MDPV Megathread 7: ektamine, we all approve and miss you

[FlippingTop]

hey dedbeet!

Glad to see you are still about After your last episode I didn't think I would even see you on BL for that much longer




A good scientist indeed!

 

[nekointheclouds]

Hi all, it's been about six months... just wanted to say 'hello' to the group... i have been a good scientist the past 6 months and haven't tested anything but the time may be rolling around again.... however my MDPV tests are complete and peer reviewed, don't think i will be testing it any more .

hey Dedbeet, I havent been to the MDPV threads in months, and dicided to pop in and say hi, how funny that you do the same thing on the same day!

Hello other PeeVee heads,

Many of you prolly dont know me cause i have been clean of MDPV since shortly after Ektamine died. Im happy to say Im still very much clean of MDPV and physically recovered. How ever even now I am still making the efforts to put my life back together.

That was the worse part of MDPV, if you survive the high you still have to survive the after math.

I hope everyone is doing well and staying safe. The MDPV mega threads were and are a landmine of good info to help keep your high as safe as it can be.

 

[Dedbeet]

hey dedbeet!

Glad to see you are still about After your last episode I didn't think I would even see you on BL for that much longer


A good scientist indeed!

I quit pretty much everything for six months... after breaking my foot, that was enough ... P.S. hiya Neko

 

[koneko]

Hey nekointheclouds its lovely to see you dropping in. Glad things have worked out with peevee, it's a bitch innit

A stim to far for me, far too devilish...

 

[Dedbeet]

Hey nekointheclouds its lovely to see you dropping in. Glad things have worked out with peevee, it's a bitch innit

A stim to far for me, far too devilish...

not to mention, the risk factor has gone up in the States (too) with it being scheduled.... I am through with it, but prolly not with the pyrovalerone compounds altogether... life has been too boring lately and it may be time for a few experiments ... peace!

 

[nekointheclouds]

Hi Hi Kate,

Indeed it is, Stims have always been my fav of drugs, and there for the ones i abuse the worst.

And peevee is a hell of a stim. I stick to my adderal these days.

 

[scrooloose]

I had a frightening psychotic experience with MDPV. Thank fuck the people around at the time know me,i was accusing them of all sorts of things and they managed to calm me down as my imaginary 'plots' started to diminish. I will NEVER go near that shit again. It was very real at the time.

@Mailmonkey,do you not add cialis into your drug fuelled shagathons? With meph i feel like i'm on the brink of an orgasm but can only achieve a semi until the meph calmed down a bit then BOOM!!!!!!!!
I only used it really for masturbatory purposes,well sometimes talking to people or maybe that should read gibbering.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Hi Dedbeet. Good to hear from you. I think my adventures with PV are also done with. The stuff seems to be a total health disaster for me since i started smoking it. It gives me a horrendous cough, on this occasion i still havent shaken it off, one week after my last session. No other ROA seems worthwhile after experiencing smoking it though...

Of late ive only been ordering 1 g of it every couple of months or so, and then caining it all in one session, or flushing whatever was left at the end of it. This was because my self control was so non existent. I found the perfect dose for me, 6 good tokes per hour. Could i stick to that schedule though ? Could I fuck ! Last weekend I ended up toking it almost constantly for 24 hours. Not surprisingly i was jittery and over-stimmed as fuck. It felt as if my heart and lungs were in a really bad state.

I dont know what it is about Peeve. For me, theres no straightforward euphoric high that i enjoy from it....Time certainly flies by on the stuff though...After every session ive been telling myself that I never want to take the stuff again. But then, after a couple of months or so, it keeps calling me back.....

 

[Dedbeet]

Hi Dedbeet. Good to hear from you. I think my adventures with PV are also done with. The stuff seems to be a total health disaster for me since i started smoking it. It gives me a horrendous cough, on this occasion i still havent shaken it off, one week after my last session. No other ROA seems worthwhile after experiencing smoking it though...

Of late ive only been ordering 1 g of it every couple of months or so, and then caining it all in one session, or flushing whatever was left at the end of it. This was because my self control was so non existent. I found the perfect dose for me, 6 good tokes per hour. Could i stick to that schedule though ? Could I fuck ! Last weekend I ended up toking it almost constantly for 24 hours. Not surprisingly i was jittery and over-stimmed as fuck. It felt as if my heart and lungs were in a really bad state.

I dont know what it is about Peeve. For me, theres no straightforward euphoric high that i enjoy from it....Time certainly flies by on the stuff though...After every session ive been telling myself that I never want to take the stuff again. But then, after a couple of months or so, it keeps calling me back.....

I hear u... there is a mystery to its attraction, for sure . Will be interesting to compare A-PVP, which I suspect is very similar if not identical in effects, duration and other aspects (the pyrovalerone component being the main active in these substances, whereas the "methylenedioxy" seemed not to change it significantly).

A-PVP being legal (unscheduled) in the states, too, this is a "harm reduction" aspect to me... so am definitely looking forward to testing my rats on this substance. If it's *too* similar tho, it may be going in the trash... have had it with the crazier aspects. Pentedrone also looks VERY interesting here, if I can ever find anyone who isn't sold out of it... .

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

I've used a lot of mdpv over the years, mostly vapped, and Ive grown quite fond of alpha pvp lately. At first I didnt care much for it but after a few trials it really grew on me.

APVP smells, tastes and feels dirter than mdpv. Its harsher on the nose (and lungs if vaped) and just feels/tastes sorta like mdpv thats had a little dirt mixed in. Sorta has that pv like smell once it gets wet inside your nositrils but its definetly got its own unique flavor that is kinda nasty but quickly grows on you.

Alpha PVP is not as good as mdpv in almost every way. Its not as stimulating, euphoric, long lasting and not quite as potent by weigh. It doesnt produce the same level of horniness but its not completely devoid of it either.

The things I like more about APVP over mdpv is that it doesnt seem to cause psychosis as quickly or as easily as mdpv does. These days I cannot vap mdpv in any amount without losing my mind so now I usually only insuffilate mdpv (and apvp). APVP most definetly will cause psychosis if over used (either too much at once or over too long of a peroid of time) but the psychosis it causes seems to be more manageable and it usually doesn't last very long (for me atleast). One thing I have noticed is that the psychosis alpha pvp produces seems to be more visually oriented than mdpv... meaning, I tend to get more visual hallucinations with alpha pvp than I usually did on mdpv. Objects like walls tend to shift around (especially in dark areas) and I tend to feel odd sensations on my body as if a stranger was poking or prodding me just to be annoying (lol). Alpha pvp's psychosis is way less of the "omg Im being watched by something I cant see" and more just a sense of general anxiety or paranoia.

Also, I tend to find I am able to sleep each night when using alpha pvp on a regular basis whereas with mdpv sleep wasnt possible until I stopped completely. Alpha pvp is less moresish and easier to put down than mdpv by a mile.

I don't have much experience vaporizing APVP yet so I cannot really comment on that but I did try it a few times and it definetly worked. Vaping it was too harsh for my tastes and I tend to get too much anxiety/paranoia from that route so I discontinued experimenting that way.

Dedbeat, I think you will like alpha pvp based on what I know about you through your posts but don't expect it to be too much like pv. Thesedays I actually prefer APVP over mdpv simply because pv causes psychosis nearly every time I use it regardless of the dose or route.

 

[Dedbeet]

^ Thanks much for the info, it does sound like I will like it based on that. No biggie here that it's "dirtier"... what's important to me is just a general stim that has somewhat a pro-sexual quality, can be entertaining to test and is not as crazymaking as MDPV... sounds like APVP may very well fit the bill. The sleep aspect and lesser comedown/moreishness sound good too. Appreciate the info!

 

[sockpuppet]

It's good to see some people doing so well.

Dedbeet - it's none of my biz and you don't know me (probably) but I'm hoping you'll extend your break another 6 months for the time being. I've been enjoying reading your material for years and am always in the market for more vicarious stim adventures (having quit stims myself before the modern era of giant clean shards, peevee, etc), but I'll happily give up the cheap voyeuristic thrills in your case if you feel like staying clean awhile longer. From long experience I'll bet you find life gets considerably less boring if you can stay dopamine neutral another 6 months to 1 year. Please excuse my kibbitzing and have fun in any case. I've dug your writing a lot....

 

[Dedbeet]

It's good to see some people doing so well.

Dedbeet - it's none of my biz and you don't know me (probably) but I'm hoping you'll extend your break another 6 months for the time being. I've been enjoying reading your material for years and am always in the market for more vicarious stim adventures (having quit stims myself before the modern era of giant clean shards, peevee, etc), but I'll happily give up the cheap voyeuristic thrills in your case if you feel like staying clean awhile longer. From long experience I'll bet you find life gets considerably less boring if you can stay dopamine neutral another 6 months to 1 year. Please excuse my kibbitzing and have fun in any case. I've dug your writing a lot....

Too late for that, my lab already made the order. In any case, I will be fine, appreciate the concern. Just been a bit too bored recently and it is time to test a new RC.

P.S. fwiw, I probably won't be blabbering out any trip reports or stimmed-up talk this time on any forums... doesn't feel like "my style" any more. The last month of last year's PV use was very sobering (well, maybe that's not the right word to use, chuckle). Also, I have not been dopamine-neutral the past 6 months, just MDPV-free. Peace...

 

[sockpuppet]

P.S. fwiw, I probably won't be blabbering out any trip reports or stimmed-up talk this time on any forums... doesn't feel like "my style" any more. The last month of last year's PV use was very sobering

Thanks for taking my big nose in your biz as intended. Hope you have safe fun whatever you do - BUT I do hope you'll keep writing and posting not just because I enjoyed them from an amoral voyeuristic perspective but also because you have long been on point about the completely addictive/compulsive nature of these super stims, and have long served as a cautionary voice not often heard in a forum where many are still in honeymoon dopamine euphoria. I think a collection of your posts under this and other names over the years would be invaluable reading for people not already deep into stims who are considering "researching" a little peevee or cousins.....

Anyway - love your stuff/perspective and good to see you well....

Now everyone else please carry one with filthy stim sex stories.....my compassionate neuron is done firing for awhile..... ;-)

 

[Dedbeet]

Currently testing a-PVP (alpha-PVP)... quite honestly (and despite what I have read), it is so similar to MDPV that I feel confident posting about it in the MDPV thread. This stuff is basically MDPV that has been slightly altered to get around the laws, and I figure given the U.S. "1 year temporary ban" on MDPV, they will add this stuff to the ban if it ever gets popular enough to cause trouble. May in fact be why they imposed a "temporary" ban in the first place...

It's slightly darker than MDPV, smells a little stronger than MDPV, clumps a little more, and that's basically where I stop tracking differences that feel significant. Have read that the comedown should be easier due to chemical structure, and it feels subjectively like it might not be as compulsive, nor as "insanity-prone"... but have not tested it enough at this point to determine this conclusively.

It is in fact impossible to compare two substances at all, cuz u can't test them both simultaneously -- that would be the only true way, to switch consciousnesses in the middle of the testing. But they both look, walk and quack like mallard ducks... one female, one male, maybe.

P.S. if in fact it is less compulsive, insanity producing and/or has an easier comedown, that would be a HUGE benefit over regular peevee, in my view... the tasmanian devil of research chemicals, to quote someone in another review.

 

[Dedbeet]

Some early MDPV vs. a-PVP (alpha-PVP) comparisons...

aPVP (alpha-PVP) vs. MDPV comparison:

**These are two very similar chemicals in structure, based on pyrovalerone and resembling non-identical twins in their nature, or a "female" vs. "male" mallard duck... however, they both walk, look and quack like a duck, not a duck/crow (as an example) **.

Also, my qualifications: Regular and in-depth experience with MDPV practically since the day it came out in the early-mid 2000's, and a recent introduction to aPVP via a well-trusted and reliable source.

MDPV (appearance): Powdery white-to-tan.
A-PVP: Clumpy tan to dark tan.

MDPV (odor): Mild "pyrrolidine" type odor (like smelly sweat-socks).
A-PVP: Heavier (moderate) "pyrrolidine" type odor.

MDPV (solubility): Dissolves in H2O with difficulty, mild "pyrrolidine" type odor in solution.
A-PVP: Dissolves readily, heavier (moderate) "pyrrolidine" type odor in solution.

MDPV (smokeability): Vapes somewhat uncleanly, mild to moderate harshness/odor.
A-PVP: Vapes very easily/cleanly, moderate to heavy harshness/odor.

MDPV (onset and duration): Slow to medium onset of effects, lesser dosage needed, greater duration.
A-PVP: Rapid onset of effects (all tested ROA's), 1/4 to 1/3 greater dosage needed, lesser duration.

Summary (useful info): a-PVP vapes better than MDPV, but is harder on the lungs and harsher. Effects come on faster, but last a shorter period of time and more is needed than with MDPV. A "rush" is possible/likely with a-PVP (particularly if smoked or injected), and unlikely with MDPV.

The "highs" are otherwise quite similar -- plain old NDRI (norepinephrine/dopamine) reuptake inhibition and stimulation with varying/unpredictable euphoria, an increase in sexual tendencies and unpleasant tweaking at higher dosages.

APVP "feels like" a cruder, harsher and less sophisticated (but faster-acting and smoother burning) version of MDPV. MDPV is like "high end/fancy/fussy" and aPVP is "low end, poor man, easy-going" version of the same thing.

Given the faster onset and shorter duration of effects, it is possible that a-PVP will be more compulsive than MDPV via rapid onset ROA's (smoking, slamming), but it may take longer to take hold and have an easier/shorter comedown when the user regains willpower. Vapers may experience lung damage/pain with a-PVP (temporary, most likely, but who knows). It is likely (from my research, including contact with a professional source that suggests it) that a-PVP degrades/loses potency substantially faster than MDPV, whether in solution or not, and so care in storage is more of a factor.

 

[FlippingTop]

^I have been waiting for a post like that for ages! I thought I was going to have to be the one drawing up a full comparison when I eventually did try it.

Thank's so much

How long is it until you are back to baseline after smoking/snorting?

Can you compare doses to each other, 5mg MDPV =...

How is the vasoconstriction?

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Thanks for the compare and contrast DB. Makes for interesting reading.

I'm sure its as honest & reliable a report as you're likely to find on-line. You havent sold me on the stuff though (I know that wasnt your intention). What puts me off in particular is that you think it's even harder/harsher on the lungs than PV. I find PV bad enough in this regard. I'm still wheezing like an asthmatic geriatric about 10 days after my last heavy session. (I reckon if I'd quit cigarettes for a while afterwards this would have cleared up quickly - but unable to do so right now...)

 

[Dedbeet]

Thanks for the compare and contrast DB. Makes for interesting reading.

I'm sure its as honest & reliable a report as you're likely to find on-line. You havent sold me on the stuff though (I know that wasnt your intention). What puts me off in particular is that you think it's even harder/harsher on the lungs than PV. I find PV bad enough in this regard. I'm still wheezing like an asthmatic geriatric about 10 days after my last heavy session. (I reckon if I'd quit cigarettes for a while afterwards this would have cleared up quickly - but unable to do so right now...)

Not trying to sell anyone, fwiw, just posting thoughts on it as they happen to come up.

I was correct, btw... it is more compulsive than MDPV, when vaped anyway. And now, back to running with the wolves...

 

[Allein]

Yeah we want them post Dedbeet they are part of the BL flavour and have been sorely missed, I look forward to seeing them return :D