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[BananasAndOranges]

So last week it was time to get a refill of my ADD medication I have been on for so long now. My doctor has told me to come in the office or call and come in to get scripts. So I call and I was told the doctor is Very Busy. I said OK , and the guy said it may be about two hours and that hed call me. Two hours later no fucking call!! I go in the office annoyed and Completely uncomfortable. I gave the receptionist my empty pill bottle and basically silently said I am getting annoyed. I wait..and Wait as always and notice its not busy at ALL and the guy said the same thing on the phone to me that he did in person. So about twenty five minutes later he hands me a script. Its a weeks worth of pills and I am told to get my refill I need to come in and set up an appointment. I go in today and with little sleep I am very annoyed having to see this doctor. Doctor comes in and I told her I will NOT go inpatient to detox Anywhere and said I didnt mind tapering off benzodiazepines but I think something with a longer half life is needed. This doctor fucking blurts out Suboxone and I Immediately opened my eyes and asked to hear that again. I was then told Dr meant to say something else. Low and behold this doctor fucking TELLS me I need to get off my medication which was overprescribed and I always have extra pills. Without asking me what I thought of course she continued. I told the doctor I had been sick and was going to ask to be checked out and this doctor says yes its because of all the medication I am on which Really Pissed me off because my partner had given this to me and the doctor didnt even fucking give a shit. Then Again Without my permission I was told by the doctor that they were going to call a rehab and I am to atleast get an assessment. Completely fucked up already. Then the doctor Makes me set up an appointment. I did and at the end of he appointment I was asked if I needed my perscriptions or if I was ok. I said yes I would like the other 61 pills I was told I would get and This Fuck had the nerve to tell me AFTER I GO TO THIS ASSESSMENT!!This appointment is longer than a week away which means I will run out early and this really fucking pisses me off. The doctor then called themself a bitchy person and I totally just said No you have not been bitchy. What The Fuck?!?! Can someone please tell me what to do about this. I am not going to put up with this shit. I went in there for a reason and it was just to set up an appointment that I am NOT going to at all. This is completely out of line and I have also been again a five and a half to six year patient of benzodiazepines and even longer on add medication. I am very sick of this ahit and want to know how to handle this. It is Law here if A doctor lets you go they MUST give you All you perscriptions. Well during this session I was also told by the doctor that at some point I would basically be let go. I am really pissed off this is my damn body and I have been nothing but nice. . Can someone tell me what the Fuck this doctor thinks they are doing !?

 

[wooger]

Hey

Sorry to hear you are having such a hard time with your doctor, some times it can be a real struggle to get the real help you need. I don't mean to sound rude but it seems like this appointment could be just the thing you need, I notice a lot of doctor's don't seem to know very much about tapering people from benzos and are often unwilling to get involved. I noticed that AFTER I wet to one of those said appointments and the center called up my doctor they were much more willing to help in a reasonable way.

Just out of interest, why don't you want to go to the assessment? Maybe if you call the center and explain that you will run out of pills earl they may be able to push your appointment forward so you are seen before you run out of your meds. Either way, I read your other post about feeling so down about yourself and it's well known that long term use of benzos can worsen feelings of depression, you mention you are willing to taper so I think calling the center and explaining your situation may very way forward in feeling happier

Anyways, I wish you the best of luck and hope it all works out for you, I know it sucks but it might be the best way forward...

 

[Missykins]

Your physician has not anything "illegal" by insisting that you taper off benzos as per her directions while you are under her care. She is not obligated to continue to prescribe these medications to you beyond what she thinks is medically appropriate. She's not obligated to continue to keep you as a patient. Frankly, I'm surprised that she hasn't referred you to someone else, but she probably didn't know of a colleague who would be willing to take you on as a patient. A rehab assessment was the right thing for her to do. She could have been better organized, that's for sure, but they are the experts and she knows that.

Based upon what you have told us here and in previous posts, it sounds as if you and this doctor have reached an impasse. My advice to you is to tell her that you will be seeking the care of another physician and to ask for a thirty-day supply of your medications and a copy of your medical records. Be forewarned, however, you are going to have an extremely difficult time finding a doctor who is willing to do things your way.

 

[panic in paradise]

im confused but you seem to feel personally insulted atm - and not thinking clearly.


i fully understand your frustration, and so might the people at the Treatment Center, it has been my experience that many drug counselors do not agree with the methods of internal medicine health professionals, for many reasons.

i would seriously play along with this, and leave your emotions out of it. let the treatment center staff evaluate you and make a decision, you dont have to do anything they say, but as they are your employee, if they do not feel you are giving them a fair chance, they can quit. do not them any chance to say you are not cooperative while while being prescribed these drugs.


prove them wrong, go into the treatment centers appointment and exhibit how you are not an addict.

 

[Dave]

^ Excellent advice.

Prove them wrong, or they'll assume they're right.

 

[panic in paradise]

^ Excellent advice.

Prove them wrong, or they'll assume they're right.

exactly...

 

[BananasAndOranges]

Im Not addicted. I am dependent. I am being hostile because this is medication that helps me. I have been dependent on benzodiazepines for Counted, Five and More than a half years. I told her I would switch to Diazepam and that I would taper in my comfort zone but I will always need anxiety medication. My depressed thoughts stem from serious anxiety and ptsd. Have anyone of you been forced on your stomach by a man twice your age and sexually harassed with words or torment?! I dont see any of these responses helpful. I am also on Methadone and thats private. I am tapering that and Its one at a time in my book unless you want to be in hell. I am looking for a job currently as well and do not need any more stress in my life. Is this hard to understand? Whatever.

 

[panic in paradise]

Im Not addicted. I am dependent. I am being hostile because this is medication that helps me. I have been dependent on benzodiazepines for Counted, Five and More than a half years. I told her I would switch to Diazepam and that I would taper in my comfort zone but I will always need anxiety medication. My depressed thoughts stem from serious anxiety and ptsd. Have anyone of you been forced on your stomach by a man twice your age and sexually harassed with words or torment?! I dont see any of these responses helpful. I am also on Methadone and thats private. I am tapering that and Its one at a time in my book unless you want to be in hell. I am looking for a job currently as well and do not need any more stress in my life. Is this hard to understand? Whatever.

yes i have, and chased grabbed and beaten, another neighbor used to like to intimidate with his red haired doberman pincher dogs etc.



you will always need anxiety meds if you believe so, there is no other way around it.

while on benzos, it is difficult to tell if you have surpassed the original problem, and after so many months the risk of BZD syndrome takes affect. this can be worse then a situational disorder, because now there is a biological one occurring...


your life is yours, not his not anyones, and especially not these drugs

the only reason people commit the acts, is in attempt to recreate the situation that they went through, in an attempt to control it -- this is the cycle of abuse, and it stops with the acknowledgment of individuality, the facing of the others fears and weakness's, acceptance is freedom.


it makes me so mad, but those sick souls and their kids gave me the fire of life

 

[BananasAndOranges]

I know most people are scared to taper. Its not like that. I am on Xanax though and to be totally honest I asked to be on Diazepam from this doctor a Long time ago but thats for alcohol and apparently Oxazepam is too. I have some very Serious issues with this doctors morals and standards right now. I told them I wanted on Diazepam as its been easier for LONGER term use. Even though its not supposed to be long term I think thats MY call right now. I fucking cannot even hold my arm straight out without having it twitch and shake. Its bad rebound that I have Always and Only got from taking Xanax. I tried to explain this.to my doctor and typically got ignored as you can see. I am currently.tapering my Methadone and right now that is hard enough and this frustration makes my anxiety 10 times worse than it was before. The main Main reason why I object to this is my bottle says take 2mgs three times a day. I did Not ask to be prescribed that high of a dose and I have never had to take 6mgs yet. I know tolerance sucks when it comes to short acting benzos and have never went over 5mgs of Xanax even on my worse days and I usually wait until the afternoon before I even dose but anymore I feel my body is left feeling way to beat by rebound effects and I need to take it what seems like a few mornings then I will not take it in the morning some days specifically because I Let myself go.through panic attacks until it gets bad. My point is I have not been abusing medication or even taking doses like that and now it makes me look like a total fucking junkie and I do Not know what to do. Paradise thanks for your reply it made me feel better knowing you understand how I feel. I am really embarrassed to mention guys that have been in my life and hurt me because I feel like a girl after telling anyone and I dont mean to be sexist at all but I hate being looked at as a whiney typical fag and I am sure this sounds idiotic as shit my whole reasoning but telling a GP oh hey some 42. year old totally has been harassing me with texts or this guy has been making fun of my body or something is very personal to me. I know my anology? above is stupid but I dont know how else to put it. I am not depressed I am very anxious around anyone I meet now because of things that have happened in the past and I try not to let a GP into my world like I would a psychiatrist. Maybe I shouldnt feel embarrassed but my anxiety gets the best of me and makes me feel depressed later on but its only do to anxious thoughts. Again I dont think this will be readable to everyone but I am trying to explain this.situation the best I can its just pissing me off to.think about though.

 

[Missykins]

Im Not addicted. I am dependent.

Please explain to me the distinction.

Once again, I don't think that you and this doctor are going to see eye-to-eye on this subject. Cut this doctor loose, ask for your thirty-day supply, and find a new doctor. But she may have an entirely different story to offer. Based upon what you've told us, I don't think she's acted professionally. But when you say that it's "your call" to be placed on diazepam that's not the case. It's your doctor's call. It's any doctor that you might see--it's their call. Long-term administration of benzodiazepines to treat generalized anxiety disorder is no longer the accepted standard of care. Patients become addicted/dependent (whatever terminology you choose to use) to these medications. The advent of SSRIs and their related compounds made these medications as the sole form of treatment obsolete, and for good reason.

I take it that your doctor does not know that you are taking methadone with your high doses of benzodiazepines. I know of very few doctors that would prescribe these medications together and keep their medical license. I may be wrong.

I'm sure you don't like a single word I've just said. I'm not trying to give you a hard time or make you feel like you're a bad person. A long time ago, a doctor gave bad advice and now you're hooked. And hostile towards doctors. But that doctor who's going to throw diazepam at you for the rest of your life doesn't exist. Not anymore. Not if they want keep their medical license and truly help their patient.

Maybe you'll decide to stay with this doctor, get off the benzos entirely, and see what life is like without benzos and with something that's less of a blunt instrument combined with therapy. Stress will always be there. People in your life will die. Job loss will occur. People will disappoint you, and not accept you for your sexual orientation. Completely unavoidable. That's the nature of the beast. Sad, but true. And ask the Cambodians who survived the Khmer Rouge and the raped women of Bosnia about PTSD. I wonder how they cope.

 

[BananasAndOranges]

Please explain to me the distinction.

Once again, I don't think that you and this doctor are going to see eye-to-eye on this subject. Cut this doctor loose, ask for your thirty-day supply, and find a new doctor. But she may have an entirely different story to offer. Based upon what you've told us, I don't think she's acted professionally. But when you say that it's "your call" to be placed on diazepam that's not the case. It's your doctor's call. It's any doctor that you might see--it's their call. Long-term administration of benzodiazepines to treat generalized anxiety disorder is no longer the accepted standard of care. Patients become addicted/dependent (whatever terminology you choose to use) to these medications. The advent of SSRIs and their related compounds made these medications as the sole form of treatment obsolete, and for good reason.m

I take it that your doctor does not know that you are taking methadone with your high doses of benzodiazepines. I know of very few doctors that would prescribe these medications together and keep their medical license. I may be wrong.

I'm sure you don't like a single word I've just said. I'm not trying to give you a hard time or make you feel like you're a bad person. A long time ago, a doctor gave bad advice and now you're hooked. And hostile towards doctors. But that doctor who's going to throw diazepam at you for the rest of your life doesn't exist. Not anymore. Not if they want keep their medical license and truly help their patient.

Maybe you'll decide to stay with this doctor, get off the benzos entirely, and see what life is like without benzos and with something that's less of a blunt instrument combined with therapy. Stress will always be there. People in your life will die. Job loss will occur. People will disappoint you, and not accept you for your sexual orientation. Completely unavoidable. That's the nature of the beast. Sad, but true. And ask the Cambodians who survived the Khmer Rouge and the raped women of Bosnia about PTSD. I wonder how they cope.

No the doctor does not know about my MMT thats confidential I asked the doctor at my clinic and I was told interactions are very hard for dependent people to have. I have been on Prozac,Zoloft,Seroquel,Paxil,fucking many different ssris and THEY WERE THE MOST TOXIC SHIT to give someone like me. Please read more. I had a psychiatrist who I would have been getting Valium and Temazepam from for years as well as another doctor. What the fuck are you even talking about?When the fuck did I say I would find a doctor to get me Valium for the rest of my life. Im looking for a job I dont need any bs shit taper right now. I WILL find a doctor that gives a shit and I am going to give the doctor a chance but Have you not read a thing I have fucking said? Sorry to be hostile but who said SSRIS are good for anxiety? Those are equally as addicting. Thats dumb. You dont taper two medications at once and anyone who knows shit knows that especially with jobs.

SSRIS do not work for me. I am not going to get of Benzos until I am ready I dont care what you say its MY call readthe ashton manual and then post your opinion ok.

 

[BananasAndOranges]

I brought my partner in to my last apt hes 20 years older than me. He got dirty looks from the nurse and its made me very uncomfortable. Especially hearing from this doctor the phone worker is this doctors partner and helping and on return is getting sex out of it. Yes I have Several stories about what this doctor has said to me and how unprofessional that is regardless as if were eye to eye or not. I am going to ask doctor and stress my concerns. Do not reply unless its advice that ypu know I want to hear im sick of people posting unwanted responses at random. If ypu dont think I want to hear your comments keep to yourself. Open forum or not. You have old men use you for sex, abuse you , call you names, harrass you for sex or for no reason but to make you feel bad for 4 years. You ever seen someone get stabbed before? Have you ever had to pull a Razor on someone to save yourself?I can go on and on. Do not tell me I need to taper I did that years back. I know how being tapered feels. Its not terrible but this was before I had been hurt by several guys/partners in Very fucked up ways. Maybe I should have said I have done it before.

 

[batmanplaybaseball]

Ok, in answer to your question 'Is this legal...', I honestly have no idea. I don't even know what country you live in, and even if I knew the specific city I would still not have a clue. From responses above it seems like a doctor is generally required to give you a month long script of your previous medication if you say you are going to find another doctor. This is an option for you, but not really one I recommend.


What I don't understand is why you are so adverse to going to this assessment at the rehab center. It doesn't sound to me like your doctor is trying to send you to rehab, but rather that she is more comfortable with prescribing you addictive medications after you have been evaluated by people that she considers to be professionals on the topic. I would say, go to this assessment appointment and explain the doctor there about your anxiety and situation and how benzos have helped you in the past where other medications have failed. Explain that you are not abusing and that you understand that your dose might be a bit high. If you just put it out there like that then it seems likely the doctor will agree that this medication is proper for you, and then you can continue as normal with your current doctor.

Maybe I'm missing something but that is what seems sensible to me.

 

[muvolution]

It sounds like you have a serious problem with your medication. You don't just show up to your doctors office without an appointment and ask for a refill of scheduled medication. I suspect that you could really use a severe reduction in your dose and even some time off. You know that benzos lose their efficacy after about 3 months, right???

I think you should listen to your doctor.

 

[Missykins]

I had a psychiatrist who I would have been getting Valium and Temazepam from for years as well as another doctor. What the fuck are you even talking about?I WILL find a doctor that gives a shit and I am going to give the doctor a chance but Have you not read a thing I have fucking said? Sorry to be hostile but who said SSRIS are good for anxiety? Those are equally as addicting. Thats dumb. You dont taper two medications at once and anyone who knows shit knows that especially with jobs.

SSRIS do not work for me. I am not going to get of Benzos until I am ready I dont care what you say its MY call readthe ashton manual and then post your opinion ok.

The Ashton manual does not shed any light onto your particular problem. While SSRIs may not have worked for you, there is an entire body of peer-reviewed literature showing their efficacy for the treatment of GAD and PTSD. If you read my post more carefully, you'll note that I referred to medications other than SSRIs that are also effective for treating your psychiatric condition.

WRT to your post about "random responses," why post here if you don't want an honest response? I won't apologize for saying that you're wrong. You may also have noticed that none of us have said "fucking read my post" and "fucking this" and "I don't care what you say." If you really don't care what we say, they why bother posting here?

 

[yteek]

It sounds like you have a serious problem with your medication. You don't just show up to your doctors office without an appointment and ask for a refill of scheduled medication. I suspect that you could really use a severe reduction in your dose and even some time off. You know that benzos lose their efficacy after about 3 months, right???

I think you should listen to your doctor.

I agree with this guy 100%^
You can keep saying you're not addicted, you're dependent... honestly you probably are addicted and dependence is a key part of it. I took benzos for my anxiety, even took them as prescribed before and even though it was for a condition like panic attacks and anxiety .... I was addicted.

Instead of getting overly upset with everyone on the forum and your doctor... maybe try to understand some people mean the best with intentions. The use of benzos is never ending cycle of bullshit and add to the problems. Six years has been way to long to stay on benzos.

 

[Dave]

Technically, one isn't addicted until one has tried and failed to quit. At least according to my old pharmacology prof. Psychologically, addiction and dependence are all but identical.

I'm sorry that you're not hearing what you'd like to hear B&O, but there is actually some excellent advice here that I hope that you're able to take to heart. There's no need to get upset.

 

[yteek]

Technically, I don't think thats right.
You use heroin get hooked for years, then you stop successfully. You were still addicted and once an addict always addict. That's one guy's opinion, but there is a lot more to then that... a lot of today's professional have yet to really understand the nature of addiction.

 

[BananasAndOranges]

I agree with this guy 100%^
You can keep saying you're not addicted, you're dependent... honestly you probably are addicted and dependence is a key part of it. I took benzos for my anxiety, even took them as prescribed before and even though it was for a condition like panic attacks and anxiety .... I was addicted.

Instead of getting overly upset with everyone on the forum and your doctor... maybe try to understand some people mean the best with intentions. The use of benzos is never ending cycle of bullshit and add to the problems. Six years has been way to long to stay on benzos.

omg. Did you read my post. i was told I had to come in for refills like that.

 

[Opanaking]

Go see a new Dr. There's nothing else I could tell you that would help. Obviously your Dr. doesn't want to have you as a patient anymore. Is it legal? Who knows, the quicker you move on the less time you'll have to waste.

It just doesn't sound like a good situation and I would go somewhere else. And your lieing to your self if your saying your not addicted to benzodiazapines.

You are dependent for taking them as directed. You are also addicted because you need them. If you stop taking them you'll have withdrawal. Your addicted. Now maybe your argument would be well i'm physically addicted but not mentally. Well then why wouldn't you just give them up? Because you need them to function, because your ADDICTED!!!

Anyone who takes benzodiazapines as prescribed will become addicted if you take them long enough. Especially if you have anxiety which it cures. Saying your not addicted simply makes you loose credibility. For your Dr. to tell you to go to rehab for a medication he put you on would be unorthodox. Unless you started abusing it. It's just another reason to go see a new Dr. Get a second opinion