe you could borrow or get a loan off someone to get a better lawyer?

A good lawyer should fight your case. I don't know why, but i have a really good feeling that you'll be going back home after your court date! I wish i could do or say something to help, i wish i was rich so i could get you the best lawyer in the whole of England! But i am here for you if you ever need a chat! <3

Maybe if you tell friends & family that you need their help & support! Surly if needed they could divide your belongings up & store them for you. Don't be ashamed to ask for help! you just can't deal with all this on your own! You need support NOW & after the court case you can show your appreciation to people who helped you! You can be there for them Then but Now its You thats needs all the help & support!!! <3

Look into finding out if the police are after messing up the dates of the offenses, if so they may have messed the whole case up!!! :)


Dublin Up-Date
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I have been scoring since Thursday night (so much for not using!!!) No change at all in the gear, it is still very weak! I haven't taken my methadone since Wens, its great to have a break from that awful stuff!!! The gear is holding me well, but its not getting me stoned! GURrrrr..... its a real head wreck! More fool me for buying it!!!! Can i give the price of a gram? Or is it only points we can give prices on? (i thought it safer to check first!)
 
Sorry Kat for my ignorance,i've been to prison because of a crap breif you're a nice person ,look out for yourself
 
Hey Kkat. Just posted on the other thread Kkat asking how you were and how things went thinking you might not have got back yet but found you skulking away in here. HaHaaaa! Super sleuthy of me I know. 8) Deleted the other one cos it was all a bit speculative anyways without reading this back first, but seems that thread might be more appropriate to this one for the below? Fuck it, I'll move it later if I can be arsed! :lol: ;)

the judge doesn't want to factor in my mental health issues

He has to take it into account when he sentences given a prior psych assessment that says you're scizophrenic, same as he'll have to take into account Probation reports, evidence from addiction unit saying you're addressing your addictions, whatever. He can disagree with Probation / addiction unit recommendations all he likes but he can't argue against you having an expertly, indepently diagnosed mental illness pre-existing the whole trial thing, unless he's gonna rule your vulnerable mental state as an exploitable addict isn't even remotely relevant to the offence. It will be immediate grounds for an appeal against length of sentence if he dismisses a medical diagnosis out of hand I'm sure because it is expressly provided for in the definitive sentencing guidelines for drug offences as something to be taken into consideration.

See page 11 of that document for definitions of the role you played. It has to be a lesser one by the definitions there. Then what category of offence they talking about? If your brief is saying 5 years looks like it's being dealt with as a Category 2 Class A supply offence. Even with a guilty plea they still need to show that as someone playing a minor role not being directly involved in handling quantities of Class As and moving them elsewhere yourself, not standing to benefit out of the transactions having no major interest in the 'enterprise' or the profits being made a sentence at even the 5 year starting point that assumes you had full knowledge of the scale, with evidence showing why it's being dealt with as Category 2 offence and not 1 or 3 is consistent with justice. Being given a few bags for the use of a bank account and phone don't cut it.

Page 14 same guidelines gives a whole list of acceptable mitigations, your mental condition being specifically set out as something that needs to be taken into consideration. In practice judges will sometimes feel they wanna make an example of someone leaving the Appeals Court to decide if they overstepped the bounds at all but even so his hands are tied to an extent by the guidelines, and I can't see your case is even in the most serious categories, with ample mitigation as a vulnerable addict with mental health issues making very little out of this regardless of scale and money involved. I don't think he has to give anything like 5 years if he wakes up in a good mood and decides to be a bit more reasonable with the guidelines when you next come up. 5 years is the starting point, but could be 3 years 6 months, and that's assuming it's sentenced as Category 2 supply / concerned in the supply of class As, and couldn't have been dealt with using a less serious category. Your legal team / probation should already be doing this but give as much info as you can so they can gather as many independent reports as are possibly relevant. Do some donkey work yourself pulling in any supporting evidence if anything comes to mind worth considering.

He will also have to give credit for an early guilty plea. At this stage assuming a proper trial had yet to be set he should give 33% credit against length of sentence, 25% if you put the plea in a bit after things got properly in motion re: trial date. He can give less if he feels like it cos it's discretionary, but again grounds for an appeal if he doesn't give you the full credit. Even with a 5 year sentence as starting point in the guidelines that will actually mean 3 years 4 months, 3 years 8 if you get 25%. Then you'll only do half and might get HDC all chipping away at what you'll actually have to serve assuming a sentence at starting point, all mitigation evidence dismissed as irrelelevant.

Don't give in all to gloom and despair just yet, eh? Still room for optimism, and it ain't all over and done with inevitable you'll get anything like 5 years. Chin up. It ain't over till the fat lady sings. ;)
 
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