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Does dry heaving/ vomiting induce another wave?

Bob Mcdougle

Bob Mcdougle

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Does dry heaving/ vomiting induce another wave of your chosen orally administered substance?

I have wondered this for a while now, and have experienced several times, what I thought was another wave of the substance I had taken after vomiting, or just dry heaving.
LSA being the first substance for me to recognise this on.

But the occurrence that has pushed me to ask this question happened only about half an hour before I started to type this, after taking 6-APB.

Long story short, I took about what looked like between 150-200mg of 6-APB, and after 4 hours I began to come up. (I think it would be relevant for me to state here that, I have developed a reasonable tolerance for this substance, the last time I took it was exactly 24 hours before, and that I had been experiencing moderate stomach/ intesting discomfort for two days, which was more than likely due to excessive alcohol abuse, and was pushed over the edge by the 6-APB).
Anyway, I started to come down after only two hours of rolling, and with no nausea desided to try and be sick, (I think to see if I could release some pressure on my stomach). Before doing so I cheked my pupils in the bathroom mirror as a force of habbit when coming down and they were fairly normal.
After kneeling down at my toilet and dry heaving rather violently with no avail for about a minute or so, I straightened up and caught my breath, and as I did so felt a sudden rush, as I'm sure most of you will be familiar with it as "that Whoa! feeling".
After appreciating that rush for about 10 seconds or so, I stood up and checked my pupils again, and this time they were very dialated. And this wave lasted around an hour.

Sorry for my rambling, for what only needed to be a one line question, but I was under the influence of my dry heaving induced wave as I wrote this.


So basicaly does it? Have other people had experiences like this, or is this a well known medical fact?

Thanks for your time,


Bob Mcdougle
 
IME the act of retching or vomiting can certainly be a catalyst for your body to react in a way you wouldn't necessarily expect. I recently vomited up a dose of methadone and it made me go from extremely mild withdrawal to being at the hospital begging for them to put opiates in my arm (there was no way in hell I could keep my methadone down) in a matter of an hour or two. Once they had got some anti-emetics and a bit of diazepam inside me I was actually in very little withdrawal and swallowed my methadone easily.

Whilst this isn't a direct answer to your question, it certainly backs up the theory that vomiting/retching can be a catalyst for a certain psychosomatic state.
 
Psychedelic Jay said:
LOL WTF?

No.
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What makes you so sure of that?

Vomiting is an intense procedure your body goes through because it is scared that it contains poison. It seems only natural that this is going to have a pretty drastic effect on the CNS in some way.

Oh yeah, you're the guy that thinks it's a good idea to drink nail polish remover for 'research'.
 
Vomiting causes the body to release endorphins, binding mainly to the mu opiate receptors causing a dopamine release. The effect is powerful enough to cause bulimics to become addicted to vomiting to the point that taking the opiate blocker naltrexone causes a form of withdrawal according to some studies, and it's been used to treat bulimia by making them immune to vomiting's pleasurable effects. That I'd say almost certainly accounts for the subjective increased effects felt from some drugs.
 
^ I'd heard about that Sephur (naltrexone for bulimia) - it's a really interesting concept. A dopamine spike following endorphin release could certainly make you feel like the drug was hitting you harder.. I used to always vomit on the come-up of MDMA and always felt like things had kicked in after that!

Let's keep it civil in here please guys :)
 
Sepher said:
Vomiting causes the body to release endorphins, binding mainly to the mu opiate receptors causing a dopamine release. The effect is powerful enough to cause bulimics to become addicted to vomiting to the point that taking the opiate blocker naltrexone causes a form of withdrawal according to some studies, and it's been used to treat bulimia by making them immune to vomiting's pleasurable effects. That I'd say almost certainly accounts for the subjective increased effects felt from some drugs.
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There we go, a decent reply rather than some flat out 'no, don't be dumb' bullshit. Bizarrely enough this completely contradicts my recent experience though. The human body sure is an amazing thing.
 
^ Owen, in opiate users endorphin production is suppressed which would account for you not getting any positive effects from vomiting, but I can't begin to explain why it would make you feel worse? I don't *think* vomiting would have some kind of placebo type effect that kind of excites receptors so they expect the endorphin release in a way that makes withdrawal feel worse when they don't get it, but hey, what do I know, I'm no neurochemist. It's maybe plausible? :?
 
effie said:
I used to always vomit on the come-up of MDMA and always felt like things had kicked in after that!
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One of the crowd I used to go clubbing with was exactly the same Effie. Would always puke, and didn't feel right till he had. Never understood it at the time cos I did everything in my power to not puke. I mean who wants to do that when you're out, but thinking about an opiate-a-like kicking up the positive effects while simultaneously moderating the harsher ones, everything suddenly becomes clear. Later on we'd pay good money for smack to get a similar effect on the comedown, that twat had been getting it all along for free! :X ;)
 
So, you guys are saying that a quick and powerful clench of muscles is not going to raise inter-cranial pressure... GTFO

It still does not increase metabolism...

Opiates even endorphins increase inter-cranial pressure...

I know what I am saying. You guys disproved nothing. LMAO
 
omen_owen mk2 said:
What makes you so sure of that?

Vomiting is an intense procedure your body goes through because it is scared that it contains poison. It seems only natural that this is going to have a pretty drastic effect on the CNS in some way.

Oh yeah, you're the guy that thinks it's a good idea to drink nail polish remover for 'research'.
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That drastic effect is the damn vomiting...

Also for you... It was for personal experience. It was a small measured amount. It was acetone from a chemical warehouse. The reasearch was internet searching, the ingestion would the experiment... So don't be so brash.

I wish I could see some people in person sometimes...
 
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