why are quality psychedelics so hard to find?

[burn out]

Well yes, and of course that probably makes my opinion biased by definition. But, for instance, my dad is a lawyer and despite the fact that I'm not a lawyer by profession, he still expects me to have a rudimentary understanding of how American criminal law works. What I am specifically lamenting is that the modern educational system spends proportionately much more time and effort teaching non-science subjects, with the assumption that science is somehow a "highly specialized discipline" rather than just a good way to understand how the world works. We are comprised of carbon compounds, it just seems to me that organic chemistry should be taught to kids in a cursory manner like english and history is. I might not have done a good job earlier in the thread of articulating my opinion.

Most everyone thinks their field is under utilized. Kids spend a lot of time studying science in school, much more than necessary really. The vast majority of what I learned in school I don't remember or never use.

To comment on the topic title, there are plenty of high quality psychedelics to be had. There is more supply than demand. In fact, the highest quality psychedelic of all (in my opinion of course) mushrooms, you can grow yourself.

 

[Solipsis]

Because quality psychedelics get good attention as they deserve, then that attention attracts bad publicity and illegalization which makes look-a-like's more favorable (like 2C-I being passed off as 2C-B since people are on the look out for 2C-B and 2C-I is easily available for example),
other than that there are probably different reasons for different special compounds... like mescaline just has so low potency that I can't imagine it being nearly as lucrative to make as other things, things that resemble it at least to people who are not yet as picky.
And MDA for example which I tend to complain about, well I hear that most MDMA is made in super bulk because it's not as interesting to make on smaller scales and the bulk guys apparently couldn't care less about a selective target audience that would love some MDA. Most people would just consider hallucinations or tripping a side-effect they did not ask for, if they are just looking to 'roll'.
As for DMT, I can imagine that being a very obscure market. Few people know about it, dare to try it, seems like the opposite of bulk MDMA synths: many people do extractions themselves and for friends. If you happen to not know a social circle that includes such a person then there isn't really a significant distribution network to rely on. Perhaps it's a sign that you should start being that person yourself.

Of course I am not encouraging anyone to do things that are illegal in your home country. Blah blah blah disclaimer.

 

[Roger&Me]

The vast majority of what I learned in school I don't remember or never use.

That's totally not true. You are composing intelligent and logically sound sentences as you type, in a manner that requires little effort... you remember and utilize much of the stuff you were taught in school, and I think the natural sciences could be better incorporated into public curriculum with the same type of widely applicable results. That's all I'm trying to say.

Most everyone thinks their field is under utilized.

I totally agree, I'm very much biased because of my training. I just think its useful, and made out to be more difficult to learn than it actually is, so it would be nice to see the field better utilized by the majority of people.

Kids spend a lot of time studying science in school, much more than necessary really.

I disagree, I never really learned a thing about science in school -- even though I went to a prestigious private high school. I took a lot of science classes, but the fundamental power and wonder of science was never instilled in me by my teachers and mentors because there was a widespread belief that the more complex material was "too complicated" or "too specialized" for most young people to learn. We were just forced to learn random facts instead of useful methods. This is bullshit, as my whole class was able to learn French, German, and Greek as 6th graders, I'm pretty sure they could learn basic O-Chem if they could deal with learning that near-impossible crap.

 

[System7]

C+ in advanced organic chem, if only I had my own lab

 

[webbykevin]

Doesn't require much of an education to just go out and pick some mushrooms

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Lack of education in the natural sciences. For example, if you had a decent chemistry education, you would be able to make LSD (etc..) yourself. Synthesizing LSD is to chemistry as writing a research paper is to history class; ie, not hard, just requiring some effort. High school students could be taught that level of chemistry without much problem.

The problem is human laziness more than anything. People like to do drugs, but they're not interested in them enough to actually learn how to make them.

Yeah, look at all these assholes who use this forum that they don't know how to code, and drive cars they couldn't build themselves. What point are you trying to make Rog? Should people learn how to make EVERY single thing they use day to day, we don't live on a ranch in the middle of nowhere two hundred years ago man, the entire point of our economic system is to trade currency for goods and services.

Excellent, excellent point about the effects of prohibition laws... but still, I think if most people were trained in chemistry to the same level as they're trained in reading and writing

Yes, because these skills are of equal utility and a valid comparison to make!

but the fundamental power and wonder of science was never instilled in me by my teachers and mentors because there was a widespread belief that the more complex material was "too complicated" or "too specialized" for most young people to learn. We were just forced to learn random facts instead of useful methods.

I am 100% behind you with this though, same with math. It's like they never even TRIED to make us actually learn things and see the wonder behind it, like now when I read about mathematical concepts they seem amazing and the entire field is like magic or knowing the mind of god. Utterly profound. What did I learn in school? How to solve equations via rote memorization.

Though I'm not sure how much changing the education system can do, can you even change it? I think what a lot of people don't remember as they become adults is that most kids come to school with an attitude of not just apathy, but antipathy towards the whole academic endeavor. I hope we can solve this to some extent, as much as they system appalled me when we talked to German exchange students back in HS sociology class about their stratified school system, I now see the genius and practicality of it. Test kids in tween years, send them to a school with academic rigorl based on their tested aptitude, you have schools training kids putting forth the effort to get to uni, a middle level one that I forget, and one that will be heavily geared towards prep for vocational study. Create skilled workers and not just say, all kids should go to college blah blah blah and then when that doesn't work out you're lost and don't know what the fuck to do...

I'm rambling.

why is it that finding good psychedelics is so hard

You don't know the right people, simple as that. It's all about who you know, as with all drugs, don't despair, I don't know the right people either.

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

you cant step to rog
you just cant
Rog&Me clan aint nothin to fuck wit

 

[Jinux]

Regarding the education problem, there's a saying in the UK:

"They don't teach you to [have you] learn, they teach you to [have you] pass the test"

 

[webbykevin]

We are comprised of carbon compounds.

You speak for yourself, your physical body maybe a carbon based biological life form but one of the things good psychedelics have shown me is that I am not the body, or the mind, these things are present in front of a something, an awareness, a consciousness, an observer call it whatever you want but I certainly don't define myself as simply as a carbon based life form, that construct is merely something that my consciousness temporarily inhabits in some way but on the right psychedelic in the correct dose you dont need a body to define who you are, in fact defining exactly what you are becomes very slippery and evasive and mercurial.

 

[TangerinO]

lol a potato may not define itself as a potato, but it's just as much a potato as we are carbon lifeforms.
I completely agree that psychedelics teach us there is something very interesting beyond what we see with our own eyes, but that doesn't disprove the physical universe and what we know about it.

If we really want to be contrived and get super ridiculous, we could point out that everything is just a series of symbols created in order to interpret the world around us, meaning nothing is what it seems, in fact everything is nothing (in the eyes of man) until we assign semiotics to it.. And yet is must be something before we assign a word, or a picture or name to describe it.

 

[clubberdude]

They are. One example, DOC. That stuff far exceeds LSD as a psychedelic drug in my experience. In fact 2C-P is probably on a par with LSD for quality. There are many psychedelic drugs I haven't even tasted yet, so one may even be better than DOC. The nBOME series look particularly interesting.

 

[AwesomeFrog]

Yeah I agree, I've heard people who aren't particularly well-educated could possibly create poisonous compounds if LSD isn't synthesized properly

 

[killermunchies]

An LSD synth isn't exactly easy. Most people could probably be taught to do it, but it would be a long learning process. You'd need to have a solid grasp of organic chemistry and hundreds of hours of prior lab experience. You would also need to either access or synth the precursors, which is quite difficult without solid chemistry connections, or at least a business address to ship the chemicals to. You would also have to buy lots of equipment, which certainly isn't cheap. On top of that, you would be assuming the risk of getting caught, which could lead to years in prison. All things considered, this is why most of us opt to buy LSD made by others.

And to relate this to the OP, this is also why there is cut and bunk stuff going around. It is easier to sell fake stuff or pass off RCs as the real thing than to actually go through the process of making the real thing. You have to know the right people. A good strategy for getting quality psychedelics is buying them from people who actually use them and understand the scene instead of some random drug dealer that is only in it for the money.

 

[LSDreamer13]

Just need to find the right people.

 

[ProducedRaw]

Yeah, look at all these assholes who use this forum that they don't know how to code, and drive cars they couldn't build themselves. What point are you trying to make Rog? Should people learn how to make EVERY single thing they use day to day, we don't live on a ranch in the middle of nowhere two hundred years ago man, the entire point of our economic system is to trade currency for goods and services.

To butt into this discussion, I would argue that it's in everyone's benefit to learn how the things they use work. It's certainly not possible to do it all at once but there is a huge functional difference between one who gives up trying to understand anything (save for the one thing which makes him money) and one who tends towards understanding everything. There is a hidden fortune in living such a life - after exploring multiple disciplines a person begins to see patterns which are present in all things. This is something which someone who specialises is unable to do. I guess it all comes down to if you see knowledge as a means to an end or an end in and of itself.

Our economic system is vastly overrated in it's ability to drive progress forward. From what I've seen and understood, it's great for building and preserving towers (vertical knowledge) but is abysmal at uncovering and utilising new territory (horizontal knowledge). Capitalism only moves to greener fields when the ones it was farming have turned yellow. Thus, you are always stuck with one ever degrading patch of grass, and on occasion get to see some lush vegitation before it's trampled over and destroyed. The only real benefit is that there is always a field, but note that this has no impact on progress per se (unless you count the necessity of having to find a new one after this one is overworked progress). But it's the best system we have, amirite guise?

 

[Ismene]

To synth LSD all you do is put orange peel in a bucket of budweiser and then leave it in your closet in the dark for 6 months.

Guerilla LSD.

 

[gymstud]

I think one of my worrirs would have.to be acidental ingedtion
I did a level chem and enjoyed organic chem part but at sub milgram dose its to easy for dose to end up in wrong place

 

[LSDreamer13]

to synth lsd all you do is put orange peel in a bucket of budweiser and then leave it in your closet in the dark for 6 months.

Guerilla lsd.

=d8)

 

[rocknroll702]

lol ill pass on that guerilla lsd method -- lol wtf

 

[huolesoh]

i think average westerner is pitifully lazy, and yes people should attempt to understand how things work more !

as for the original question - mescaline cacti, mushrooms