British scientist have classified MDMA as the 18th most dangerous drug if used in moderation. I am actually surprised but they do have a point because I do MDMA in moderation and I still feel myself and its not addictive at all. What do you think?
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MDMA is considered very safe in moderation
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epic11
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Seems safe to me too as long as ur smart, test ur shit, and take breaks between rolls. I wait 90 days.
Folley
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That list is old an off, but this is pretty much true.
When used responsibly MDMA is a very safe drug. But without the proper breaks and in stupid amounts, it can be quite the opposite
When used responsibly MDMA is a very safe drug. But without the proper breaks and in stupid amounts, it can be quite the opposite
What your mean by test your shit ? you can get your mdma tested???? and you say you should wait for 90 days until your next trip ?
Folley
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Reagent testing, it uses special chemicals that turn color on contact with certain chemicals. Read about it here
http://www.dancesafe.org/node/14312
90 days is the recommended amount of time to take in between rolls to prevent most of the damage, but its generally seen that once a month is OK, but pushing it a bit
http://www.dancesafe.org/node/14312
90 days is the recommended amount of time to take in between rolls to prevent most of the damage, but its generally seen that once a month is OK, but pushing it a bit
Darksidesam
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from my own experience of taking mdma for over a year now,
30 day waits are perfect in the beginning.
If you dont abuse mdma right from the start, you can use the 30 day rule quite well for around 90 days,
But then you will find you do have to wait longer, i have to wait around 45+ days now, (I like to get as far as i can on 100mg every time, like a first timer)
30 day waits are perfect in the beginning.
If you dont abuse mdma right from the start, you can use the 30 day rule quite well for around 90 days,
But then you will find you do have to wait longer, i have to wait around 45+ days now, (I like to get as far as i can on 100mg every time, like a first timer)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxVCncCGMg
i am actually surprised but i think they are telling the truth because i still feel normal after doing mdma in moderation
i am actually surprised but i think they are telling the truth because i still feel normal after doing mdma in moderation
Andronicus
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It depends on how you define dangerous. Chance of dying from one dose are very low indeed. Chances of sustaining permanent changes to your brain might be quite high depending on which research turns out to be correct.
sextacy67
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Yea some of the list is way way off... Like the way they judge things, if not that many people do it its not considred to be that big of a deal despite it being able to kill you.
I hate to sound like a jobless hippie defending weed, but weed for example socred way to high. The same women being interview basically said mdma was not dangerous and weed is very dangerous (yeah...?) (i think were all in agreance here that constant mdma use is worse for you). They go on to say the reason it scored so high is because the cancer thing (not yet been proven/ thc dosent have to be smoked) and its ablility to bring on phycosis (also not yet proven, and is mainly aimed at people who already have schizophrena). They are also pretty much assuming everyone was responsible with mdma (using pure and only once every few months, but with weed they just assumed it was a daily thing)
Thats just one example of why i thought this list was off. This list was also not "whats the worst drug in britan" it was more like, what drugs are most used and causing the most problems.
I hate to sound like a jobless hippie defending weed, but weed for example socred way to high. The same women being interview basically said mdma was not dangerous and weed is very dangerous (yeah...?) (i think were all in agreance here that constant mdma use is worse for you). They go on to say the reason it scored so high is because the cancer thing (not yet been proven/ thc dosent have to be smoked) and its ablility to bring on phycosis (also not yet proven, and is mainly aimed at people who already have schizophrena). They are also pretty much assuming everyone was responsible with mdma (using pure and only once every few months, but with weed they just assumed it was a daily thing)
Thats just one example of why i thought this list was off. This list was also not "whats the worst drug in britan" it was more like, what drugs are most used and causing the most problems.
sextacy67
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I do think mdma is safe if used responsibly. I just think that list is wack lol
rocknroll702
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weed very dangerous -- anyone saying that should be more or less blacklisted - fuckin morons
Folley
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If you actually take a look at the study, they are not placing the drugs in order by how much damage they do, but by how dangerous they are, from factors including: How many people use it, how often most of those people use it, effects on personality, physical problems that occur from using, and a few others that I forget.
augustaB
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This information was contained in the Nutt report. Nutt was the chairman of a committee reporting to parliament on drug safety and the law. Cannabis was in fact found to be more problematic than MDMA, but less problematic than alcohol. Interestingly GHB was also at the bottom of the hazard list. The report did not just consider the possibility of addiction, but also the social and health cares impacts of use. The least problematic drug on the list was khat.
Nutt's report was totally ignored and he was forced to resign.
He also got into trouble a year later by saying that taking mdma was about as risky as certain sports, such as horse riding.
Of course the Brits went nuts about that one.
check Wikipedia to see more about David Nutt and view a chart of the results of his study.
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^ Thank you for posting this Augusta.
David Nutt's list is damned laughable.
Too often people think scientists and doctors are more qualified to make statements about the brain than they really are.
We are only just beginning to understand the brain!
His list is a disgrace to the University and he had to resign from his post, including his position with the government.
It is among the most stupid and dangerous claims about MDMA I have come across in my time.
Sure, alcohol is very damaging.
It is widely used and it causes brain atrophy with long-term use, mostly in glial cells.
As a result neurons are also lost, making alcohol neurotoxic.
And mixing it with a number of other drugs increases negative reactions.
Cigarettes are obviously quite deadly with long-term use as well.
Should we conclude that the relative few deaths from MDMA makes alcohol and tobacco more dangerous?
Um, no.
If MDMA were used as widely and regularly as other drugs, we would have LOTS of data on death and brain damage in its users.
And I have PLENTY of friends who did MDMA in the 90s that consider it "the most dangerous drug of all."
Why is it that current users have so little contact with former users?
Plenty of MDMA users will eventually claim lasting cognitive and emotional impairments.
And some will conclude that it is very dangerous, based upon their own experience.
Just because death from MDMA is rare, does not make it SAFE.
It is a proven potent neurotoxin that damages the highest serotonin axons in the brain!
This changes our most highly evolved thoughts, feelings, and visceral experiences in life.
And repeated doses, especially on consecutive days, is PROVEN to cause more neurotoxicity!
Where is this in the Nutt report?
As amazing as the experience is, MDMA produces damage and 'alterations' in the brain FAR more quickly than most drugs. This truth has been well known on BL for many years...
And plenty of research papers have found cognitive deficits even among moderate MDMA users.
And heavier users reliably score worse on tests of executive function, self-regulation, depression/anxiety well past one year of abstinence!
And then there is evidence of loss in blood perfusion to many brain regions, diminished serotonin and dopamine transmission, altered endocrine function, and major down-regulation of serotonin in the cortex at multiple years of abstinence!
Cognitive decline in moderate users is perhaps the greatest evidence that MDMA is not 'safe' in the right doses.
What do I consider 'safe' use?
Realistically, 100-200 mg of MDMA taken twice per YEAR could be considered relatively safe.
But even this will produce detectable changes after a few years.
Accept it and roll with that knowledge.
MDMA is a neurotoxin.
Period.
Have fun accordingly.
David Nutt's list is damned laughable.
Too often people think scientists and doctors are more qualified to make statements about the brain than they really are.
We are only just beginning to understand the brain!
His list is a disgrace to the University and he had to resign from his post, including his position with the government.
It is among the most stupid and dangerous claims about MDMA I have come across in my time.
Sure, alcohol is very damaging.
It is widely used and it causes brain atrophy with long-term use, mostly in glial cells.
As a result neurons are also lost, making alcohol neurotoxic.
And mixing it with a number of other drugs increases negative reactions.
Cigarettes are obviously quite deadly with long-term use as well.
Should we conclude that the relative few deaths from MDMA makes alcohol and tobacco more dangerous?
Um, no.
If MDMA were used as widely and regularly as other drugs, we would have LOTS of data on death and brain damage in its users.
And I have PLENTY of friends who did MDMA in the 90s that consider it "the most dangerous drug of all."
Why is it that current users have so little contact with former users?
Plenty of MDMA users will eventually claim lasting cognitive and emotional impairments.
And some will conclude that it is very dangerous, based upon their own experience.
Just because death from MDMA is rare, does not make it SAFE.
It is a proven potent neurotoxin that damages the highest serotonin axons in the brain!
This changes our most highly evolved thoughts, feelings, and visceral experiences in life.
And repeated doses, especially on consecutive days, is PROVEN to cause more neurotoxicity!
Where is this in the Nutt report?
As amazing as the experience is, MDMA produces damage and 'alterations' in the brain FAR more quickly than most drugs. This truth has been well known on BL for many years...
And plenty of research papers have found cognitive deficits even among moderate MDMA users.
And heavier users reliably score worse on tests of executive function, self-regulation, depression/anxiety well past one year of abstinence!
And then there is evidence of loss in blood perfusion to many brain regions, diminished serotonin and dopamine transmission, altered endocrine function, and major down-regulation of serotonin in the cortex at multiple years of abstinence!
Cognitive decline in moderate users is perhaps the greatest evidence that MDMA is not 'safe' in the right doses.
What do I consider 'safe' use?
Realistically, 100-200 mg of MDMA taken twice per YEAR could be considered relatively safe.
But even this will produce detectable changes after a few years.
Accept it and roll with that knowledge.
MDMA is a neurotoxin.
Period.
Have fun accordingly.
satanistoner
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MDMA is safer then caffine.
satanistoner
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Cigs will KILL YOU if used as derected.
Folley
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NO ITS NOT
what the fuck? Try taking caffeine everyday, then try taking MDMA everyday.
Some people I swear to God... how does that even make sense to you? A potent serotonin releasing drug, is safer than a weak ass stimulant comparable to sugar.... come on really? Dont talk out of your ass.
Cigarettes will only kill you from things like lung cancer, and its going to take smoking packs everyday to get that. You could DIE from one MDMA dose.