Tramadol in Thailand - not as strong as should be

[Ne0]

So you can get tramadol OTC totally legal in here Thailand. But I have noticed that it dosent seem to have same strenght as european ones do. I havent done any opioids for 2 months, and I use them rarely anyway, so its not issue of tolerance.

Ive done the metabolite of tramadoli odesmetyhltramadol which is about 5x more potent than tramadol, and 80mg gives me pretty nice high, that would equilvant about 400mg tramadol. Also I have eaten tramdols from finland, 100mg retard ones, only needed 2 of them (200mg) and it worked really really great.

The thing is that even 400mg thailand tramadol have no effects on me. I need to eat about 1000mg tramadol to get good high like I would get from finnish 200mg tramadol. I have tryed about three different brands and its all same. Do they actually rip off you like package says 50mg tramadol but actually it is 5mg or 10mg. I know that over 400mg tramadol can give you seizure so I am little bit scared about that. I took 1500mg tramadol now and 50mg diazepam, and have no problems with any seizure feeling or other. Does diazepam completely eliminate the risk of seizure.

Anyone have information about Thailand tramadols? Because Im confused of their low potency. Thanks for advance.

 

[Violenza666]

Probably bootlegs. Thailand is that way. I have been there before...

 

[Oxide]

I'm not sure about the potency of overseas OTC tramadol, but to answer your question regarding diazepam: Yes, it will. You only need a low dosage of a benzodiazepine to completely negate the tramadol seizure risk that comes with taking higher dosages.

 

[bpayne]

Just wanted to Chime in because I regularly receive tramadol from Thailand here in the States.. it's the Gruenthal tramal in the green and yellow capsule, and it is just as strong as any American equivalent brand name Tramadol that I have ever gotten here in America.. I order this tramadol quite regularly and usually with a small supply of Valium to go along with it, comes right through customs everytime no problem and the strength is exactly the same that I would expect from the American counterpart.. Thailand does have good tramadol

 

[Ne0]

Dude, you're in Thailand, and by that I mean three things. One, any pill you buy at a gas station is not going to be quality assured. Two, its an amazing country that you absolutely do not need tramadol to enjoy. Three, if for some reason you feel you really need a nod, you're in fucking Thailand; it would be a *slight* exaggeration to say cheap, strong heroin is everywhere, but it is almost everywhere there. Now, if you don't already use heroin, don't start, and remember that the laws over there are quite harsh; if you get arrested and can't bribe your way out of the situation ASAP, you could spend a decade in some hellhole that makes American prisons look like bed and breakfasts, so make sure to always have bribe money on hand (What's the average fee to get yourself out of a small dope posession arrest nowadays, I know it went up- $4,000 or something like that?)

Indeed I dont need tramadol or any other substances to enjoy Thailand. But I use it when I have been drinking and have hangover or just sometimes subsitude for alcohol. I think alcohol pretty much deeply sucks, so I rarther do tramadol than drink. Secondly I am not intrested on any stronger opioid than tramadol, I've tried buprenorphine but that was overkill I just need something that makes me more social and extrovert, not nodding, and tramadol is only substance that makes that for me. Alcohol makes me even more introvert and socially passive than I normally am (and I am extremely introvert + socially very passive). So its nice to time to time to be more extrovert and making some friends in Thailand. Also I am not intrested going to Thailand jail, tramadol is completely legal in Thailand and gives you no problem.

Also I do know danger of opioids, easy to get addicted and so on but I dont have any source in my home country anyway and not intrested to use any when I get back from Thailand, because mostly I enjoy solitude life in my home.

I'm not sure about the potency of overseas OTC tramadol, but to answer your question regarding diazepam: Yes, it will. You only need a low dosage of a benzodiazepine to completely negate the tramadol seizure risk that comes with taking higher dosages.

Thats good to hear, because I surely take large doses (1g) and need preventaton from seizure. Never had onetho'. II also eat 50mg Atarax to take off the nausea and itching andit boosts tramadol little bitrbut makesme very sleepy. Also is it ok to take about 300mg gabapentin with tramadol, ive heardthat lyrica isdangerous with tramadol but what about neurotin?

Just wanted to Chime in because I regularly receive tramadol from Thailand here in the States.. it's the Gruenthal tramal in the green and yellow capsule, and it is just as strong as any American equivalent brand name Tramadol that I have ever gotten here in America.. I order this tramadol quite regularly and usually with a small supply of Valium to go along with it, comes right through customs everytime no problem and the strength is exactly the same that I would expect from the American counterpart.. Thailand does have good tramadol

My tramadols are also been green-yellow capsules, but not Gruenthal. Tramalgesig or something like that from decent westernish pharmacy in mall was best so far only 1e for 10x50mg capsules. I think these worked better than others. Also I tried tramadol retard nd some other made in thailand tramadol and some other cant remember, and they all are pretty much inactive at doses under 1g. I'm confused I should not have tolerance to them, maybe now but not in the start. I donmt think that my two month back kratom and codeine use for three days has affected.

Probably bootlegs. Thailand is that way. I have been there before...

Yes that what I think to. Well its not problem if there is actually 50% less active substance then labeled, as far there are no other chemicals, poisons or other stuff that can be dangerous, only the tramadol and chalk.

Well going to take break from tramadol now anyway.

 

[effie]

Please don't start taking heroin because the tramadol is weak :D

It depends if it is legit tramadol or not. Counterfeit meds are very common in the UK blackmarket and can have anything from zero upwards of the active ingredient in them..

Oxide's right about the diazepam but it still makes me nervous people taking heroic doses of tramadol plus a benzo - seizure threshold varies from person to person, and changes depending what other drugs you are ingesting - yes it will protect you but personally I wouldn't rely on it. No "seizure-type feelings" is no protection really - by the time you got any warning it would be the aura of the seizure and it would be too late.

Careful mixing your opioids and benzos too..

I'd also be worried that if my tramadol was counterfeit, perhaps my diazepam was too, and one day Ii'd take some talc-pills with 1500mg tramadol and seize.. it really is a complex and potentially dangerous drug, tramadol, and I couldn't advise anyone to take more than 400mg/day no matter what the circumstances..

This thread is borderline haha, we don't do generic vs brand threads, or substance IDs, or regional threads, but it's not quite any of those, and I think the point about seizure risk is an important one

 

[Ne0]

Please don't start taking heroin because the tramadol is weak :D

It depends if it is legit tramadol or not. Counterfeit meds are very common in the UK blackmarket and can have anything from zero upwards of the active ingredient in them..

Oxide's right about the diazepam but it still makes me nervous people taking heroic doses of tramadol plus a benzo - seizure threshold varies from person to person, and changes depending what other drugs you are ingesting - yes it will protect you but personally I wouldn't rely on it. No "seizure-type feelings" is no protection really - by the time you got any warning it would be the aura of the seizure and it would be too late.

Careful mixing your opioids and benzos too..

I'd also be worried that if my tramadol was counterfeit, perhaps my diazepam was too, and one day Ii'd take some talc-pills with 1500mg tramadol and seize.. it really is a complex and potentially dangerous drug, tramadol, and I couldn't advise anyone to take more than 400mg/day no matter what the circumstances..

This thread is borderline haha, we don't do generic vs brand threads, or substance IDs, or regional threads, but it's not quite any of those, and I think the point about seizure risk is an important one

No I never want take H, not intrested on nodding or any very strong effects, just like the social aspect of tramadol.
As for valium, it has always have worked 10mg blue ones, no fake on these, I have plenty of experience and tolerance with benzos, so I know what im doing. Also if I take valium prior to 30min tramadol I can feel if the vaium is legit or not anyway.

Well after little break I try to get authentic tramadols and try 400mg if that works same way as 1500mg of generigs work.

As what I've readed only very high tolerance long time tramadol addicts need doses 1g+ to get any effects, for me 200mg should work very great...

 

[effie]

Tramadol is a funny drug. Some people get nothing from it, others a lot. I don't get much, but I really do from ODT..

Glad to hear it about the H haha :D

 

[Ne0]

Just wanted to Chime in because I regularly receive tramadol from Thailand here in the States.. it's the Gruenthal tramal in the green and yellow capsule, and it is just as strong as any American equivalent brand name Tramadol that I have ever gotten here in America.. I order this tramadol quite regularly and usually with a small supply of Valium to go along with it, comes right through customs everytime no problem and the strength is exactly the same that I would expect from the American counterpart.. Thailand does have good tramadol

Ok today I got 10x100mg tramal retard and 10x50mg IR tramal from Gruenthal from westernish looking pharmacy. And 10x10mg valium made in pakistan from some shady pharmacy, as most decent pharmacys dont sell as its controlled. All works very great atm, no hangover anymore that I got yesterday. I think this on I only get Gruenthal tramadols as they seem to be legit. But best price I got was Tramalgesic only *snip* bath for 10x50mg tramdol from wersternish looking pharmacy, so its very cheap and 1000% legit tramadol, but I havent fond them in *snip* but only in *snip*

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

Please refrain from brand name vs. generic discussion, as it isn't harm reduction and borders on sourcing...

 

[bpayne]

well the first one was called "retard" what did u expect? lol sorry couldn't resist

 

[Ne0]

Please refrain from brand name vs. generic discussion, as it isn't harm reduction and borders on sourcing...

Well I think its harm reduction discussion as maybe people take more than needed dangerously much if they happen o take thailan tramadols, as these brands seem to have differences on active tramadol.

well the first one was called "retard" what did u expect? lol sorry couldn't resist

You are very funny guy I think you are the one who giggle every time when you heard someone saying cockfighting. I always have found retard on med names pretty funny actually, why not use just depot as name. Or are these pillls really retarded., lol

These tramal retards are pretty good, works very long, taking them with few ir tramalsi pretty decent social buzz. You can also get 30mg codeine/500mg paracetamol OTC in Thailand. I find it funny that Valium is actually controlled drug that need perspection but tramadol is OTC so its ok to buy it every day.

I recommend btw to try ladyboys if you happen to be in Thailand they give you pretty good rimjob.

 

[effie]

Okay, I think this thread has run it's course. It is flying a bit too close to sourcing and brand vs generic discussion, neither of which is allowed in BDD (especially sourcing ofc..) - I take your point about the HR value but all we can do is speculate about exactly how much tramadol is in Thai pills.. plus we're going a tad off topic now

Closed, pm me with any queries