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Sativa psychosis and effective counter-measures

People with psychosis may have one or more of the following: hallucinations, delusions, catatonia, or a thought disorder, as described below.
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Psychosis may involve delusional beliefs, some of which are paranoid in nature. Karl Jaspers has classified psychotic delusions into primary and secondary types.
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We have countless examples of paranoid delusions as a result of smoking on this very board (here, 367 pages' worth of anecdotes - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/560962-MEGA-Anxiety-Paranoia). Anything that jacks up dopamine levels will have this effect. People being unable to communicate because they're too blazed is indicative of transient schizoid and anxiety-spectrum symptoms. Maybe this also needs to be clarified but I'm referring to the short term transient effects of sativas here, not long term permanent psychosis. The evidence suggests that only people with underlying disorders are at risk of long term side effects, for everyone else this is merely a temporary issue, which can be resolved rapidly with an appropriate strategy. I don't see these strategies being discussed anywhere so I'm trying to stimulate some discussion on the subject. All of the advice is to take a break or pop a xanax. That's weak sauce, in my occasionally humble opinion.

It seems that it needs to be restated that there is empirical evidence that THC is a psychosis inducing compound. And what do you know, most of the synthetic cannabinoids seem to do the same thing. Someone mentioned that the plant contains dozens of other compounds which will affect the end result. I agree with this in theory. Yet the current understanding is that the main counter-balance to THC is Cannabidiol. Breed that out of a strain, jack the THC levels up into the stratosphere and it is rational to assume that the resulting product has a higher probability of inducing psychosis, since the breaks are missing from the car.

I get the feeling that some of you are taking this as an attack on this drug. That is not my intention. There is a lot to be gained from cannabis when used correctly. I will continue to do so probably until the day I die, I'm just trying to figure out the best ways to do so. A major aspect of Doing It Right is having an understanding of the underlying mechanisms. How can you make good use of something you don't understand? Try programming a computer without understanding data structures and you'll create an unmaintainable mess. Try getting high on a substance without understanding what it's doing and you'll have side effects which you attribute to the wrong thing and don't know how to treat properly.

Perhaps it needs to be pointed out that we all have different supplies, which could account for our different experiences. Some of the strains sold here in the UK, called skunk, contain almost no CBD, and huge levels of THC, it may well be different where you are. Maybe you're getting that good old weed which is balanced and just makes you feel good. Maybe you're smoking those sweet, sedating indicas. I see people on the streets where I live with shifty eyes because they're so bloody paranoid after smoking skunk and not knowing how to bring themselves back down. THAT is the issue that I'm trying to address. It's cool to go exploring, weird altered states are fun, just make sure you know how to get back.

@Ecstuhcy

Come on man, it's a drug like any other. You can take too much and experience a shitty state. Google around and you'll see accounts like this - http://www.steadyhealth.com/Marijuana___permanent_anxiety__t82453.html - http://forum.grasscity.com/incredib...-overdose-questions-about-body-chemistry.html

More references:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_effects_of_cannabis#Mental_health
http://www.primarypsychiatry.com/aspx/articledetail.aspx?articleid=2038
http://patients4medicalmarijuana.wo...of-balance-that-makes-skunk-cannabis-do-harm/
http://www.nationaldrugstrategy.gov...ng.nsf/Content/mono68-toc~mono68-4~mono68-4-1
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c04_1308882169
 
ProducedRaw said:
We have countless examples of paranoid delusions as a result of smoking on this very board (here, 367 pages' worth of anecdotes - http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/560962-MEGA-Anxiety-Paranoia). Anything that jacks up dopamine levels will have this effect. People being unable to communicate because they're too blazed is indicative of transient schizoid and anxiety-spectrum symptoms. Maybe this also needs to be clarified but I'm referring to the short term transient effects of sativas here, not long term permanent psychosis. The evidence suggests that only people with underlying disorders are at risk of long term side effects, for everyone else this is merely a temporary issue, which can be resolved rapidly with an appropriate strategy. I don't see these strategies being discussed anywhere so I'm trying to stimulate some discussion on the subject. All of the advice is to take a break or pop a xanax. That's weak sauce, in my occasionally humble opinion.

It seems that it needs to be restated that there is empirical evidence that THC is a psychosis inducing compound. And what do you know, most of the synthetic cannabinoids seem to do the same thing. Someone mentioned that the plant contains dozens of other compounds which will affect the end result. I agree with this in theory. Yet the current understanding is that the main counter-balance to THC is Cannabidiol. Breed that out of a strain, jack the THC levels up into the stratosphere and it is rational to assume that the resulting product has a higher probability of inducing psychosis, since the breaks are missing from the car.

I get the feeling that some of you are taking this as an attack on this drug. That is not my intention. There is a lot to be gained from cannabis when used correctly. I will continue to do so probably until the day I die, I'm just trying to figure out the best ways to do so. A major aspect of Doing It Right is having an understanding of the underlying mechanisms. How can you make good use of something you don't understand? Try programming a computer without understanding data structures and you'll create an unmaintainable mess. Try getting high on a substance without understanding what it's doing and you'll have side effects which you attribute to the wrong thing and don't know how to treat properly.

Perhaps it needs to be pointed out that we all have different supplies, which could account for our different experiences. Some of the strains sold here in the UK, called skunk, contain almost no CBD, and huge levels of THC, it may well be different where you are. Maybe you're getting that good old weed which is balanced and just makes you feel good. Maybe you're smoking those sweet, sedating indicas. I see people on the streets where I live with shifty eyes because they're so bloody paranoid after smoking skunk and not knowing how to bring themselves back down. THAT is the issue that I'm trying to address. It's cool to go exploring, weird altered states are fun, just make sure you know how to get back.

@Ecstuhcy

Come on man, it's a drug like any other. You can take too much and experience a shitty state. Google around and you'll see accounts like this - http://www.steadyhealth.com/Marijuana___permanent_anxiety__t82453.html - http://forum.grasscity.com/incredib...-overdose-questions-about-body-chemistry.html

More references:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-term_effects_of_cannabis#Mental_health
http://www.primarypsychiatry.com/aspx/articledetail.aspx?articleid=2038
http://patients4medicalmarijuana.wo...of-balance-that-makes-skunk-cannabis-do-harm/
http://www.nationaldrugstrategy.gov...ng.nsf/Content/mono68-toc~mono68-4~mono68-4-1
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c04_1308882169
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alright dude, whatever go on ranting about useless and pathetic cases of how weed is harmful blahblahblah. your argument is basically saying that people get paranoid sometimes from smoking weed, lol, happens to a lot of inexperienced people. not a big deal. paranoia is easily overcome to experienced users, and isn't even that serious for inexperienced users.


i have smoked in heavy excess, like over an eighth, and have never experienced psychosis like symptoms. its not a hardcore drug. if you don't like weed don't smoke it. but don't give people the wrong idea.
 
cannabis may induce anxiety/paranoia/delusions but for the vast majority of people (think of how many people use and have used cannabis) it is only temporary and usually the result of smoking too much.

pure THC cannot be compared; it causes anxiety/paranoia but the other cannabinoids seem to counteract this. I get that sativas have higher thc levels but if they make you anxious/paranoid then don't smoke them. It doesn't mean they are damaging to everyone else though, they can certainly alleviate depression and are great for recreation/energy/motivation.

If you smoke too much and get paranoid it doesn't mean you have psychosis.
 
Idk how you're only getting access to sativas and not indicas .

Tbh im kinda jealous =P all we seem to get over here are indicas
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is it possible for you to grow some ?
Sativas clearly aren't you're thang
 
Bomboclat said:
Id try to combat your theory, but I think you as a person just shot my argument down.

If you smoked too much:

Eat something
Fap
Take a nap

I wouldn't necessarily call is "psychosis" though....but I mean...ahem....
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^Do This^

You could always just drink a beer or two, take a nice hot relaxing shower or bath, put on some relaxing music or a movie that you love, and just ride it out and learn to enjoy it for the time being.

I can't sleep when I'm high so I just do what I wrote when I've smoked too much in the past.
 
Just to follow through on the discussion of this simply being denial - I tried to abstain and ended up not being able to do it. I've experienced moderate cravings which last 3-5 days after smoking these strong sativa varieties. I've also had problems with interpersonal relationships due to paranoia and anger as well as a lack of appetite and insomnia. Don't get me wrong, in the grand scheme of things I'm sure that heroin withdrawal makes this look like a cakewalk but I've had my fair share of experiences and, like the Wu-Tang Clan, this ain't nothin' to fuck with.

I chalk this up to the previously mentioned cause, namely that of THC being a psychosis and anxiety-inducing compound (also see: synthetic cannabinoids, which seem to do the same thing, albeit at a faster pace) which, without a counter-balance of sufficient levels of Cannabidiol (and I'm sure other compounds too), is simply bad news. In conclusion, high grade, blow your mind, get you high as fuck strains might feel fun but they have far too many side effects. I'm avoiding them altogether now and sticking to my sanity promoting indica's. Someone once mentioned on this forum, on the subject of sativa vs indica that, and I paraphrase, if you get your body high then your mind will follow; I fully endorse this point of view now. I have a newfound respect for cannabis, especially the new super-potent breeds, and hope that this thread may be of value to people going through the same thing - just switch to something more downbeat! Hope is not lost and you can still smoke, just smoke the right stuff and you'll feel happy, healthy and good. Peace and love you bunch of stinking hippies.
 
Dude. Indicas don't promote your sanity. Sounds to me like you are in denial because you freak out when you stop smoking, so you are allowing yourself to smoke weaker types of weed, which really doesn't make any difference in my opinion unless you have a huge tolerance. You're just getting your fix without getting all that high basically. The strong "chron" is for the burnouts who feel no effects unless there is a massive thc overload involved, I was once this way and I'm not out yet. Cannabinoids are cannabinoids are addictive and chock full of horrible side effects when smoked all day.

If I can quit, anyone can. I had those same withdrawal effects, possibly even worse, because I would actually puke up any food I tried to eat for the first few days. I'm 2 weeks off it right now and I feel absolutely tremendously all-around 1000% better, but I am having random mad cravings and at this point it's even tougher to keep off it than when I was withdrawing. I am literally doing 10 times more with my time, I have regained my interpersonal skills which weed A-bombed, I could write an essay on how much better I'm feeling. I will never give in to these cravings.

This stuff does no good for anyone healthy and it's a bad industry full of bad people profiting off the addictions of others.

Another side of me doesn't agree with what I am writing because I love weed and the reason I can't smoke it is because the passive outlook with a total lack of male ego dominance traits it induces in me simply gets me nowhere in this fucked up society where I have to battle with other males to have sex with girls and get jobs. I am too nice and humble for this world. Weed is the only friend I have.
 
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You being baked and freaking out because your heart is beating too fast isnt psychosis, that's you not understanding that you're not in any physical danger. Educate yourself.
 
freehugs said:
You being baked and freaking out because your heart is beating too fast isnt psychosis, that's you not understanding that you're not in any physical danger. Educate yourself.
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Start worrying about psychosis when you start to hear voices and begin to believe in paranoid delusions, if you are sane enough to notice these symptoms that is.
 
Start worrying about psychosis when you start to hear voices and begin to believe in paranoid delusions, if you are sane enough to notice these symptoms that is.
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I WAS experiencing paranoid delusions. Enough to fuck with my personal relationships and work. Now I've been smoking an indica variety for a couple of weeks and these are completely resolved. I don't feel compulsions to smoke, I'm no longer paranoid, I can eat and sleep just fine when I'm not high. It's funny how my experience and scientific research confirms what I'm saying yet many of you are responding with typical stoner comments like "It's all in your head". Obviously it's all in my head you morons, where do you think neurotransmitters make their mark on consciousness? The question is why and given that my model is capable of predicting events and is getting me out of this mess, I think that there is value in what I'm saying. If I didn't analyze this then I would still be blaming the wrong things and still stuck in the same situation.
 
I have had psychotic symptoms for years. Before i ever did drugs. I found that decent mid (good as hell in the south nice and fresh from the border!) are the way to go cuz of the diff. chemical make up.CBD CBN, and others we prob. dont know about. Also THC thats a good one theres a decent amount but not too much. anyway i also always eat the seeds (there arent any in the bag but there are some in the buds).

Back on topic mids and eating seeds have reduced my symptoms. If I don't smoke i go crazy. but i'm still a little off...but a lot better. Damn this is some strong coffee I wasn;t planning on posting this much with my injured finger. Anyway thats just me.
 
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I have seen someone loss their mind for a few hours on weed. Some people can have full blown psychosis because of weed. Since weed produces strong mental effects it's impossible to say no one will go "insane" because of it. This isn't to say continued use will lead to it but if someone isn't in the right state it can make psychotic symptoms arise, much like LSD.
 
Sativa Derealization

Hey guys so I have a question about smoking sativa vs indica in terms of derealization. When I was a new smoker, I got really fucked up and felt weird and out of it for about a week. I didnt smoke much back then, but know I smoke every night. I have been smoking indica shit for a little while now, and ive run out. Ive got an opportunity to cop some blue dream and head band which both sound fucking great. However, Ive read that sativa (blue dream/headband are sativa) have much more THC than CBD in relation to indica, which has less THC and more CBD. Ive also read that higher levels of THC without the CBD can cause de realization in some people. So this is where my question comes in, do you think i should get this dank ass weed, even though it is sativa? should i be worried that i will fall into a state of de realization once again? Remember ill be smoking this shit daily so i really would like some insight on the matter. Perhaps if anyone who has had a similar experience could comment on this. Thanks
 
I have experienced de-realization, honestly, from all strains.

It can happen from time to time with strong buds, and I think it has more to do with mindset / environmental factors.

Give them a try, and if you feel de-realized, either take a brake or smoke your indica more.

Peace
 
This thread may be helpful to you http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/606663-Sativa-psychosis-and-effective-counter-measures

try looking around the board first before posting a thread.

That being said, the weed is probably just too strong for your tolerance. You either need to suck it up and smoke a ton till you build up an "immunity", or cut back a lot and only take a few puffs till your high, then stop.


Indica is better in this regard, as it has more of the relaxing CBDs and can be a lot mellow-er on the mind. Headband is actually an indica dominant strain, so I would get that, but they are both hybrids.
 
sativa strains will definitely mess more with your head than indica strains. also in regard to memory. there is a study from 2010 that shows that strains with high thc and low cannabidiol have a negative effect on short term memory. if i was still smoking, id make it my priority to stay away from sativa strains, they seem to be horrible for your mental health. however, i always preferred the high i got from sativas to the mellowness of indicas. i guess its a good thing i quit.

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/101001/full/news.2010.508.html
 
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