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Mushroom Tea (smaller dose)

OrionTheHunter

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Is it possible to make enough mushroom tea for one person with a smaller dose (1-3 grams)? I've heard that you need quite a bit of mushrooms in order for the tea to work...but I'm not 100% sure. Also, since I've never tried ingesting mushrooms via tea, is the trip any different than just eating them raw? I don't just mean stronger or weaker, but is the body-high and/or visuals overall altered in any way from drinking tea versus eating raw?
 
In my experience, I always used 0,8-1,2 g of dried Psylocibe Lanceolata and got a very powerful trip
It depends on the type of mushrooms, if they are dried or not and if you plan to eat the mush that remain on the bottom of the cup (i always do it)
 
It's been a while since I did mushrooms and they were fresh when I had them available but 2g dried is approx = 20g fresh and I got plenty powerful trips from tea made with 20g of Cubes. I've never heard of this theory that you need to use large amounts to make tea. It certainly doesn't chime with my experience in any way, unless what we're actually talking about is degradation to some extent due to drying requiring more, but that's got nothing to do with method used to ingest.

I prefer tea to eating raw. It's a lot easier to get down for one and onset is faster. You'll probably lose a little bit of psilocybin / psilocin but chop the mushies up really small ( or grind to powder with dried ) then simmer and the amount lost is gonna be neglible. Intensity at peak either way seemed to be much the same, but tea was a bit more rushy coming up, peaked sooner and the trip had a shorter duration. Tea also had next to nothing in the way of nausea / GI discomfort, which could not be said of shrooms eaten.
 
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The "20g fresh = 2g dry" rule has given me some pretty...intense results. Depending on how they were dried, how old, etc. the potency of dried mushrooms can vary wildly. If you're eating fresh and trying to determine dose based on past dried mushroom experiences, I would start with closer to a 5:1 ratio than an 10:1 ratio by weight to determine dose and work your way up.
 
At this point i have a question..are semilanceoata more powerful than cubes? 'Cause 1g of recently collected dried semilanceoata is a powerful trip in my experience
 
The "20g fresh = 2g dry" rule has given me some pretty...intense results. Depending on how they were dried, how old, etc. the potency of dried mushrooms can vary wildly. If you're eating fresh and trying to determine dose based on past dried mushroom experiences, I would start with closer to a 5:1 ratio than an 10:1 ratio by weight to determine dose and work your way up.

True, 10:1 is for cracker-dry mushrooms assuming no significant potency loss during the drying process or storage. If you have dried mushrooms that correspond with 5:1 ratio (I know that is not what you're saying) they were not dried right. Everyone should use desiccant for the final drying step. If with air-drying you have half-potent shrooms then half of it is still water which is pretty bad.

Other than that calculating from dry to fresh should not really be necessary, if you know what type of Psilocybes you have and the far majority is Cubensis then 25-30 grams fresh is a full dose, some even say 35 grams. Actually it should be more dependable since there is no degradation or drying involved if you store fresh ones correctly in the fridge. Be aware of the material of the container they are in. Paper is no good for example. Tupperware or other plastics are better.

The main reason you get wildly varying results with both fresh and dried mushrooms is because they are natural products and the potency is different per batch and even per single mushroom specimen! Unlike well-laid acid blotter which should be more or less consistent. With pills it depends on spreading if they are consistent or not.

A solution to unpredictable intensity is to take a batch of mushrooms of appreciable size and dry them properly till they are cracker dry: first air-drying, then air-tight in a container together with a desiccant present. Then grind the mushrooms up to dust or little chips and mix them, the better you mix them the more homogeneous it should be. And the more homogeneous (or evenly spread) the more predictability you get when measuring on a scale.

To the original question: there is no reason why you cannot make a small portion of tea, it works exactly the same. And there is very little potency loss unless you use too hot water. Do not use boiling water but warm water instead, you could do it in two soaks: first half of the water made warm - steep, then strain the pulp. Add warm water again to the pulp and repeat. By the time you're finished it may be lukewarm but it's better for potency. You can add some lemon juice to the water before you begin to help extraction. And you can add some sugar to make it all more palatable and use a tea-bag for flavor.

Also, lots of people eat the pulp afterwards to be sure. It may defeat the purpose of negating nausea since it seems to me like the fibrous tissue is the stuff that irritates the stomach and not the drugs that go into the tea-water. However, when making tea the fibrous tissue gets rehydrated and may fall apart making it better digestible.

Please visit the psychedelic index:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/560442-The-Psychedelic-Index

And browse to the Psilocybin Mushrooms thread. In the first post / OP, there is an index with subthreads including one about mushroom tea.
I encourage you to continue discussion there and also to confirm here that you understand this. I can merge this into that subthread or close.

Have a nice trip when the time is right!
 
At this point i have a question..are semilanceoata more powerful than cubes? 'Cause 1g of recently collected dried semilanceoata is a powerful trip in my experience

Generally speaking yes, in theory, according to Shroomery and the Shroomery Dosage Calculator. They may also lose less potency when dried than Cubes because of the higher proportion of Psilocybin to Psilocin, Psilocybin being more stable. In practice potency is very variable one shroom to the next and one year to the next so it's not absolutely guaranteed that weight for weight Semilanceata will always be stronger than Cubensis.

Never weighed Liberty Caps and would just count them out, 100 fresh being pretty much guaranteed to get me where I wanted to be, though sometimes too much if they were unusually strong. I have no idea what that would be as a dried weight. Liberty Caps being native to the UK they were the first and only mushrooms I had available to me for years till Cubes started to be sold in shops prior to the ban and I always found the trip to be very different in character to that produced by Cubes. Some will tell you that's nonsense and shrooms are shrooms are shrooms but I absolutely believe that to be the case based on plenty of past experience. Having said that the character of the trip from Liberty Caps could change one year to the next. I wonder if it's down to varying ratios between the active ingredients?
 
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^Yeah, exactly what I had in mind. I think it's highly likely that the ratio between Psilocybin, Psilocin and Baeocystin ( and also Norbaeocystin perhaps? ) would be responsible for the difference in character. I've noticed similar differences between different strains of Cubensis too. Didn't like Mexican ( possibly Cubensis Huautla Googling images of them? They were only ever sold to me as Mexican ) at all, Colombian and Phillipino were completely different. The differences were not dose dependent and were repeatable, ruling out set and setting to my mind.

there is very little potency loss unless you use too hot water. Do not use boiling water but warm water instead

I would generally simmer gently in a pan for 10-15 mins with both fresh and dried shrooms, Cubes and Liberty Caps, and can't say as I noticed any loss of potency whatsoever when compared to a similar dose eaten fresh? When I first started using I'd boil pretty ruthlessly for up to an hour cos that's how I was shown to do it, only later reaching the conclusion that was in no way necessary but that was all about how long I had to wait to drink it, nothing to do with potency. I was always under the impression Psilocybin at least was pretty stable at the temperature of boiling water?
 
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So the trip is essentially the same when drinking mushroom tea, just with a faster onset, shorter duration, and less of a chance of stomach nausea? I was wondering if drinking tea increased the euphoria of the body-high or gave more depth to the visuals in any way...anyways, great info on tea preparation Solipsis, thanks man. I think I'm about to try this with my next batch :D
 
In my experiences making mushie tea i just emptied out a tea bag and put all the powder that was left from the ounce i had purchased, it make take 2 tea bags, but i just let them steap in just below boiling water (be careful not to let get to a complete boil, as not to destroy the alkaloids) for a good 5-10 minutes. i then added another tea bag with flavoring to it, just to make it taste good. with in 20-30 min of drinking, i got strong tracers(OEV) and the CEV's i got were the best id ever gotten off shrooms. if you are looking to make tea i very much recomend it.
 
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