4 tabs in the desert: bad idea?

[acidclouds]

Yep they dosed some people very highly. That doesn't mean 100ug is 'puppy shit' when using LSD recreationally. Maybe its a low dose for you but it doesnt seem to be for most people.

You were wrong about Hofmann's dose, we all make mistakes so don't worry.

Sorry that this thread has become so derailed flickering. IMO it sounds like a really bad idea but I tend to be very cautious with psychs and I suppose high risk can equal high reward and if it all went well it would be amazing. Good luck

Edit: (Almost) simultaneous post webbykevin. Yes it is very personal and subjective. Peace

 

[LSDreamer13]

I would say thats more like 300 instead of 400ug.... Most tabs these days are not 100ug a dose...

 

[LSDreamer13]

I stick by my original comment, 100ug tabs are NOT decent strength LSD.

maybe there are some old time Blue Lighters who remember the real days of LSD taking who could talk about the doses they remember taking.

I'm not an old time blue lighter, but 100ug tabs NOWADAYS are actually "decent strength". Hell, even on the heavy side of one tab. ALOT of shit is very weak now.

 

[SabbathViper]

So in conclusion, like i said my first few experiences were at 350ugs and not knowing any different i assumed that was the kind of dose everyone was talking about when they said they took acid, I guess if I had never had it before and then my first dose was 100ugs then i would have assumed that was the normal experience it induced.

But it is a personal and subjective thing, affected by many things such as diet, tolerance and potency loss in the storage medium.

I'm sure the acid Hofmann tried a few minutes after he made it in the lab was potentially a lot stronger and purer than a sheet of blotter weeks old that has been carried around in someones pocket wrapped in tin foil and taken out and handled and exposed to light frequently.

Going back to the OP, Sorry If i played a role in dragging this thread off topic and to the people that attacked me I wanna say, Peace, I should have made it clearer perhaps that I was only discussing my own experiences of it and do not say that I am correct or incorrect, I just shared my own story, I wasn't dick sizing I just told the truth about my own encounter with this amazing substance.

And I was a bit grumpy this morning so please understand and forgive me if I caused any offense.

I am not mad at you, no hard feelings. In any case, in the future you should do two things:

1) Never use your own experiences to downplay strength/potency in an antagonistic manner to someone trying a substance for the first time. People have different tolerances, etc. The OP might have a very powerful experience with 100ug, for all you know - it just depends on his biology.

2) Never mis-represent dosage. Some dumb kid could read "2500" and end up doing way more than they should, when in fact Hoffman did 250ug, not 2500ug.

After I read some of your responses to our posts, I got pretty pissed. At least everyone has calmed down now.

 

[webbykevin]

That's the beauty of the psychedelic community, we can have debates, disagreements and some pretty passionate arguments without it degenerating into total war and in the end people seem to be able to calm down and find some neutral and common ground, if only the worlds religious leaders, governments and corporations could behave like us the world would be a mush pleasanter and saner place.

Hell we can even be wrong, admit to it, apologise and move on, incredible really

peace

 

[✰hyperobjects✰]

I dropped 900ug of LSD in a snowstorm and wandered around lost until some Asian guy stopped in his car and insisted that he take me wherever I was going. It was really interesting trip looking at trees coated in ice and also at one point my visual channel was sorta backgrounded in a larger sensory field. The only way I could describe it was sort of like my visual field became a polaroid picture that was flapping in the wind in a very large dark room, the dark room was the rest of my field of sensory awareness and I was more aware of the huge dark room than the tiny little picture fluttering around with each step I took.


I would say, if you a dead set on doing this, make sure you're experienced with both LSD at this dose and what it's like being in the desert and properly prepare for the environment you'll be in and you should be fine. That and make sure you people know where and when you're doing this and maybe bring a GPS enabled telecommunication device in the event you should run into any difficulties.

 

[✰hyperobjects✰]

Also, I wanted to mention since it's somewhat relevant to earlier convos in this thread.I'm much more of an RC head nowadays, but have had my fair share of LSD and some people distinguish between standard mic'ed acid, which ranges from 80-150ish mics, to Festival Grade which is mic'ed between 200-350ugs. If you're looking for stronger dose, try to find it through the festy circuit instead of through weekenders.

 

[Flickering]

Thanks everyone.

So first, about the strength of tabs these days. Back in the '60s and '70s when you had ego-death on a quarter-inch of paper, the only difference was that they dropped more LSD onto each tab. If you want a heavy trip nowadays, you take five or six tabs, or you find a really strong one. People's standards have changed, yes, but it's all a matter of preference. Most of my trips have been light, and I've found that frustrating. I think I'm kind of a hard head at heart, would prefer trips in the medium-strong to very strong spectrums.

To me, 70 - 100ug is a light trip. 150 is about where it becomes medium intensity, and I have no experience yet beyond that.

Part of the reason I wanted to do 4 tabs was because that's how many I have. But I can see the sense in doing just two and a half. That would be a strong trip for me but not completely disorienting. I like Applecore's recommendation, perhaps there's no need really to go beyond 300; in fact when I took acid for the second time, I decided I wasn't interested in going beyond 150. (Changed my mind, obviously.)

Anyway, as I said before, I will look to do this on peyote, not acid, or possibly a combination of the two. Definitely set on tripping in the desert again, harder this time. It's beautiful out there. I recommend it to anyone here, if you want something special that you'll never forget. But be safe.

 

[fridgebuzz]

I dosed too much lsd once. I don't wish to talk about it beyond I felt like I needed a doctor, but not a literal doctor. Someone qualified to stitch all my scattered pieces back together. Years later I found that doctor. Her name was love.

Couldn't explain.

 

[TangerinO]

Thanks everyone.

So first, about the strength of tabs these days. Back in the '60s and '70s when you had ego-death on a quarter-inch of paper, the only difference was that they dropped more LSD onto each tab. If you want a heavy trip nowadays, you take five or six tabs, or you find a really strong one. People's standards have changed, yes, but it's all a matter of preference. Most of my trips have been light, and I've found that frustrating. I think I'm kind of a hard head at heart, would prefer trips in the medium-strong to very strong spectrums.

To me, 70 - 100ug is a light trip. 150 is about where it becomes medium intensity, and I have no experience yet beyond that.

Part of the reason I wanted to do 4 tabs was because that's how many I have. But I can see the sense in doing just two and a half. That would be a strong trip for me but not completely disorienting. I like Applecore's recommendation, perhaps there's no need really to go beyond 300; in fact when I took acid for the second time, I decided I wasn't interested in going beyond 150. (Changed my mind, obviously.)

This bit I've put in bold. With your current experience how could you know? I once took 180ug at a festival and I couldn't even see I was so fucked. Later I took 150ug at my mates house and it was a substantially less intense, lots of really bizarre imagery but very slow and easy to handle. I think the quality of the acid, the set and setting are so often overlooked these days, the dosage is only a lone factor.
You never know when your LSD experience is going to feel like you're plummeting at 200km/h nowhere in particular because your just sitting in a chair, or your just going to be able to passively observe some beautiful and bizarre imagery and go about your business.

Like someone said earlier in the thread take 250 or 300, you will not be disappointed, it is a very deep rabbit hole.

 

[✰hyperobjects✰]

While I'm a firm believer in Harm Reduction, I also think in order to get a sense of history and why the sixties were so bonkers contemporary LSD-heads ought to drop a 10 strip at least once in their life.

 

[Ismene]

While I'm a firm believer in Harm Reduction, I also think in order to get a sense of history and why the sixties were so bonkers contemporary LSD-heads ought to drop a 10 strip at least once in their life.

I didn't think the sixties were that bonkers. I think LSD is more commonly available now to far more people than it ever was in the 60's.

I don't think it's the dose - it's the person taking the dose. In the 60's you had John Lennon taking it, nowadays who is taking it? Fred Durst?

 

[LSDreamer13]

I didn't think the sixties were that bonkers. I think LSD is more commonly available now to far more people than it ever was in the 60's.

I don't think it's the dose - it's the person taking the dose. In the 60's you had John Lennon taking it, nowadays who is taking it? Fred Durst?

Hahahaha fuck Fred Durst.

 

[Flickering]

This bit I've put in bold. With your current experience how could you know? I once took 180ug at a festival and I couldn't even see I was so fucked. Later I took 150ug at my mates house and it was a substantially less intense, lots of really bizarre imagery but very slow and easy to handle. I think the quality of the acid, the set and setting are so often overlooked these days, the dosage is only a lone factor.
You never know when your LSD experience is going to feel like you're plummeting at 200km/h nowhere in particular because your just sitting in a chair, or your just going to be able to passively observe some beautiful and bizarre imagery and go about your business.

Like someone said earlier in the thread take 250 or 300, you will not be disappointed, it is a very deep rabbit hole.

Well yeah, good point, I am only guessing. But I did say that I'll only be taking 250 - 300 (2.5 tabs). Who can say how strong that will be... especially since it will probably be less than a week after taking ibogaine.