What aspects of the atheist religion do you like/dislike?

[gaktattack]

I have been reading camus. I really enjoy absurdism. I dont think atheism is trendy in a world where over 50% of americans DONT BELIEVE IN SCIENCE. EG evolution. I am in the most atheist intolerant part of the country, a poll showed the midwest was more accepting of muslims than atheists, because atleast they are a slave to a master.

Negatives, no moral imperative according to the zealots.
Having to be rational and never being able to argue because of beliefs. Its one thing to understand that some people like mustard and some do not, but religion is another beast all together. Look at the "I Dont hate fags, christ does" idiots. Are the tards that claim our founding fathers were religious when they infact were very much not. If you havent seen bill mahers religulous I suggest you do, its scary.
I have pity for the truly good people that are sucked into it, and think or do bad things because of it. More people have been tortured and killed in the name of religion than any other social cause.

Positives: I no longer think god burns a baby seal every time I masturbate... this is a huge weight lifted of my shoulders. I realize that all the social and political mores and codes of conduct are entirely made up. There is something deeply liberating and scary when you realize you could kill, and the only repercussions are societally imposed. There is no lightening bolt to strike you down.

Have you guys seen I heart huckabees? Its FANTASTIC. The protagonist and antagonist who are fighting are shown that they are energies that have been recycled through time in all capacities, it shows the one breastfeeding the other and he says "I give and I give, and he takes and he takes".

To me a religious moment, or spiritual, is akin to the amazement and bewilderment we feel when we see something we cant explain or comprehend. You replace your bones calcium in about 7 years, your skin constantly, you are not made of the same stuff as you were when you were born, this is amazing too me. Or that 2 diploid cells in your body contain the orignal DNA from your parents... and they have the same conservation.

Anyhow, Hi guys.

 

[ninjadanslarbretabar]

i think its funny to call atheist a religion cuz thats part of what they are trying to go against
for some it is a religion
but for most its just a way of thinking and it doesnt involve any practice or ritual
it aint a religion (...yet ; ) )

problem is a lot of atheist dont know much about religion because they are not interested in them cuz lots of bullshit has being shove down their throat and they try to get free from that and they try to get the world free from that cuz it didnt work for them

but then if you dont know much about religions and you end up saying that some religion arent religion cuz it doesnt fit your definition of what is a religion 8) well then you are doing it wrong
you dont need a god or deity or some magical unicorn to have a set of guidance that is share and expressed via practice and communion
they end up confusing theism with religion
so they think that atheism goes against religion
they miss the point between theism and deism
so theyll say that god is shit cuz religion is shit
but deism doesnt need religion or anything supernatural
you can believe in god and be science friendly, like Einstein
buts thats not what most atheist cared to hear about cuz they are angry at religion or i should say stupidity and they attribute stupidity (and many other things) to religion
but religion doesnt need stupidity to exist
and stupidity doesnt need religion to exist

you are suppose to pull out the atheist card when you go against deism if you care for a interesting philosophical discussion
if you use atheism against religion you are just stirring shit up cuz you are angry at the world and it doesnt do any good cuz you are attacking the wrong end

anyway

It's why humans disagree so much - we don't transmit ideas as well as we wish we could. The fact that we can communicate at all is miraculous!

+1

sorry if this is a lame tangeant from topic question, but sidenote: does anyone else think the world would be infinitely better AND more religious if all children were raised without religion, but encouraged to discover their own beliefs? sorry if that's like a "do you want me to stab you in the face" kind of question

i was thinking about that yesterday, but its like saying let them kid decide what language they want to speak, what they want to be called, what they want to learn about...
basically let them choose what kind of upbringing they want, what kind of influence, what kind of food, music, movie...
cuz its all part of the culture they are born into
why would you not share with your kids who you are, what you like, what you believe in...
then as adult they be whatever thell choose to be
theyll choose whatever they want and theyll share it with their kids cuz thats who they are

the whole notion of discarding 1 part of culture, in this case religion, makes no sense
its part of a whole, and it all is a agenda, the whole cultural language is a bias

Religion is not based on observations of the surrounding world but rather is learnt from books written by people. There is no reason to believe anything written in a religious text, not because I think it's wrong, or I "believe" that there is no god, but rather there is no evidence to suggest that it is correct.

how about religion based on observations of the surrounding world
and why would you believe whats written in a science book if you havent done the experiments, the calculations..yourself
cuz you believe in the scientific method and its integrity ?
cuz we got cars and planes and computers so it must work right

i've seen it too, but i still say he doesn't exist

what if thats what god is, everything (omnipotence) including non-existence
so it defies (linear) logic

Again, what? I find a book that was written two thousand years ago by people far less intelligent or loving than myself,

why is it that science is all about the latest discovery while religion is always about some very very old book, the older the better, it gives it some legitimacy

ever thought about it ?
maybe they are not the same thing and are not dealing with the same dimension of life
maybe one came out at a time where humans started experiencing things that differentiated us to our older self, a more animalistic state where we didnt have consciousness to the extent of our new self
maybe back then we were a lot closer to the basics of being one with the universe (god) but then the whole metaphor of the "garden of eden" that we fell off out of it and became conscious and its being a curse and a blessing ever since
consciousness is a bitch
but we use to be unified with the all encompassing unconsciousness (god)
and those old books are closer to that source
it aint science, it doesnt deal with the same reality (tho both are tied together, they are opposite and complimentary (like the opposite sex))

see in this christian tale its about a god creating humans
its how those primitive men found a way to explain their creation
from unconscious animal to conscious human
"god chosen people" i mean i guess there was a time when not all human where self conscious
so you wonder what is this ? where did it came from ? so you make a tale about your understanding of what happen and pass it down to your people to enlighten then too, you create culture, history, art... its all related to the creation of consciousness
so obviously youll cherish that all loving god that gave birth to it all

so then you might wonder how that is still relevant today to some people and how they take the tale seriously now that we have super science to explain so much more
but then science tells that tale from a head perspective and religion has lived in our hear for thousands of years, its a huge cultural heritage filled with stories and poetry and art and philosophies and guidance and good words and a lot of people still connect to it all to the point of blowing themselves up to protect it
which makes no sense unless you feel a connection to it
its like the placebo effect, it doesnt work for some cuz the pill is empty but it works for some
and it works really really really well for some
and it doesnt matter if its there or not inside the pill or if there is a god or not (or whatever else)
cuz the result, the experience is real
and that is real, that is the reality people lives in
some people are really really affected by that placebo effect

and even if you are not affected by the placebo effect there is still beauty to be found inside our human history
from a head point of view with science our with our heart through religions

And the reason why there are so many interpretations of religion, is because it is wrong. If it was right, you would only need one version, seeing as how God is omnipotent and perfect. Religion wouldn't be subjected to the same standards as everything else if it was the true word of God.

there is so many interpretation maybe cuz it is of suggestive mater and everyone is right ? as long as it works for them
but then the ego gets caught up in it so some will say that red is the best color cuz its their favorite and theyll go at war with those who say that blue is the all mighty color of heaven...
but thats the ego

everyone is right, everyone is wrong
it all depends on the angle you take it from
but youll take it from your own perspective (thats the ego)
until you can find yourself in others, and then everyone is right from their own point of view, thats why they believe in what they believe in

Also, the reason why we have religion in the first place (and certainly why it is still around today in our modern and scientific society) is because people are ignorant, lazy, and scared, and don't want to admit the truth. People will go to extraordinary lengths to deny things that (even though they are true) would make them unhappy. Don't like the idea of your dead 5 year old child being gone forever? Just invent a magical, happy place where everything is perfect and where he/she will live forever and where you will join him/her soon.

so its wrong to believe in something that makes people feel better ?
your point is that yes if it includes doing arms to other
but then that goes back to the ego

you can use a scalpel to heal you can use it to kill
is the scalpel good or bad ?
its all about what people do with religion or whatever else they have
thats the ego
alcohol doesnt make people violent, guns dont kill people
its people who are violent in the first place that are gonna be violent while drunk, and you need to have it in you to kill someone, it aint in the gun
just like it aint in the religion
people will use religion for good or bad
good people will do good, bad people will do bad
thats the ego

and religion can make your ego more flexible and it can also make it less flexible
some mystical experience makes some people more humble and some more self absorb
what it does is playing with your ego and your sense of self
so you can learn to let go or you can learn to fight against
if you see heaven then youll learn to let go
if you see hell youll fight against
and youll see heaven if you are at peace
and youll see hell if you are at war
thats in your every day life, you dont need to die to go there

but then those who get more humble...do they care to tell others how its done or is it the self absorb ones who get to be the high priest
so then what kind of church do we get
what kind of government do we get
its the people who are not in control of themself who needs to control others, cuz they cant let go, cuz they are scared, cuz hell is right there within themself, and the worse they do it the more caught up into it they become, and the less they can let go, vicious circle...
and those viscous circles have being evolving for thousand of years and its all around
so you can find immense amount of bullshit in religion, its in there and its scary
but the good stuff is still there too, and its usually more quiet, but it gave birth to the bad stuff and the bad stuff gives birth to the good, good and bad are side of the same coin, opposites are complimentary

Atheism really irritates me, because it's generally completely negative. Almost every self-proclaimed "atheist" I have ever heard or seen, has been focused entirely on shooting down, undermining, and ridiculing other belief systems. Which, IMO, is utterly pointless! You don't change people's beliefs by telling them how stupid they are.

Any real spirituality or worldview should be an affirmation, not an attack.

indeed

 

[schwiftee]

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[gaktattack]

In our political environment it is being used as a tool of mass manipulation. And kudos to you sir for taking the time to reply to so many comments. You are more motivated than myself.

All things as you say have the capacity for good or evil, as they are tools. Religion and fusion are good examples.

Id love to be a humanist, but my brothers life means more to me than yours. These familial bonds are stronger than those of brotherhood.

My code of conduct is one of least harm to others. I used to argue religion till I was blue in the face and realized it was only hurting the people who were innocent enough. Its not like they asked their parents to raise them Mormon or whatever. They had as much say in their religion as I did being born a caucasion american.

 

[ninjadanslarbretabar]

Okay, first off I am not anti-Christian. I am anti-Christianity. There is a difference. I hate the ideas, not the people. That said, I am also anti-Islam, anti-Jewish, anti-Mormon, anti-Buddhist, and basically anti anything that relies on faith and not fact.

so what do you do when you want to go see a movie, you cant know for a fact if you are gonna like it even if you read the review
same thing with everything you do
you might do this or that, turn right or left, and you cant have facts about it all to guide your action
should you go out with this girl ? or go out with friends ? or call your mom ?
what guides your action ?
50% chances of rain, thats the fact, but then what do you do about the fact, do you have faith that its gonna be sunny so you go camping anyway ?
you are always confronted with the situation where its 50-50
where you know the facts and now its time to act upon them
your head can gather the fact but its still your heart that goes forward or not
you head is only there to help your heart in turning left or right based on gathered data accumulated in your memory base
once your head does its job your heart does the rest
and faith is about whats in front of you, while gathering data was done with what was behind you
but what is there in front of you, thats what faith is about, "having faith"
its always as much a mater of faith then is it about facts cuz you cant predict the future
you might die tomorrow, you might win the lottery...
how do you deal with that ?
lots of people are concern about death, cuz what death is influence what living is
and religion deals with that stuff
not by saying what we know like science but by speculating about what we dont know
or simply by finding way to deal with all the possibilities of what may be
they can define the world around us from a heart perspective
and there is no need for faith to go against facts unless you get caught up in dogmas, and there is no need for dogmas either to have faith
non the better actually, thats my beliefs
a faith free of dogma
i use to call myself a atheist, now i may be a adogmaist ; ) hehe
"the tao that can be told is not the eternal tao"

Islam is. I think we can all agree that Islam is the main religious problem we face today, because it is still stuck in the Dark Ages.

There is no proof, so therefore there is no logical reason to even contemplate whether it/they/he/she exists at all.

islam isnt stuck in the dark age, people are
and its mainly due to poverty and the lack of education
islam is islam but the way its practice has changed just like the way Christianity has changed but not to the same extent
so your problem is that some people havent had the privileged of evolving to your standard but you accuse isman as the reason why
why accuse religion more than culture, cuz they are intertwine


as for the proof there is no need of a proof if there is a experience, its proof in itself
see if i was raise somewhere where they speak french ill end up speaking french cuz thats what would work for me, doesnt mean that german would work for me and it can be hard to learn german but every language has some shared pattern to make them work
so a christian wont practice faith like a muslim or buddist cuz it aint the way he learn to make it work, to feel that connection
but every religion can be translated into one and another
and it could all make sense in scientific term
if you strip the bias from the cultural heritage and only keep the basic behind it that makes it work you would still need to practice it to feel it
you cant simply read about music and magically being able to play a instrument
you need practice

and if you practice it will make you act a certain way and youll turn left instead or right or youll go out instead of staying home or whatever youll do youll feel a connection to it all, youll get a sense of direction cuz youll feel a connection with what may be in front of you
youll actively practice your faith and that can feel really good
thats why people get caugh up in religious behavior, cuz it gives meaning to the world around us
not with your head but with your heart, its a felt connection
you walk forward in life with both your legs
facts and faith
one deals with the past to get you a better present
one deals with the future, which is a unknown, to get you a better present
so as you walk forward one leg is on the ground while the other is in the air still unknown as to where its gonna land

facts and faith are opposites and complimentary

 

[ninjadanslarbretabar]

Also, I wish to present you wish a challenge.

Name me one good or moral act that a believer could do, but no nonbeliever could.
Now name me a wicked act that is done by a believer, but that no nonbeliever could.

Question 1 : a believer could teach about his belief. a non believer could not.
Question 2 : a believer could teach about his belief. a non believer could not.

see in both case its relative

Has anybody experienced God? Or the non-existence of God?

yes, both

I have been reading camus. I really enjoy absurdism. I dont think atheism is trendy in a world where over 50% of americans DONT BELIEVE IN SCIENCE. EG evolution. I am in the most atheist intolerant part of the country, a poll showed the midwest was more accepting of muslims than atheists, because atleast they are a slave to a master.

Negatives, no moral imperative according to the zealots.
Having to be rational and never being able to argue because of beliefs. Its one thing to understand that some people like mustard and some do not, but religion is another beast all together. Look at the "I Dont hate fags, christ does" idiots.

yeah that makes me think that people dont have a problem with religion or god
people have a problem with people
simply cuz they cant find a way to be at peace with people of a different belief system
you need to deal with a world where not everyone is gonna be your friend
and you end up blaming religion cuz it seems to be a common denominator of why they suck or why the world suck

i use to call myself a atheist but now that i dont have a problem with religion i dont have a problem with religious people
but people are still people
blaming heavy metal or rap or horror movie or dressing in black or drugs or guns or whatever you find that seems to be the problem never is the problem
its always about us, we the people...
that why we have those things, those things are just a side effect of the problem, not the cause

even if you have religion saying to kill people
or let say the kkk or some hate group
is the kkk the problem or is it the people in the kkk
even if you are born into it and theyll kill you if you leave its still people being people and thats why hate groups came to be

why would there be a resurgence in hate groups from times to times, it aint because the people in those groups starts having more babies
its cause there is a social context where people grow dissatisfied of something and they want to express their anger out

 

[gaktattack]

I had read once in a sociological musing that social outcasts if they dont exist are created naturally by a society to increase solidarity, union, and obedience to the ruling class based on the solidarity. We want to belong to something, even if it turns out to be a hate group because no one else will have us. Think of the investment it takes to be an existentialist or other well constructed philosophy, most people wont fit in with a group like that as it is intensive, now to say you hate black people is a lot easier concept to grasp for the weak minded.

We fear what we dont understand, and sometimes thats good. It protects us, I fear going into impoverished high crime areas because THERE IS HIGH CRIME. I dont have to bend over backwards to empathize with these social misfits, to survive all I need to do is recognize the danger. Each idealogoly is fighting for survival, and some of them are inherently worse than others. Like Flat earthers, how much evidence do those tards need?

 

[Lazyscience]

some good things about atheism i can think of are:

1 seeing the world for what it really is gives you a greater appreciation for the natural world.
2 not being obliged to believe in an afterlife means you can make the most out of the one life you have and live it to the full.
3 being taken more seriously as an intellectual.
4 being a good person because it makes you and other people happy and not because you fear gods wrath.

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

This whole thread is incoherent. The subject matter, I mean specifically, to say nothing of the posts following its inception.

Agreed. Despite Ninja's recent efforts at saving it, I have to say this is one of the worst atheism threads I've seen, and I've seen a lot of them come and go.

 

[Droppersneck]

the American Atheists institution is an embarrassment to atheism

Yes

 

[Droppersneck]

Agreed. Despite Ninja's recent efforts at saving it, I have to say this is one of the worst atheism threads I've seen, and I've seen a lot of them come and go.

I thought it was good.

 

[!!4iV4HF9R34g]

>What aspects of the aItheist religion do you like/ dislike?
> aetheist religion

Lol, what?

 

[IamMe90]

I thought it was good.

Well, you made it, so of course you do, but the majority of the thread is pretty awful

 

[freddy47]

IMO the title alone was enough to screw this thread.

 

[malakaix]

I thought the title was the best part

 

[Droppersneck]

I the other thing I don't like about atheism is how tempting it is for people to arrive at atheism and then think that's the end of the discussion of spirituality or metaphysical or anything else belief-wise. That's incredibly lame, lamer than the bible IMO.

Exactly we are all energy and made of this earth how crazy is it to think we cant become another form of it whether it be the wind or and eagle. I know lonewolf will feel me on this one. Coffeedrinker you still post here?

 

[-=SS=-]

Atheism rooted in scientific materialism/rationalism is a comfort blanket for those who dare not to question their own foundations.

 

[saetia95]

So any belief system is a religion? So if I believe in the Boston Red Socks that is a religion? Or if I believe that marijuana should be legal, that is a religion?

 

[Foreigner]

So any belief system is a religion? So if I believe in the Boston Red Socks that is a religion? Or if I believe that marijuana should be legal, that is a religion?

Any belief system that has proscribed doctrines, practices, and ideologies that unify multiple followers could be called religious in its proportions, or in the least dogmatic.

I have seen many intelligent arguments put forth for why big, nationalized and institutionalized sports are dogmatic and indoctrinating.

 

[ebola?]

Droppersneck apparently ran out of ideas and bumped his own troll-thread from years ago.