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qwe said:
this post says more about you than freud, man.
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*Looks across the room at the mutilated corpse of father on the floor and removes mouth from mother's breast*

I have no idea what you're talking about, man. :D
 
"And if Nanna does not help you in this matter, go to Eridug. In Eridug, when you have entered the house of Enki, lament before Enki: "Father Enki, don't let anyone kill your daughter in the underworld. Don't let your precious metal be alloyed there with the dirt of the underworld. Don't let your precious lapis lazuli be split there with the mason's stone. Don't let your boxwood be chopped up there with the carpenter's wood. Don't let young lady Inana be killed in the underworld."

what does this mean to me??


see how they run everything else into the ground with her.
 
^AHAHAHA lol thats a good one.

But in a world with no decisions wouldn't everything be in a perfect state of being?
 
Free will is only imperfection when you look at it from some Christian perspective. The only reason ya'll are attributing free will to imperfection is because of that Adam and Eve bullshit in the Bible.

Free will has nothing to do with the words "perfection" or other romantic words like that. Free will only has to do with an agents ability to have control over their decisions.

Whats your definition of God?
 
CrackAndScrabble said:
Free will is only imperfection when you look at it from some Christian perspective. The only reason ya'll are attributing free will to imperfection is because of that Adam and Eve bullshit in the Bible.
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i disagree. many other religions have similar myths about man falling into "sin" like states.

Free will has nothing to do with the words "perfection" or other romantic words like that. Free will only has to do with an agents ability to have control over their decisions.
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Some people would say that "free will" is just a romantic word as well... i.e. the people that believe that free will does not actually exist

Whats your definition of God?
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"God" is the name i give to both the force that created the universe and the force that ensures that the universe does not completely degrade into entropy. I assume that they are the same force, but i do not know that for a fact.
 
Believing in a deterministic universe doesn't mean you think "free will" is a romantic word, it means you think free will is a romantic notion. There is a difference between thinking of something as romantic and thinking of something as a romantic idea.

Your definition of "God" means that he most have free will. The agent (God) had a choice to create or not create the universe. Since an omnipotent agent made a choice he must have free will because an omnipotent being would have no constraints from choosing.

I'm not even going to attack the rest of your definition.
 
I read it like this..

Everything that is exactly now is all that can be, ever.
So it's perfect. And when you just listen to it, the music is lovely. (:
 
all you do is tell me i am wrong, and you provide no proof of what you're saying.

CrackAndScrabble said:
Believing in a deterministic universe doesn't mean you think "free will" is a romantic word, it means you think free will is a romantic notion. There is a difference between thinking of something as romantic and thinking of something as a romantic idea.
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you're arguing semantics

Your definition of "God" means that he most have free will. The agent (God) had a choice to create or not create the universe. Since an omnipotent agent made a choice he must have free will because an omnipotent being would have no constraints from choosing.
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i actually believe that god did not have a choice to create the universe. i do not see how the existence of a universe necessitates a god with free will. if you can explain your reasoning though, please do.

god wanted to be nothing, and whittled everything down to one little spark of nothing, and from that infinite nothingness came everything.

I'm not even going to attack the rest of your definition.
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lol
 
Yes, we are arguing about semantics. All arguments are over semantics...

There is a difference between thinking of something as X or something that has quality of X.

I never said the existence of a universe necessitates a god with free will. You said that when you said "the force that created the universe". This isn't an arguement about religion or god, but an argument of semantics. You give your definition of "god" lots of whims and desires. You also define it as the policeman of the universe. When your definition of "god" is so human its hard not to say that it shows signs of free will.

If you wanted a deterministic definition of god you should have said something like "the force from which the whole universe was modeled after and sprang from". When you say create it just implies an agent was behind the decision.
 
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