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Fly Agaric extract.

Carlqua

Carlqua

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My headshop of choice sells 12g of Fly Agaric extract.....
I just want to know what fellow bluelighters have to say about it, what is the difference between fly agaric and liberty caps?
Is there any point in the extract and what ever you guys would like to say about it
 
Fly Agaric mushrooms deliver more of a deliriant effect than Psilocybe Cubensis mushrooms. The main alkaloids present in most species of Fly Agaric are Ibotenic Acid and Muscimol while the main alkaloid present in Psilocybe Cubensis is Psilocin. Fly Agaric are not as traditionally psychedelic as liberty caps.
 
I tried Amanita extract once and got zero result. I took all of the extract even though it said to start with half for your first time (like they do with a lot of things). Looking back I'm not sure if I feel sorry about not getting results, I read enough Amanita experience reports to be quite apprehensive.

If you ask me they should not be compared with Psilocybe mushrooms like liberty caps, the fact that they are both mushrooms should be considered a coincidence because the chemicals in them are so different and the effects they produce are not really in the exact same category either.

My advice is to just stick to liberty caps and other Psilocybes, they are great and are able to provide the full spectrum of psychedelia. I wouldn't call them that predictable but Amanita's seem much less predictable even, and sometimes come with serious side-effects. Some unlucky people get convulsions and become very delirious. Psilocin is at least quite harmless to the body.
 
Fly agaric has been used as an entheogen in Siberia by many indigenous tribes. Like Flask said, the main alkaloids that cause the fly agaric (Amanita muscaria) intoxication is ibotenic acid and muscimol, while the main alkaloids responsible for psilocybin mushrooms is,well, psilocybin and psilocin. Psilocybin is converted to psilocin, which is far more active than its predecessor. Also, as was mentioned above, the fly agaric isn't very psychedelic in the normal sense (crazy colours, synaesthesia, warping/distortion/melting) and the "psychedelia" present (head space) is much different. Also, you should start small and work your way up in dosage, as fly agaric is known for causing seizures in higher doses. Check out what Erowid has to say, read some reports.
 
Fly Agarics are not in any way shape or form, to be compared to psychedelic tryptamines. No ill feelings towards muscimol, it probably inspired the worlds oldest religions, but it is a totally different type of 'trip.' If you spend 5 minutes using a search engine, you would know this. ;)
 
The extract did next to nothing for me also. Making tea from a bunch of the mushrooms (I'm guessing 7 to 10 from memory) lead to a strong mix of tripping and intoxication which I used to really enjoy, but which I stopped doing because of increasing nausea and concern about liver toxicity.
 
^Caps need to be prepared, not just eaten raw/dry (as I myself learned back in my days of inadequate research).

But as has been said, Muscimol is a GABAergic (some odd hallucinogens mediated at this receptor site) and its effects are in no way whatsoever comparable to those of serotonergic psychedelics like psilocybin.
 
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Are you experienced with Amanita, NKB? I have some interest in deliriants having had a few experiences with an Ayahuasca brew containing a species of Brugmansia. From what is available online, it seems that Amanita is perhaps the most friendly deliriant. Would you agree?

I am very interested in experienced first hand accounts with this mushroom.
 
Alas, only my one failed attempt. I intend on doing it proper some day, and while there may be a deliriant aspect to it from anecdotal reports I have read (check out the big and dandy amanitas thread!) it seems like a big stretch to compare it with anticholinergic deliriants. My interest in it my stems from a personal interest in GABAergic hallucinogens based off of the couple times I was able to try zaleplon (which seems quite different than this as well, but still my interest remains). While anticholinergics are of no interest to me.
 
Never Knows Best said:
Alas, only my one failed attempt. I intend on doing it proper some day, and while there may be a deliriant aspect to it from anecdotal reports I have read (check out the big and dandy amanitas thread!) it seems like a big stretch to compare it with anticholinergic deliriants. My interest in it my stems from a personal interest in GABAergic hallucinogens based off of the couple times I was able to try zaleplon (which seems quite different than this as well, but still my interest remains). While anticholinergics are of no interest to me.
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I've read a plethora of information regarding Amanita and it seems (in the right circumstances, with a good strain and proper preparation) that they induce a trance, which is what interests me.

The Ayahuasca + Brugmansia brew I drank was prepared by a Cofán shaman that had grown the plant himself and knew its effects. It definitely added another dimension and a longer duration to the experience (it wasn't a symbolic addmixture), but I have no interest in touching the anticholinergics by themselves - they seem far too risky.

Amanita grow everywhere around where I live during season (I've seen numerous patches while picking P. subaeruginosa in the wild), but almost all accounts I've read or heard about Australian Amanita are nothing compared to what other strains of this mushroom can apparently do. In fact, most accounts have been negative, ranging from no effects to severe gastrointestinal issues.

Does anyone know if it's possible to visit a Siberian shaman to take the "sacred" strain in the traditional setting?

Now, that would make for an interesting holiday.
 
I thought the traditional Siberian shaman knowledge was an important part of getting to the true source of this mushroom and touching the nature of its essence or spirit.

The shaman plays a role in the process of preparing the psychoactive component by being the first one to ingest it, then something happens within his bodily system to potentiate the drug as it passes through his liver and is then passed out into his urine, this urine is then re-consumed and is considered purer and stronger, I dont know the details of what chemically goes on during this process but the urine can be passed through sometimes as many as 5 people and the effects get stronger and more refined each time.

Drinking urine does not float many peoples boat when talked about as ingestion method but it does seem that with many natural plant or fungi based psychedelics a certain amount of hard yards have to be endured to get to the levels of experience that high effective doses deliver.

Think of the pains of an iboga trip or the vomiting and shitting purging of ayahuasca or the tummy ache of harmala or the nausea of mushrooms sometimes, in a shamanic context these experiences are considered part of the journey and it's important that you pay your dues in some way at the doorway to hyperspace.

So just as doing yage in the presence and under the guidance of an experienced and traditional shaman seems to be a better way to get some kind of knowledge or learning from the plants then making the effort to get to Siberia, tracking down and then gaining the trust and confidence of a traditional native shaman and his or her community will surely play a huge part of setting up the right conditions within yourself to be ready for a meeting with this mystery.

It's been on my list of things to try for a long time but I have never been in the right situation to pursue or explore it yet.
My intuition tells me not to just pick a few wild caps and just chomp down on them alone and wait to see what happens.
 
i live out in the forest where it is quite miost and good conditions for mushies such as Fly Agarics. me and couple frinds went shroom hunting and collected a bunch of Fly Agarics and extracted the alkaloids and it worked very well. ive never boughten that stuff from a store but if you have the chance do do it yourself it is a fun experience. and the CEV and the OEV were were very nice and quite strong. but before doig this make sure you are with someone who knows what they are doing, or even have a book, because there are some shrooms that look the same that are deadly. so if you attempted this just be safe and you will have blast
 
webbykevin said:
My intuition tells me not to just pick a few wild caps and just chomp down on them alone and wait to see what happens.
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Well then your intuition would be WRONG!

You ought to study thoroughly before taking psychoactive anything. The raw Amanita Muscaria contain primarily Ibotenic Acid which is toxic, causes great discomfort, nausea, sweating, etc.

BUT: If you dry the shrooms well in a low oven with an open door, THEN crush and simmer them for about 45 mins, strain out the solids, then DRINK THE LIQUID (probably close to what A-TownKush describes as "a natural extraction"... THEN the Ibotenic Acid (*BAD*) gets converted to Muscimol (*GOOD*). This conversion also happens in the body, but you really want to do it outside the body with drying then simmering because the Ibotenic acid concentrations you get just eating the raw shrooms really overwhelms the good effects of just the Muscimol.

I get the impression just simmering the fresh shrooms ought to be equivalent, since it's both the heat AND the simmering with water that catalyze the conversion process, HOWEVER, first drying then simmering is what I read is the traditional way to do it... so perhaps there is in fact some chemical processes occurring the two-step approach that leaves more Muscimol and less Ibotenic Acid.

ANYWAY, you should always at LEAST do the simmering... drying alone is NOT ENOUGH to do the needed conversion.

THE RESULT is not at all like typical psilocybin shrooms.... instead, Amanita Muscaria cause a slightly "drunk" and euphoric feeling FOLLOWED BY periods of passing out... it is DURING THESE "SLEEPY/DREAMY" periods of being "out" that the real interesting stuff happens... these intense very trippy dreams in which it feels like you are in a MYTH while on a psychedelic. Very strange & emotionally intense but interesting.

BUT DO *NOT* JUST SIT DOWN AND MUNCH ON THE FRESH SHROOMS!!! Very nasty sensations will happen and you will be sorry. They *MUST* be prepared first. People can be so dumb some times.
 
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