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I think RCs are completely different due to modernisation and technology in comparison to buying acid when it was legal

There is absolutely no difference between a Research Chemical and a traditional drug, other than the fact that one has a longer history of human use. Like thenightwatch pointed out, at one point LSD-25 was an RC too.

most people would agree there is a lot more to a 2c experience than it just trying to impersonate acid

Definitely. 2C-E gave me really interesting perceptual phenomena that acid never had in the slightest. For instance, 2C-E's visuals blow acid's visuals out of the water. 2C-E even has some vivid auditory stuff going on, and other effects that I can't even describe.
 
time to take out the old xmas avatar, and in with the new!

also, would you call 2cb a RC? it has a rather extensive history of use... and the effects are well loved and known...
 
There is absolutely no difference between a Research Chemical and a traditional drug, other than the fact that one has a longer history of human use. Like thenightwatch pointed out, at one point LSD-25 was an RC too.

As said above, people like you are missing my point. Research Chemicals of nowadays are different from Research Chemicals in say the 1940s. Back then research chemicals weren't seen as a means of profit by Chinese labs and you couldn't go online and order a custom synth of a kilo like people these days are doing, there was catalogues but it definitely wasn't to this scale. It's called modernisation. I'm not just talking about the title, I'm talking about the entire process, if RCs were the same back then as they were now why don't we have all these analogues already - albeit they were discovered, but nobody was making them on this sortve scale. People are more inclined to try research chemicals after the likes of Tihkal/Pihkal as we learnt a lot from Shulgin and discovered that they were probably a lot safer than made out to be. Back then you didn't have the Internet to go and discuss your experiences with others. If RCs were the same back then as they are now, they wouldn't have just brought in these RC laws.

You are all so defensive of your research chemicals without considering what I'm saying. Go onto a Research Chemical website, look at the amount of random stimulants, etc we have these days, to be honest and while some of you may not agree all these random stimulants are pretty much shit and they keep appearing. I'm reading all these threads of people trying all these new research chemicals, bombing say 200mg of something and reporting a buzz similar to caffeine.

I'm talking about the actual chemicals that are defined as RCs we have at the moment, the majority aren't even worth wasting your time with if you can just get an alternative chemical that is in most cases just not the analogue. You guys might enjoy splashing all your money out on these chemicals and trying them, but that is of no interest to me, I'd rather spend my money on something that will be enjoyable rather than be a 'guinea pig' (and no I'm not saying you're all gonah have 3rd arms).

The idea behind research chemicals is extremely interesting and I love it, after all we've discovered some really nice ones such as Etziolam/nBOME as of late. But there is a lot of shit to sift through to find the good ones, but then again that appeals to some and doesn't to me.

For example, people compare 2c-i to Acid and MDMA. Why not just take acid and MDMA? I find it a much cleaner experience.

I think a lot of people are so fond of research chemicals because they are legal in their country or easier to get than an illegal alternative, the 2cs for example have a high reputation in America because -e/-i were legal if I'm correct until a few weeks ago? That and the fact they are much cheaper than drugs in the same category (say psychedelics) highly appeals to people.


Definitely. 2C-E gave me really interesting perceptual phenomena that acid never had in the slightest. For instance, 2C-E's visuals blow acid's visuals out of the water. 2C-E even has some vivid auditory stuff going on, and other effects that I can't even describe.

2C-E visuals are naff if you ask me. They are visuals made up of repetitive loops and cycles, I could spend a day looking at a wall on acid and watch an amazing scene unfold. On 2c-e, all I see is the same things repeating themselves over and over. Say you're looking at a brick wall, on acid this brick wall can change colour and melt into some crazy landscape filled with themes of religious symbolism, etc. On 2c-e the bricks come out, move a bit, fall into place and repeat the same cycle - I only realized this was the reason I wasn't enjoying 2c-e too much after a few trips on it, so this was something I realized myself and wasn't influenced.
For auditory stuff, this comes out with acid at higher doses so that may be why you're not feeling it. I find even ~150ug is enough to get them in and believe me they are fantastic if you like the 2c-e ones you should find acids waaay cleaner and less 'disturbing'. I understand what you mean, possibly say on the comeup of 2c-e, but personally it was all just uncomfortable echoing.

With 2c-b, I'm not too
 
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dude i bet there were all kinds of shitty drugs back in the day that people did all the time. we just don't hear about them now. to assume that the 60's was a magical land full of LSD and with no other popular drugs that sucked is pretty ludicrous IMO. people have been dumb and greedy all through history.

As said above, people like you are missing my point. Research Chemicals of nowadays are different from Research Chemicals in say the 1940s. Back then research chemicals weren't seen as a means of profit by Chinese labs and you couldn't go online and order a custom synth of a kilo like people these days are doing, there was catalogues but it definitely wasn't to this scale. It's called modernisation.

i think that has more to do with the rise of Chinese industry in the latter half of the last century than it does with any changes in the standards of the average drug user...
 
dude i bet there were all kinds of shitty drugs back in the day that people did all the time. we just don't hear about them now. to assume that the 60's was a magical land full of LSD and with no other popular drugs that sucked is pretty ludicrous IMO. people have been dumb and greedy all through history.

Nah I doubt that, not on this scale. Bit silly to say that if you ask me, they sure as hell weren't pumping out kilos of random analogues every week. The resources available weren't the same as I said, Google for example didn't exist and think of the amount of people who discover rc sources through the Internet alone.


i think that has more to do with the rise of Chinese industry in the latter half of the last century than it does with any changes in the standards of the average drug user...

And? It still shows modernisation.

Although irrelevant, as this is a social thread and as for the modern drug user I'd say things have most definitely changed, look at the transition from acid's peak > MDMA's peak > mephedrone's peak. These three chemicals all heavily influenced the period in which people were heavily using them. For mephedrone if you want an example look at Dubstep music, LSD - psychedelic music, MDMA - electronic (what is now considered) old school.

I would say now the average drug user opts for stimulants, it reminds me of drugs that take 'less thinking' as such, were you don't have to worry about your set and setting and other small minor details that make a big influence on your experience. You can take MDMA in most places and have a good time, with psilocybin/acid it's completely different. It reminds me of why I feel the 2cs are a lot more popular too, I found they didn't have as good a psychedelic headspace as the more traditional ones, they felt like much more of a recreational visual trip than something I could ponder for hours over. But that is entirely my opinion and I'm sure many of you have probably had brilliant intellectual headspaces on the 2cs, cause I have taken acid considerably more times.
 
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wait. i dont think im missing the point
a lot of what today are called RCs have been discovered for some time, but only now have become available to the general public. isnt mdma about the same age as all the 2c? in that case, that makes it as much of an Rc as anything else.
i think you are thinking of all RC as being the same. i agree that there are a lot of (mostly stims) RCs that are simply analogues or trying to replicate a certain drug (mostly mdma), and i can see how someone might see these chems as dirty and made only for profit.

but like i said, there are other RCs that are really not stims, and have wonderful effects, that many prefer over traditional psychedelics. syntehtic tryptamines arent new, but are RC and have only recently become a bit more popular. sure they will never make big bucks for any company, and they will never be as popular as stims, but they have thier place.

it is also rather simple to think think that there are modern drugs for modern crowds and this all reflects in music.
i for one love electronic music on LSD, hate dubstep in every state. its more to do with set and setting really, and less with the precise substance....
 
wait. i dont think im missing the point
a lot of what today are called RCs have been discovered for some time, but only now have become available to the general public. isnt mdma about the same age as all the 2c? in that case, that makes it as much of an Rc as anything else.
i think you are thinking of all RC as being the same. i agree that there are a lot of (mostly stims) RCs that are simply analogues or trying to replicate a certain drug (mostly mdma), and i can see how someone might see these chems as dirty and made only for profit.

That's what I'm saying, I was trying to find out if AMT was really something special, as I know a good one does surface once in a while. I just don't wanna spend my cash on another nausea/side-effect filled experience when I would much rather have taken something else. A lot of people completely missed that here and have just dived head first after I said 'I don't really like the RC title'.

it is also rather simple to think think that there are modern drugs for modern crowds and this all reflects in music.
i for one love electronic music on LSD, hate dubstep in every state. its more to do with set and setting really, and less with the precise substance....

I think mephedrone heavily influenced Dubstep, I hate it also so it's even shitter (dubstep that is). People started to take lots of mephedrone and get much more interested in making/mixing, standard dubstep is easy to make and hence the reason we end up with so much of it. Think there is a thread in EADD that discussed this and it actually seems to fit, coincidence maybe but after LSD/MDMA I think it is actually due to the drugs. I know in this country, there was a noticeable rise of interest in Electronic music when mephedrone was at its peak and funnily enough that has subsided since the ban.
 
I was happy to notice 8,5 mg mirtazapine had no effect on 4-HO-MET, if something it actually potents the effect slightly for me. Anyway I'm now quitting mirtazapine, since I've noticed I can sleep on melatonin alone. For some reason mirtazapine prolonged the withdrawal from escitalopram, usually the brain zaps disappear a few weeks after quitting an SSRI but this time I started taking mirtazapine while still tapering escitalopram and I've had brain zaps and the constant freezing/chilling feeling from escitalopram now even some 2 months after quitting it. My guess is that mirtazapine somehow prolongs the WD. I know some people have brain zaps even 6 months after quitting an SSRI but I've taken some 10 different SSRI's and this is the first time the brain zaps still appear 2 months after quitting an SSRI. They're not as strong and frequent as the first weeks after quitting escitalopram but I'm so damn tired of them and especially the constant feeling of freezing.

I managed to find depth in 4-HO-MET for the first time on New Year's Eve but that was heavily influenced by also taking MXE. Not really a combination I prefer anyway, it's too physical, at times when 4-HO-MET had its peaks I was ravished by the physical feeling and physically trembling/shaking. It didn't feel unpleasant, but the physical aspect overshadowed the mental at times. For me it should always be the other way around. I'll save my 4-HO-MET for hedonistic, fun trips.
 
Nah I doubt that, not on this scale. Bit silly to say that if you ask me, they sure as hell weren't pumping out kilos of random analogues every week. The resources available weren't the same as I said, Google for example didn't exist and think of the amount of people who discover rc sources through the Internet alone.




And? It still shows modernisation.

Although irrelevant, as this is a social thread and as for the modern drug user I'd say things have most definitely changed, look at the transition from acid's peak > MDMA's peak > mephedrone's peak. These three chemicals all heavily influenced the period in which people were heavily using them. For mephedrone if you want an example look at Dubstep music, LSD - psychedelic music, MDMA - electronic (what is now considered) old school.

I would say now the average drug user opts for stimulants, it reminds me of drugs that take 'less thinking' as such, were you don't have to worry about your set and setting and other small minor details that make a big influence on your experience. You can take MDMA in most places and have a good time, with psilocybin/acid it's completely different. It reminds me of why I feel the 2cs are a lot more popular too, I found they didn't have as good a psychedelic headspace as the more traditional ones, they felt like much more of a recreational visual trip than something I could ponder for hours over. But that is entirely my opinion and I'm sure many of you have probably had brilliant intellectual headspaces on the 2cs, cause I have taken acid considerably more times.
most drug users opt for stimulants?
doesn't seem that way to me, i wish there were moar of us stimulant users around....
seems most gone to opiates to me....
 
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most drug users opt for stimulants?
doesn't seem that way to me, i wish there were moar of us stimulant users around....
seems most gone to opiates to me....

You live in the wrong place ;)
 
LSDMDMA&10228848 said:
most drug users opt for stimulants?
doesn't seem that way to me, i wish there were moar of us stimulant users around....

According to the National Coffee Association, 54% of American adults, age 25-39, were daily coffee drinkers (and therefore caffeine addicts) in 2011. Sounds like stimulants are the most widely abused drugs to me, if you count legal substances.
 
According to the National Coffee Association, 54% of American adults, age 25-39, were daily coffee drinkers (and therefore caffeine addicts) in 2011. Sounds like stimulants are the most widely abused drugs to me, if you count legal substances.

And we're at the top of the list when it comes to coffee (=caffeine) consumption by a quite large marginal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_coffee_consumption_per_capita

12 kg per capita compared to 4,2 kg in the US....

Maybe it explains why speed is the drug of choice here 8)

Edit: I don't even drink coffee myself, only tea. But otherwise, yeah, when people go to work they are uncapable of anything until they get their daily caffeine. And then there's the mandatory coffee breaks of course.
 
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You know what i mean though, i dont mean caffeine when i say stimurants.
Speed, Glass and Cocaine is wat i mean by stimurants.
oh you're from FRINRAND Cyanonide?
http://www.hark.com/clips/cnmclmsgcn-not-finland
NO NOT A FRIN RAND.
they have good speed in frinrand though dont they?
and methamphetamine speed not amphetamine speed right?
 
special k, think about your thinking man. Seriously. The RC label is mainly to differentiate these chemicals a having unknown health impacts or merely their being available on the grey market rather than the street. They are not a class of chemicals, there is no reason to say DMT is good but DPT or MET are worthless RCs or some shit like that. The label doesn't have anything to do with subjective effects either.

Anyway, my point is, your nay-saying seems to be more based off of the current cultural mythology surrounding the drugs you speak of rather than any actual merits they possess.


On to normal business! My lower digestive system is moving again and it feels rather uncomfortable. Yet I drank tonight instead of gettin' mah nod on just so I could come on here and be productive, among other things.
 
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call me mean, but i prefer people not nodding and being productive, even if by drinking...

sunday. still no snow. this winter is not going the way its supposed to.

was planning on doing my first 2cb+2cd combo this friday but felt too worm out to go through with it...
 
:p By productive I just mean posting here (and not taking 10 minutes per sentence). I'm thinking the time for me to trip is approaching once again, I still have a dose or three of 2c-e available. I really wanna get into some moderately high dose tryptamine experiences again, but the time isn't right yet I feel, some day it will be though.
 
Nah I doubt that, not on this scale. Bit silly to say that if you ask me, they sure as hell weren't pumping out kilos of random analogues every week. The resources available weren't the same as I said, Google for example didn't exist and think of the amount of people who discover rc sources through the Internet alone.




And? It still shows modernisation.

Although irrelevant, as this is a social thread and as for the modern drug user I'd say things have most definitely changed, look at the transition from acid's peak > MDMA's peak > mephedrone's peak. These three chemicals all heavily influenced the period in which people were heavily using them. For mephedrone if you want an example look at Dubstep music, LSD - psychedelic music, MDMA - electronic (what is now considered) old school.

I would say now the average drug user opts for stimulants, it reminds me of drugs that take 'less thinking' as such, were you don't have to worry about your set and setting and other small minor details that make a big influence on your experience. You can take MDMA in most places and have a good time, with psilocybin/acid it's completely different. It reminds me of why I feel the 2cs are a lot more popular too, I found they didn't have as good a psychedelic headspace as the more traditional ones, they felt like much more of a recreational visual trip than something I could ponder for hours over. But that is entirely my opinion and I'm sure many of you have probably had brilliant intellectual headspaces on the 2cs, cause I have taken acid considerably more times.

never said things haven't changed =p but the average drug user has always preferred stimulants, benzedrine was way more popular than LSD. also, pretty much every industry has changed in the way that you are describing the RC industry as having changed... mcdonalds didn't exist when LSD was invented, for instance =p
 
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