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The Pain Management Mega Thread v2.0

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Wish we could get mmj here. Im thinking of going holland just to get it prescribed so that customs have to import it for me, some bloke managed it so it is a possibility. I am in full blown opiate and benzo wds atm thanks to this country's incompetence :(
 
As to the mmj. When I first became a PM patient after our move to CO, I was given a UA and had to admit that I had been taking Hydro 7.5 and mmj. The doctor then said that I had to make a choice, either opiates/muscle relaxers from him, or mmj (but not both). I figure that since I'm going to be turning down more prescriptions that I should be in my rights to go back to mmj. Of course, I also wonder if I can get a short term script of valium from him for after my taper is over and I begin to withdraw, because mmj only really works for me at night as Sativa's really mess with my head (anxiety, etc.). I know that I will have to pay the piper in some way though with my withdrawals. That's just the way the ball bounces.
 
To Doomed2pain: Not to get into to many details, but I was just in the Colchester area of the UK a few months ago staying with an American friend and he said that its not so hard to find mj (although its not Mmj). He also said that the society is fairly relaxed about it in general provided one uses some discretion. Am I wrong to assume this? Can't you go about getting it from a reliable person, one who perhaps also knows his/her different strains?
 
I can get it illicitly if i wanted to, the point is it is still illegal, still a class b substance and i do not want nor need a criminal record, your friend doesn't know much about our legal system i am afraid. They are actually a few people in the country that have been prescribed it, but it is an extremely difficult and tedious ordeal (much like the rest of the bs politics in this country)

My legal team are looking into it though as it is highly beneficial for my pain management and also too expensive for me to get illicitly and again like i said, i do not need a criminal record.

I can't understand if you are able to get mmj in your state, and that it would benefit you why your pm dr would be against it (pm here is absolutely ridiculous and i have been left in a worse state due to being treated by an incompetent dr, now having to receive private care as soon as i have the funding)

How about a different pm dr if that is a viable option for you?
 
Alright. First of all, sorry if Im doing this wrong or I'm in the wrong thread or whatever. Just got a computer so I'm new to this shit. Yall bear with me. My pain Dr has me on 40mg of methadone a day. It took my pain from a 8 or 9 out of 10 to a 6 or 7. Not bad but not great either. No history of abuse and will not prescribe anything else for thhe pain. So, Ive been trying to boost the methadone. So far I've tried the Tagament, grapefruit juice thing. It helps a little from what I can tell but not a lot. Anyone out there heard of the herb Quercentin? A dr in a article I read today says it will boost methadone. I also have a shitload of leftover Gabapentin. I read here in a thread that that works. Any experience with these things. I need some pain relief bad. I have blood clots in my legs, groin, and abdomen and I'm on blood thinners so I have to be cautious of what I take. Bummer. Thanks!
 
I'm thinking of asking my doc to switch me back to the 60mg Dihydrocodeine like i had in 2009. Right now i'm on 30/500 cocodamol & 50 mg tramadol with occasional 10/500 codydramol (dhc/apap) but the codydramol do nothing on their own so i'm always cwextracting them.

I have a cyst & what's called "costochondritis" - very bad chest pain from this. I thought i may have lung cancer or something but a chest xray & blood tests were all clear. So i'll check back in after i've spoke to my doc next week. Sure hope i can persuade him to script me the DHC 60's - they are excellent for long lasting pain relief, about 6 to 8 solid hours of it. With codeine right now i'm getting 3 hours of good pain releif but at higher doses than prescribed. The tram lasts a good while, like 6 hours, but the pain relief isnt that good, it just makes my head feel like a baloon which is about to float away.
 
I didnt get any off dhc, i was on 4 90mg tabs a day, then they whacked me on fentanyl patches with ir oxy, which brought me down to a 7 pain wise and made movement much easier for me but i ended up having an adverse reaction to the patches and cant get any other formulations due to govt saying too expensive. Im seeing a new specialist on the 31st and im crossing my fingers for sublingual fent and scs procedure, so keep em crossed for me. My pain is still through the roof and the crps is spreading rapidly up my left side right now, im reallly unwell.

Hope you get some relief, and so glad that your tests were all clear of the big c, that stuff is scary i had an experience similar at 17 with tumours in my uterus, turned out to be fibroids but was scary as hell.
 
^ I wish they did hydrocodone in england! Anybody know why not?? I mean we have diamorphine & oxycodone what's wrong with something stronger than codeine & dhc but less potent than morphine & oxy??
 
Because we have diamorphine i think. I read something that due to the pharmacology of hydrocodone, and the politics of our country it got banned in the 70s due to the vicodin situation in america at that time, there were lots of vicodin addicts as drs in that era prescribed them like smarties, the govt didn't want the same thing here. Something along those lines, it's all political nonsense, safe guarding etc as usual.
 
Not having health insurance absolutely sucks. I really need to reinstate it, but it is so ridiculously expensive... but the farther I get from the last time I took my medicine (before running out) the worse the pain gets. I've tried to use herbal remedies and supplements, but it's not nearly enough...
 
HI Doomed2pain

my name is Peter and just started out on bluellight. i made 2 posts. intro and 1 about Opiate rotation. some guys read my story and said we were both in similar situations. i live in Australia. 34 Male. If you can read my intro posts it will give you the run down. if you have time. i will like to talk with you about these things as i have no support. living in pain is something i can't explain to others. waking daily for the same routine. thats getting out of bed to sit in a chair. get dose of methadone from chemist, come straight home cause of the problems i got standing, stomach sickness daily from ulcers.

i have had spinal pain of sorts for 20 years. past 6 years has been another story after surgery. After they fuck you up your the one treated like a criminal for getting addicted to something they put you on. then throw you into a methadone program where they don't have to have anything to do with you. i also pay for the medication too. $90 per 2 weeks. out of a pension that is alot. If i was on Oxy or Fent the governement would have to sub/pay for most of it. So who are they really looking after? I'm dying and i have no doubt about it. more detail about that in intro posts

its changed everything about me. its broken me as a person forever
 
^ oh wow, doctors can be total assholes huh.
i would have thought there would be a free/cheap methadone service available for you, especially since you are on a pension. but i guess you would have already looked into that. im in a similar situation, 25, male in new zealand, on the sickness benefit. my wrist has be fucked for a year with no diagnosis as yet and not much help from doctors.
 
arsholes is being to nice mate. My entire spine is fucked bro. The thing is it wasnt anywhere like this before i had surgery and you would think if in a case were a surgeon has fucked you, you would be entitled to treatment. i was never 1 for sueing people for compensation. and in my Country you only have 3 years from point of problem. So i missed that also. it wasnt until 2.8 years after with no time left i new i had a serious problem that is going to be for life. i could live the rest of my life broke and be ok with that if i was treated properly. I had a dose of Methadone 2 hours ago mate (200mg or 40mls, it increased this week again) yet it only helps with part of the pain. its nothing like oxycontin as far as serious pain goes. pain that wakes you in the night, stops you from sleeping or waking up feeling half ok. walking, making a sandwitch, sweep the floor around your feet even. it really is that bad

There are different states in Australia with diff rules. I live Direct on the board of QLD/NSW where there is only 1 or 2 Doctors prescribing methadone or even allowed to have a say in my treatment. its complete bullshit mate, my normal GP of 11 years is not allowed to help me or even request from the Health Department that iam in alot of trouble and can't even look after myself anymore. iam only 34 and it started like this 27-28 years old.

i get 4 take away doses per week with this Doctor as it stands. everybody does in the entire region. I have to go back every 2 weeks for a new script to give to the chemist and for no reason. i don't know how he gets paid because i have never signed the normal doctors payment forms. i think he gets paid per script and has hundreds of people going to him... all because of the 4 take away doses per week. Nobody does this anywhere. So abusers can abuse as much as they like while i get the same treatment as they do. now i got nothing against drug users (puff puff give ya;ll), i do get upset that iam lying in bed everyday in real pain and its not the same for me as it is people on methadone for drug addiction not pain and i just can't deal with being treated like shit. everywhere from the begining.

doctors/hospitals don't want to give you any information if something goes wrong. they would be giving you ammo for a law suit as they see it. along with info they don't go out of there way to participate in your recovery. i know this for a fact. It was my father who once i was at home from hospital that noticed i had a serious problem with an infection in my spine. i thought it was just more pain i had to deal with.. mrsa golden staph infection is deadly if not treated.
 
4 takeaways per week makes it better as i can wake up and have it. not have to get down to the chemist daily anymore. thats a good thing. however the drug is not so good and now that ive been on it for 5 plus years, they should know from looking at me and all the evidence ive tried to provide that its not working. its only making my system need more of it.

back to participate in my recovery. The Hospital i had this done is the Royal Brisbane Hospital and the main hospital in QLD for Public system surgeries. the pain clinic is in the same building. The pain treatment team came to my bed daily for weeks in hospital. Now that things had gone wrong and i was out of hospital. My Doctor was trying to get my into the hospital pain clinic to take responsibilty for prescribing this medication now i needed it long term.

what happened then? The people that seen me daily for weeks didnt matter.. They told my GP that becuase i didnt attend an aapointment 3 years prior to surgery 110kms from where i was living 1 day it was there policy to refuse treatment. how fucked is that. At this stage i was a mess (mentally) I strongly believe if my health was treated in a Private System that things wouldnt have turned out like this
 
i was just reading something that may explain why methadone is not working for me like they think it should..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methadone

methadone is not technologically engineered for sustained release of the drug so blood concentrations will fluctuate greatly between dosing.

in this passage

Analgesic

In recent years, methadone has gained popularity among physicians for the treatment of other medical problems, such as an analgesic in chronic pain. Due to its activity at the NMDA receptor it may be more effective against neuropathic pain; for the same reason tolerance to the analgesic effects maybe lesser compared to other opioids. The increased usage comes as doctors search for an opioid drug that can be dosed less frequently than shorter-acting drugs like morphine or hydrocodone. Another factor in the increased usage is the low cost of methadone.[19][20][21]

While the cost for pain patients varies based on many factors, leading to few specifics in the literature, one source[22] states:


Prices vary; however, in some cases monthly costs to patients for oral methadone can be more than 30-fold less than equianalgesic doses of other generic or brand-name opioid analgesics.

A week's supply will typically have a retail cost of $50–$100 in the United States,[citation needed] compared to hundreds of dollars for alternative opioids. Methadone, with its long half-life (and thus long duration of effect) and good oral bioavailability, is a common second-choice drug for pain that does not respond to weaker agonists. A major drawback is that unlike OxyContin (oxycodone continuous release), methadone is not technologically engineered for sustained release of the drug so blood concentrations will fluctuate greatly between dosing. This problem is overcome to a great extent by the practice of dosing methadone two or three times a day in pain patients. Some physicians also choose methadone for treating chronic pain in patients who are thought to have a propensity for addiction, because it causes less of an intoxicated or euphoric "high". The effect is of morphine-equivalent origin
 
I am so sorry and hurt to read what you've been through. Pm me anytime and we can talk, please, please do.

Love, hope and healing thoughts <3




DJNJax said:
HI Doomed2pain

my name is Peter and just started out on bluellight. i made 2 posts. intro and 1 about Opiate rotation. some guys read my story and said we were both in similar situations. i live in Australia. 34 Male. If you can read my intro posts it will give you the run down. if you have time. i will like to talk with you about these things as i have no support. living in pain is something i can't explain to others. waking daily for the same routine. thats getting out of bed to sit in a chair. get dose of methadone from chemist, come straight home cause of the problems i got standing, stomach sickness daily from ulcers.

i have had spinal pain of sorts for 20 years. past 6 years has been another story after surgery. After they fuck you up your the one treated like a criminal for getting addicted to something they put you on. then throw you into a methadone program where they don't have to have anything to do with you. i also pay for the medication too. $90 per 2 weeks. out of a pension that is alot. If i was on Oxy or Fent the governement would have to sub/pay for most of it. So who are they really looking after? I'm dying and i have no doubt about it. more detail about that in intro posts

its changed everything about me. its broken me as a person forever
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DJNjax. Very interesting about methadone. I though my pain Dr was gonna put me on OxyCotin for my chronic pain. I was suprised when he put me on methadone. I would rather the Oxy, personally, and not just for the buzz. I think it works a lot better on my pain. The methadone I teake is 4 times a day, 10mg. I try to take it the samr times every day. I notice when I wake up, Im in a lot of pain. Do not understand why. Ive tried all the potentiating tricks and none of them seems to work, except gabapentin and quercetin. And, its not much help. Ant more ideas. I guess Im just stuck with methadone. Heck, its sure better than nothing, ta know. Good tidbit of info from ya. Thanks! Oh yeah, please hang in there with your back bro. I cant imagine being in that situation. I checked out you screws and bolts and shit. Scary stuff. Ill pray for ya dude. Take it easy!
 
thanks guys

i will pm you sometime soon Doomed. oh yeah closeau Oxycontin is the best. hands down. however if you abuse it, your tolorance starts pretty quick and it doesnt last 12 hours per 80mg. your looking at 8 hours. i was on 5x80 oxy at one stage for a couple of weeks. only cause the Doctor didnt know what the hell they were doing. when i was started on Oxy i was put on 160mg Oxy & 100 QR Tramadol. also was told it was ok the cut an 80 in half the dose a 40mg during the night. does this doc sound like they know what they are doing? at this stage i had never even heard of opiates in my life.

Methadone does not have Pain Killing legs. Its got a long half life in your fat stores but that doesnt translate into proper pain relief. its not stopping the withdrawl pain (that it brings with it)

In my own personal expirience and opinion as soon as my pain starts to increase again, the medication is not doing its job. I have not expirienced a long withdrawl before on methadone.. i have with oxy but, come off 5x80mgs with nothing to fall back on was hell that i never want to see again in my life. I will say that i did abuse oxy for a period, but it wasnt until 14months of being on it.

In Australia they don't give people methadone tablets for pain. They make you dose surip once a day. after the dose like i said i get high. i know iam high, but within hours as soon as i do anything (i mean anything) the so called Breakthrough pain just cripples me. If it doesnt get that bad right away you can bet about 2-4pm everyday iam in bed trying to take pressure off my spinal pain.
 
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