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Mother has schizophrenia?

AiryFairy

AiryFairy

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I plan to trip in a few days. After many months of trying to trip, but failing, I've finally found my time to. I feel emotionally ready for the experience. I've been researching more into it, but I have found that they say psychedelics can bring upon a psychosis? My mother has schizophrenia, so naturally, this worries me. I've been smoking weed for about two years now. I've also dabbled in lots of MDMA. Other than anxiety sometimes on weed (when I'm really high), I don't feel I have anything to worry about. Would tripping be a good idea for me?
 
Hi,

Tripping is a bad idea. If your mother suffers from an mental ilness like schizofrenia, it is in your family genetics.
There is a great chance you'll be become a schizofrenic too.
I hate to say this but you should stay away from drugs. It isn't worth fucking your whole life.
You don't feel you have to worry but you should. Psychedelics aren't toys.
Smoking weed isn't even good for you. The anxiety is a precursor of what still has to come...
Schizofrenia will develop in such a way you won't see it yourself.

Stay safe and avoid drugs.
 
Well, being predisposed for schizophrenia or certain other mental illnesses can put you at a higher risk of having a psychedelic (or some other drugs, such as cocaine) trigger that mental illness, so I would suggest doing a lot of research, starting very cautiously with small doses, and choosing an appropriate first-timer psychedelic if you decide to go ahead and try one.

How old are you? The reports of people for whom schizophrenia was triggered by psychedelics tend to be at around the age that schizophrenia onset usually occurs without psychedelics, normally around early adulthood. But according to the reading I've done, triggering mental illness by the use of psychedelics is not nearly as common as the media and War on Drugs etc would have us believe. And some researchers have concluded that there was no evidence that those people wouldn't have gotten schizophrenia even if they hadn't used psychedelics, (and that if the onset occurred near the time of the use of psychedelic it was likely a "non-specific trigger").

However, I don't think that the fact that MDMA or marijuana didn't cause any symptoms of mental illness for you is a reliable indicator that you will be fine with psychedelics, they are not very similar. I do have friends who have schizophrenic or bi-polar parents and they all used psychedelics with no problems, but that doesn't mean that you aren't at any risk. The only person I know who had schizophrenia onset in connection with drug use was doing copious amounts of cocaine (and I know a lot of drug users).

Read up on and prepare yourself for the exact effects you are going to experience with the psychedelic you choose, ask yourself whether you can handle these effects, and choose something that isn't TOO intense and that is generally reliable (like maybe mushrooms or good LSD, as opposed to, say, ayahuasca or datura or something). Try maybe 1/2 a normal dose the first time, that should still be plenty strong. And make sure you are with people you trust and who are really comfortable with, and are in a private, secure, positive environment. "Set and Setting" - one's mindset and surroundings - are extremely important with psychedelics, especially for a first-time experience and especially for someone who may be predisposed to mental illnesses.

Good luck and let me know if you need any help researching things or have any other questions. It's also perfectly ok to decide that maybe it isn't worth it for you to try psychedelics at this time - go with your intuition :-)
 
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Swimmingdancer said:
Well, being predisposed for schizophrenia or certain other mental illnesses can put you at a higher risk of having a psychedelic (or some other drugs, such as cocaine) trigger that mental illness, so I would suggest doing a lot of research, starting very cautiously with small doses, and choosing an appropriate first-timer psychedelic if you decide to go ahead and try one. How old are you? The reports of people for whom schizophrenia was triggered by psychedelics tend to be at around the age that schizophrenia onset usually occurs without psychedelics, normally around early adulthood. But according to the reading I've done, triggering mental illness by the use of psychedelics is not nearly as common as the media and War on Drugs etc would have us believe. And some researchers have concluded that there was no evidence that those people wouldn't have gotten schizophrenia even if they hadn't used psychedelics, (and that if the onset occurred near the time of the use of psychedeclic it was likely a non-specific trigger). However, I don't think that the fact that MDMA or marijuana didn't cause any symptoms of mental illness for you is a reliable indicator that you will be fine with psychedelics, they are not very similar. I do have friends who have schizophrenic or bi-polar parents and they used psychedelics with no problems, but that doesn't mean that you aren't at any risk. But I know a lot of drug users and the only person I know who had schizophrenia onset in connection with drug use was doing copious amounts of cocaine. Read up on the effects you are going to experience with the psychedelic you choose, and choose something that isn't TOO intense and that is generally reliable (like mushrooms or LSD as opposed to, say, ayahuasca or datura). Try maybe 1/2 a normal dose the first time, that should still be plenty strong. And make sure you are with people you trust and are really comfortable with in a private, secure, positive environment. "Set and Setting", one's mindset and surroundings, are very important with psychedelics, especially for a first-time experience and especially for someone who may be predisposed to mental illnesses. Good luck and let me know if you need any help researching things or have any other questions. It's also perfectly ok to decide that maybe it isn't worth it for you to try psychedelics at this time - go with your intuition :-)
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Your playing advocate of the drug devil :) Triggering mental illness with psychedelic drugs is a fact you shouldn't understate.
 
I'm 18. I planned on taking 2.5g of mushies. The way I see it, if I was to be diagnosed with schizophrenia, how would taking a psychedelic make a difference? If a person is destined to go insane, taking a drug would not make a difference. They will go crazy whether they took drugs or not.
 
yes but there is such thing as a tipping point; the way you are seeing things is from your perspective now, but you could feasibly end up too deep too late

you seem fine now so i'd assume you won't lose your marbles on your own accord, but if you threw a load of psychedelics into the pot the outcome is far more unpredictable, and i'm just not sure you really realise what this is ?

" i'll be fine, i'll be fine... "
 
What do you think about this:
at one point the trip becomes a little bit overwhelming. You start thinking you're losing your sanity.
Normally I start to think, it'll be all right, the trip will be over in x hours.
In your case, you maybe start thinking about your mother. Schizophrenia may be sitting there in your dna.
Think about it, the difference and the consequences.
 
I myself and my sitter will be able to ground me. I can't say exactly how I will think since I've never tripped.
I looked up the chances of getting schizophrenia. The biggest factor being stress. My chances of developing
schizophrenia are 6.5-13% compared to 1% for people that don't have a family history of mental disorders.
The average time a person would start showing syntomns would be the 20's-late 20's. It doesn't sound like
my chances are very high. Also, if it helps, my mother didn't have a nervous breakdown until maybe her mid 20's-early 30's.
 
How Will you ground yourself if you don't mind my asking.
If you would play a casino game to win 1000000dollar/euro and your chances are 6,5-13%
That's extremely high...
 
I will remind myself I'm high on mushrooms. I'll do everything there is noted to do, in the event I freak out. For example, singing a song, changing the room I'm in, changing the song, watching a movie or a show, talking to a friend, etc.
 
Nephtys said:
If your mother suffers from an mental ilness like schizofrenia...There is a great chance you'll be become a schizofrenic too.
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Incorrect. You can't even spell a common word that appeared in the post you are replying to? and was still on the screen when you were typing this. What are you 12 years old?

The OP may have a highER chance of schizophrenia than someone with none in the family, but to say you have a GREAT chance is WAAAY overstating the situation. You speak as if psychedelics are some "instant ON" switch to psychosis if anyone in the family is schizophrenic, and this is just total bullshit DEA fear-mongering.

If you are an adult and have have no mental illness incidents yourself thus far, in all likelihood you will be fine. The risk of "induced schizophrenia by psychedelic" is extremely small in general and your risk is higher than typical but to say it is "HIGH" or "GREAT" is incorrect. There is no study that states such a conclusion. Nephtys, if you know of one post it, otherwise don't scare-monger and make factually incorrect remarks based on your layperson's bad guesswork.

OP if you yourself have already experienced any mental health "incidents" or have other warning signs, then yes, avoid them. Otherwise, you are probably fine, but should be careful and start with low doses to check your tolerance.
 
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Thanks Dwayne. You reinforced the thoughts I already had. I know my chances are higher, but it is a risk I'm willing to take for this experience I want. I will go ahead with my trip and make a trip report in the next few days, so be sure to check it out.
 
hey dude...my biologcal mother is diagnosed with schzophrenia too and I have ventured into psychedlcs. Mushys are my fav and have never had a bad trp on them, however I have experienced psychosis on lsd whch was a little scary but was more due to the environment I was in than anything. My 2 cents would be that trying a psychedelic isnt going to trgger schizo in one trip i beleve its something that develops in the mind over time. I would go for a lose does....2 grams of mushes wld be good for a first tme and be in a good setting. Also abstain from weed when ur trippn becuase it cld send u overboard. Have fun the mushy experecne is well worth it.
 
DwayneHoover said:
Incorrect. You can't even spell a common word that appeared in the post you are replying to? and was still on the screen when you were typing this. What are you 12 years old?

The OP may have a highER chance of schizophrenia than someone with none in the family, but to say you have a GREAT chance is WAAAY overstating the situation. You speak as if psychedelics are some "instant ON" switch to psychosis if anyone in the family is schizophrenic, and this is just total bullshit DEA fear-mongering.

If you are an adult and have have no mental illness incidents yourself thus far, in all likelihood you will be fine. The risk of "induced schizophrenia by psychedelic" is extremely small in general and your risk is higher than typical but to say it is "HIGH" or "GREAT" is incorrect. There is no study that states such a conclusion. Nephtys, if you know of one post it, otherwise don't scare-monger and make factually incorrect remarks based on your layperson's bad guesswork.

OP if you yourself have already experienced any mental health "incidents" or have other warning signs, then yes, avoid them. Otherwise, you are probably fine, but should be careful and start with low doses to check your tolerance.
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I hope you understand AiryFairy is a poly-drug user. She has been smoking weed for two years and she had an episode of weekly rolling with stuttering problems as consequence. I try to look a the bigger picture.
In her head she already decided to trip, we can't change it. Weed on its own, increases the chance for mental illnesses like psychosis. Neurological her brain has been hit by the mdma (and other substances like meth) in her pills.
AiryFairy says she has a 6.5-13% chance to develop schizophrenia. That's a high chance in medicine! Her mother suffers from schizophrenia, we don't know if there are any other mental issues in her family...
Mental health isn't something you can easily cure. DwayneHoover, read her posts... 'Anxiety from weed' is just something you need to ignore? Drugs change people in the long-term.
She'll still listen to you, but IMO she shouldn't be focussing her life on drugs.
 
In my opinion, the trigger for awakening latent mental illnesses is not the drug, but what you experience while under it's influence. I don't know wether I have latent mental illnesses, but I had a really bad trip once. For a period of about 4 or 5 years afterward, my body would start to tremble when I told someone the details about that trip. I consider this to be mild PTSD. That trip was on 5 hits of acid, which has always been my favorite psychedelic and still is. But back then I was still ignorant about the basics: set, setting and dose. I took too much in an unfamiliar environment and ended up not trusting my trip buddy anymore.

Op, if you take extra precaution with set, setting and dose, you greatly reduce the risks. Ultimately it's up to you to decide if it's worth that risk.
 
As far as I'm aware there is no evidence whatsoever that links psychedelics (or any other drug) to triggering schizophrenia.

The most notable point about this is that the schizophrenic rates have remained constant, or gone down a little, for the last 100 years. If drugs had anything to do with triggering it then you would have expected schizophrenia rates to have exploded over the last 40-50 years of widespread drug use.
 
Where are these numbers coming from, a 6.5-13% chance for developing schizophrenia? Clearly you read that somewhere, can you point us to where? I am not sure if that is correct information.

Nephyts wrote:

In your case, you maybe start thinking about your mother. Schizophrenia may be sitting there in your dna.​


What the hell is this supposed to mean? As if suddenly because of some difficult tripping thoughts "CLICK!" and all of a sudden she as schizophrenia? It is ALOT more involved than your extremely naive and over-simplified idea of what "causes" the condition. It involves some very hardcore physical malfunctions of neurotransmitter activity or receptors... they really do not have a clear picture of why exactly. Anyway this is a ridiculous idea about what schizophrenia is. I have a sister and an aunt with it actually, and I have tripped hundreds of times and after coming down my mental/emotional health is as rock solid as ever. The idea of it "sitting there in your DNA" is also nonsensical... as if it's a time bomb and a brief exposure to a drug can cause some gene sequence to suddenly become globally active in a matter hours bang you have schizophrenia. Totally unlearned bunch of incorrect guesswork about how both schizophrenia work, what causes it, what drugs do in your system etc.

And Ismene is right. What actual evidence is there that psychedelics are a "trigger" for for the sudden onset of a severe mental illness? I am pretty sure it is zero. Perhaps some anecdotal tales, and some scare stories from the DEA, but actual medical studies that say this is real? I am tending to believe this is total BS.

Ismene's logic is a little flawed though, you would not necessarily seen a "huge uptick" in the society-wide rates of schizophrenia... for that to occur a large % of the population would have to have also become psychedelic users in the timeframe, but according to http://www.serendipity.li/dmt/166607.html (just what I found on a quick search) the rate of high school seniors to have tried a "psychedelic drug" seems to be at a max of about 25%. Which is no doubt a very loose interpretation of "hallucinogen" and includes even smoking pot once, which I think does not apply much to our discussion. And it leaves out people who are not high school seniors. The rates of people who have tried a true strong hallucinogen I would bet the rates in the entire population are very low, probably well below 5%, not enough to really affect the overall rates of schizophrenia even if there were a strong association between those drugs and the condition.

BUT ANYWAY - I agree with Ismene that there is no actual data anywhere showing that psychedelics are in fact a trigger for it. It's all just heresay, guesswork, anecdotes and anti-drug scare-propaganda.
 
DwayneHoover said:
Nephyts wrote:

In your case, you maybe start thinking about your mother. Schizophrenia may be sitting there in your dna.​


What the hell is this supposed to mean? As if suddenly because of some difficult tripping thoughts "CLICK!" and all of a sudden she as schizophrenia? It is ALOT more involved than your extremely naive and over-simplified idea of what "causes" the condition. It involves some very hardcore physical malfunctions of neurotransmitter activity or receptors... they really do not have a clear picture of why exactly. Anyway this is a ridiculous idea about what schizophrenia is. I have a sister and an aunt with it actually, and I have tripped hundreds of times and after coming down my mental/emotional health is as rock solid as ever. The idea of it "sitting there in your DNA" is also nonsensical... as if it's a time bomb and a brief exposure to a drug can cause some gene sequence to suddenly become globally active in a matter hours bang you have schizophrenia. Totally unlearned bunch of incorrect guesswork about how both schizophrenia work, what causes it, what drugs do in your system etc.
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Dude, I seriously know schizophrenia isn't a time-bomb sitting around the corner waiting for the right time... If things get a little bit intense and she's evolving toward a bad trip, shrooms have the tendency to start thinking for yourself. Sober you rationally know your psyche is safe, but in that case (bad trip) her mind maybe starting to think she goes insane. And how long will it take for the shrooms to link the 'becoming-insane' to her mother's schizophrenia... DwayneHoover, you are reading my words as if I try to sell psychedelics as instant schizophrenia flip-on switch. You and I know both what nonsense that is. I read her posts and decided to strongly discourage her. Psychedelics aren't some fun toys to see some visuals....
 
The fact that you refer to mushrooms as "mushies" indicates that you are already at least borderline schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. Proceed with caution. Actually, fuck it. Do it do it do it.
 
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