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first step: breathe. try to breathe deeply and slowly, it will help calm your heart. focus on that for a little while if you are able.

otherwise, light stretching or slow walking often helps me... try to concentrate on just the activity if you can.

also know that this too shall pass ;). Corny, maybe, but very try.

(or if you want to talk about what's bothering you, you can pm me...)
 
idk for me, 1 hit of synthetics get me plasterd, and keep me good for a while before i come back for another hit. i love fucking taking hit after hit of some awesome buds or hash/oil. weed is just so much more pleasant for me, much calmer and euphoric high. for weed, i feel like i just want to keep smoking forever, but synths it's like i want a weed high, but can only use synths atm so i take a hit of synths from time to time.
 
thats a good question, i don't think they sell it in powder. however, i found at my local supermarket and it is definately expensive, but if you can catch one of those buy one get one free deals, most places that have them you only need to buy one bottle to get it basically for half price, i bought mine for 19.99 for example (400mg +40 tablets, 30+10) and that should work out for you. it's worth every penny.
 
repressed high i dont like to talk about - need help and explanation

about three years ago i was hanging out at a freinds house on his birthday and he had a cigar box full of blunts he had rolled prior to me coming over. so he asked if i wanted to smoke and i said what the hell it had been a while and i needed to relax, little did i know what was awaiting just 30 minutes later. so we light up one blunt each and smoke em down then we want some more and we smoke a roach he had left over from the night before. i knew something was wrong when i couldnt feel not just my face but my neck and whole abdomin 8o i layed on his couch vomiting every so often for an hour but it seemed way longer when i got up his mother offered us some chocolates out of a heart shaped box, when i bent over to read the different kinds of chocolates it seemed as though i had just dunked my head under sea water and everything turned green. i flipped out and dropped on the floor stuffing my face into one of the corners in his kitchen. by this point he said he was starting to hear things talking to him and he was quite frightened as well. to sooth ourselves we listened to some music and sang along in what sounded like a beautful melody but was probably god awful lol. what im wanting to know was why did this weed make me hallucinate worse than the time i tried lsd? did i simply smoke to much or was it laced? perhaps some i eat of drank that day? i had smoked quite a few ciggarettes right before smoking the blunt and roach. any thoughts or ideas as to what the fuck happened to me would be appreciated lol. happy rolling %)
 
Welcome to Bluelight, night roller. I am going to send this over to Psychedelic Drugs, because cannabis is essentially a hallucinogen (especially in this scenario, eh? ;)). They should be able to explain the effects you encountered better.
 
Sounds like you whitey'd, it's essentially smoking too much weed for your tolerance. Smoke less next time and take your time.
 
The classic munchies is there for a reason, when you start smoking loads your body literally craves sugar which is why us stoners keep the corner shops in business, make sure you have essentials next time you get blazed.
 
No matter how much I smoked, I never had open-eyed visuals. (Only some REALLY REALLY mild closed-eye visuals, like random shapes and weird objects, kind of like when you're in a semi-dreaming state). Also I never heard people/things/whatever talk to me. At most, the voice inside my head (when you're thinking, etc.) sounded a bit more like someone else talking, but nothing serious - I could tell it wasn't anyone else saying anything, just the sativa I had smoked.

But then again, I always knew my limits, I never smoked more than I knew I could handle, and I've been doing this for 2 years so I know my shit. I've had days when I'd smoke 2-3g's of high-quality skunk in 4-5 hours by myself and not feeling tired at all or even that high (huge tolerance). This is the same skunk which totally fucked me up with 0.1g when I first started smoking and put me to sleep after 1-2 hours of a very intense psychedelic experience - music sounded so out-of-this world/my thought processes were so deep I had incredible revelations (that was the beginning of me becoming an atheist to be honest)/ stuff like that :)

I do have a friend however, who smoked some synthetic cannabinoid with me and 2 others one night, his trip was kind of like yours, actually even more fucked up. Keep on reading if you're interested.

Summer 2010. I was at the beach with 3 other friends (S, V and B). Legal highs were getting more and more popular here in Romania.
We were all relatively new to the drug scene, had smoked before but not very often and not a whole lot, we had a bunch of good trips though and knew what to expect.

On the previous day before this incident, I had smoked some herbal mix containing synthetic cannabinoid (like jwh-018 and the like - don't know what it was called though) with B, and I had quite a bad and intense trip - I ended up laying down on a rock besides B who was actually enjoying this. I seriously thought I was going to die that night because I couldn't feel my tongue, my heart was racing, everything felt so unnatural, my hands lost 40% of tacticle sensation and everything I touched seemed so odd and strange, almost like I wasn't touching anything; I was extremely paranoid thinking I had smoked some poison - the usual stuff.

So on the following night B and V decided to buy some more, but this time he asked the dealer at the headshop to give him the strongest stuff he had. He laughed in an evil way almost like one of those villains in crappy cliche movies and gave us 0.25 of the stuff saying that it is the absolute bomb, the best you could find around there.

So we go to the beach, we roll a joint, and light it up. I only took 3 hits from the joint because I knew I had to take it easy to avoid another bad trip like the one I had the previous night. My other friend S took 3 hits as well, V took around 6 hits and B, who was as inexperienced as all of us and unaware of any dangers, took around 12 solid hits (he smoked most of the joint by himself to be honest).

So we finish it, I can feel a mild high. My friend B looks really really stoned and is laughing at anything we say & stuff, basically just having a good time. After like 5 minutes, me and S were still only barely stoned (almost unnoticeable); V was pretty high and enjoying himself; B stopped talking and his face turned white, he said he wasn't feeling so good.

Me, S and V walk away to a place about 20 metres away where we could sit down without getting sand up our asses, B stayed back and wasn't doing or saying anything, he was just laying down in the sand looking at the sea. We just figured he needed to be left alone, we would have just made him paranoid with our sarcasm and dark humour.

10 minutes passed from smoking the joint and then all of a sudden B gets up and starts walking towards us, very sluggish, like he was piss drunk, walking sideways and all. Then he stopped a short distance from us. Stood still for 10 seconds, and then started to projectile-vomit all over the place - luckily he was on the beach.

We went to buy him some water but ended up buying a coke instead, don't know why. He came to where we were staying, saying that he was feeling incredibly bad and that he had smoked too much and that he just needed to chill out for a bit. We left him alone. The high was almost unnoticeable for me and S and V was giggly and having a great time.

Then B starts to vomit all over the street and everyone passing by was looking at us like a bunch of losers. We took him off the street and back on the beach where he laid down. At this point he wasn't responsive to us (he was in his own little hell hole) and was puking once every 2 minutes. After about 15 minutes he was still trying to puke but had nothing left in his stomach, so he was constantly gagging. He didn't really say much during this whole trip. He ended up puking (or trying to) for a total of 2 agonising hours.

At one point during this whole ordeal, I went to him to ask him if he needed us to call to get him anything, or call the ambulance. He didn't answer my question but started crying and begging us not to leave him there all alone; I comforted him and said we'd never do such a thing.

When he finally came to it, he said that he was almost sure he would die. He said he had very vivid hallucinations of being sorrounded by 30+ people, all looking at him and talking about him, wondering what drugs he took and calling the police. These were probably some passing tourists, but there were never more than 3-4 people next to him at any one point.

I do not know if there was anything else in the herbal mix besides synthetic cannabinoids, probably not since me S and V all smoked and had a relatively normal trip.
B totally recovered the next day, he didn't suffer any mental or physical damage of any sort, so relax, you're fine.

I guess shit happens.
Stay safe, know your limits, know what you're buying.
Your weed wasn't laced.
 
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This would probably be better suited over in Cannabis Discussion-- you'll get more replies there, I think. :) I'll move it over now.
 
OTgee describes a similarity of symptoms experienced by my bestfriend first, and now I...... heart/lung issues, pain/fatigue, etc. Also, weird night sweats when we quit. a small dose of natural cannabis in the morning was usually enough to end the withdrawals.

so far, synthetics are by far the most anxiety/psychosis-inducing substances I've encountered..... and ive had a few.
I've seen on several occasions, a single bowl has sent someone into a full blown panic-attack or breakdown.
 
I too have had experience with panic attacks and cannabis, i definitely think you should take her to a doctor about the physical pains. but one time i smoked a little and had a huge panic attack, (heart racing, cant catch my breath etc.) Ever since that had happened every time i smoke i got really anxious, and experienced the same symptoms, eventually the panic attacks started to taper off, and once i convinced myself it was all in my head i can now smoke everyday several times a day and not be anxious at all. cannabis really potentiates anxiety for me if im already feeling anxious i refuse to smoke as it always makes it worse. make sure she knows this, and make sure shes in a very comfortable state of mind before she smokes. i hope this helps.
 
night roller94 said:
about three years ago i was hanging out at a freinds house on his birthday and he had a cigar box full of blunts he had rolled prior to me coming over. so he asked if i wanted to smoke and i said what the hell it had been a while and i needed to relax, little did i know what was awaiting just 30 minutes later. so we light up one blunt each and smoke em down then we want some more and we smoke a roach he had left over from the night before. i knew something was wrong when i couldnt feel not just my face but my neck and whole abdomin 8o i layed on his couch vomiting every so often for an hour but it seemed way longer when i got up his mother offered us some chocolates out of a heart shaped box, when i bent over to read the different kinds of chocolates it seemed as though i had just dunked my head under sea water and everything turned green. i flipped out and dropped on the floor stuffing my face into one of the corners in his kitchen. by this point he said he was starting to hear things talking to him and he was quite frightened as well. to sooth ourselves we listened to some music and sang along in what sounded like a beautful melody but was probably god awful lol. what im wanting to know was why did this weed make me hallucinate worse than the time i tried lsd? did i simply smoke to much or was it laced? perhaps some i eat of drank that day? i had smoked quite a few ciggarettes right before smoking the blunt and roach. any thoughts or ideas as to what the fuck happened to me would be appreciated lol. happy rolling %)
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There is no real way for anyone to say for sure what happened since you didnt even see your friend roll these blunts. I have never heard of anyone having a reaction this bad who has smoked before and enjoyed it. Then agian, really, smoking a whole blunt each is so insanely UNNECESSARY! You guys could have passes a blunt back and forth, give yourself some time to let the full effect of the smoking kick it. Sometimes ill feel the first wave of getting high, but later after im done smoking will be hit with another wave of euphoria or intoxication. I will just suddenly be baked. Honestly smoking that much could have made you sick. Maybe you were coughing alot and it caused you to gag.

The hallusinating though is very strange. It could be your friend did infact get some spice blends or something. Cause even i have had moment where i saw shit while smoke those. I dont mess with them anymore.

If you want to try smoking the green agian, I suggest you dont over do it. Smoke just a bowl and give it time to kick it. Really, I smoke a lot of pot, and i never just sit down and smoke a blunt by myself. It would be a waste of so much pot.
 
Jester-Race said:
you really need to take her to her doctor to get her evaluated for sure. stop experimenting with rcs, unless you know the direct source from which they came from. unfortunately the scene in regards to RCs sucks complete ass by comparison to years ago, so disregard that and comfort her as best as you can.

my personal recommendations is to get her 400mg/capsule co-q-10 because it's literally the best darn supplement i've ever taken for anything in regards to the heart, it helps me immensely. I can sympathize with you as far as you caring about her so much, and for someone like her to be there for you and vice versa only cements your foundation for one another. So comfort her as best as you can and definately have her get her issues checked out ASAP.
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Stop all drug use for the time being.

Definitely go to a doctor and ask him/her about the issues you and your girlfriend are having and be honest about drug use.

Good luck, and I hope that everything turns out to be OK and it's just anxiety/panic and nothing else.
 
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OP it sounds like you and your friend smoked way too much at once. Combine that with a lack of tolerance and set/setting and you have an explanation. Yes some people do sort of "trip out" and even vomit when they smoke too much all at once.
 
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yteek said:
I think you may just one of them people who calls good weed "dro"...despite not knowing rather it was grown hy"dro"ponically or not, good chance it maybe some soil grown in reality.
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And I think your the kind of asshole that thinks he's the smartest pothead on the internet.
 
the anxiety and mega thread is just for this. I think yo uwill find a lot of people who have a lot of problems like yours but also have anxiety and depression attached.

Also, the Unusual responses thread has tons of information and similiar stories. You can also check out the Quitting/Need A Break thread.

I hope this helps

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