Mdme

[n.ireland chemist]

I bought it that MDME from an online vendor, takes a while to kick in, I snorted about half a gram in the space of an hour with no effect then all of a sudden bang, I was on the moon for about five hours

 

[Mr.Happy]

I bought it that MDME from an online vendor, takes a while to kick in, I snorted about half a gram in the space of an hour with no effect then all of a sudden bang, I was on the moon for about five hours

Good thing it's not as active as pretty much every other recreational RC out there, then.

 

[PhyllipThylamine]

That sounds like some rather overzealous experimentation ^ Do take more care with new chemicals, or ones about which we have doubts! 500mg of something strong might've been a bit more than "on the moon for 5 hours" & more like, "woke up in ICU a week later".

If the same nomenclature rules applied as for MDMA, then MethyleneDioxy(-N-)Meth(-alpha-)Ethylphenethylamine is correct, yes.

But that compound is simply MBDB which is the non cathinone version of butylone.

If this product actually has an N-ethyl it would be something like MDE / MDEA.

Anyway it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Maybe it's really N-methoxy-MDA, in which case the full name would be MethyleneDioxyMethoxyAmphetamine.

Thank you learned friend, I just extrapolated from what little I've picked up here & in Phikal lol Not recieving any actual scientific data regarding this possible compound when reputable companies do so willingly raises concerns. But I have read many good reports of the stuff elsewhere so I'm still on the fence about it. I would have thought however, that Methylenedioxymethoxyamphetamine, should this indeed be that, might fail to bypass the legisation regarding amphetamines & their derivatives?

 

[snafu]

Ok my MDME tablets just came..

But....

I ordered 5 tablets that the vendor said had 100mg each, but there were 6 tablets and the label on the bag said 110mg each... I want to send one in for testing asap.

 

[Solipsis]

I would have thought however, that Methylenedioxymethoxyamphetamine, should this indeed be that, might fail to bypass the legisation regarding amphetamines & their derivatives?

For both the US and the UK, yes I'd think so too. But since I am in west/central europe I am not an expert on their legislation, frankly it's too depressing almost, to investigate that.

 

[PhyllipThylamine]

I would have thought however, that Methylenedioxymethoxyamphetamine, should this indeed be that, might fail to bypass the legisation regarding amphetamines & their derivatives?

For both the US and the UK, yes I'd think so too. But since I am in west/central europe I am not an expert on their legislation, frankly it's too depressing almost, to investigate that.

. . . & errmmmm there are of course plenty of internet dealers selling all sortsa illicit compounds from open, UK based websites with no effort whatsoever to disguise their activities. If this so-called MDME was in fact MDMA or the above mentioned Methoxyamphetamine analogue, the vendor retailing it is at least trying to look legit . . .

 

[Solipsis]

How's that? Trying to look legit, that to me sounds like a vendor would imply that there is reference to a compound that bypasses legislature. Calling something MDME would attract nothing but attention to the fact that it's MDMx, right?
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you and you could mean that by legit you mean the vendor wants to spread the message that he has an MDMx even if the exact identity is dubious.

I for one am not fond of vendors using nomenclature but failing to provide the proper structural formula or full IUPAC name. No vagueness should be imported or exported by these figures, but I don't think my campaign to get brephedrone off the market helped either so all in all my faith in popular sources tends to be low. Actually it's been a while since I ordered anything from any site.

So I found the source within 2 minutes, I see that they are under the impression that they have found a clever way to make it all totally legal under UK law, however if we take a peek on erowid:

Phenethylamines#
Regarding phenethylamines, as of Febuary 2002 every single PEA described in PiHKAl as well as many variations not listed in PiHKAL are illegal in the UK because of the following additions to the law. A new catch-all phenethylamine clause which covers most known active PEA's. In particular this clause covers mescaline analogues, DOx, 2C-x, 2C-T-x, MMDA analogues, MDMA analogues TMA's and many others as well. the clause is:

"any compound (not being methoxyphenamine or a compound for the time being specified in sub-paragraph (a) above) structurally derived from phenethylamine, an N-alkylphenethylamine, alpha-methylphenethylamine, an N-alkyl-alpha-methylphenethylamine, alpha-ethylphenethylamine, or an N-alkyl-alpha-ethylphenethylamine by substitution in the ring to any extent with alkyl, alkoxy, alkylenedioxy or halide substitutents, whether or not further substituted in the ring by one or more other univalent substituents;"
The law includes a systematic explicit addition of every single PEA's found in PiHKAL that isn't covered by the aforementioned clause on the list of class A drugs.

In particular:
PEA substituted on the nitrogen of the sidechain with a subsituent other than alkyl (FLEA & the HOTs, MDAL, etc...)
PEA's substituted on the beta carbon (all the BOx,etc...)
PEA's with divalent substituents on the benzene ring (F-22, 2C-G-x,etc...)
Phentermine derivates
This revision has been skillfully designed so that not a single item of PiHKAL can escape to the law. In any case all the PEAs on the RC market are all covered by the catch all clause.

Source

So I don't know if they are retarded or try to look that way for an insanity plea but I don't think anybody is getting away with anything, no.

We are bordering on specific source discussion, I intentionally paraphrase everything and do not quote them but all be aware that more direct reference than subtle comes with consequences.
BL is not here to help you get drugs, not even shitty ones. I tried to remain subtle in the hope that this will make it unnecessary to go deeper into the matter with one or more of these sources. Watch your step.

 

[snafu]

I just made an MDME trip report. I braved it up and dropped before sending it in for testing. And I can say it's certainly characteristic of MDxx.

 

[dip12]

I think I can guess what this could be (A novel compound relatively recently predicted as a possible MDMA type drug). I strongly DOUBT that it contains MDME (i.e methylenedioxymethoxyamphetamine)

This feels much more like a 'neo-organics' / 'spice' moment, I.e it becoming popular before people know what it actually contains, and contrary to ingredients listed.

 

[Solipsis]

Actually I remember that we have a policy against this kind of discussions, I think this will first be checked with crew to review the reasoning behind it but for example "mesketamine" threads were not allowed when they popped up a while ago. The basic point is that it is bad practice to try and inform each other about something that has not yet been cleared up. Until it is made clear what drug we are really talking about these threads are highly susceptible to disinformation and the 'misinformation effect'.

The post above this one is again veering into ID territory and I ought to admit that I have also participated in undesirable speculation.

Until further notice this is not yet closed but instead under high scrutiny.

 

[Solipsis]

Alright after further deliberation this thread is being shut down for the time being for reasons I gave above until someone can provide us with new evidence. Until then a combination of the 'no ID threads' and no 'brand-name drug discussion' rules apply, by the latter I mean we only allow talk about known compounds or ingredients, not preparations that only have a commercial name.

Thizz machine and others: if you can get Lab results and send them to a mod then we can post that result here and continue discussing something of which we actually know what it is.