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DOC/MDMA/6-APB Combination

clubberdude

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Quick question here. I'm planning for an all-night New Years Eve rave, should be a good crowd, in an out of town club.

I wondered if anyone has had experience of combining DOC with MDMA, or possibly 6-APB?

I've got good experience with each chemical alone, and have combined both DOC with aMT and DOC with 6-APB with no ill effect. However, I have read an idiosyncratic report of a bad response with someone combining DOC with MDMA, however, information on this is sparse. Chemically, I couldn't see any reason why a combination would be particularly hazardous... I'd be planning on leaving a few hours separation between dosing the DOC and MDMA/6-APB, and doses will be considerably smaller than my normal doses of either chemical if I were taking them alone.

So my question is has anyone combined these chemicals? How did it go? Did it feel safe or hazardous? Where there any ill or untoward effects as a result?

I appreciate any help on being able to establish whether this would be particularly dangerous or not. Cheers.
 
I'd be wary of mixing that many serotonergics, if this is something we can't stop you from doing please dose low for the first trial.

The Doxx class of phenethylamines is a little shaky as far as combinations go. I'd say just pick one or the other.

Take a nice dose of DOC and get a case of Nangs and use those for extra kicks. I'd be wary of adding 6-apb personally. YMMV.
 
I would be seriously concerned about mixing three potent amphetamines. I found 100 mg MDMA + 50 mg 2C-C to be quite unpleasant and I think it could potentially have gone horribly wrong had I not been in a setting with plenty of cold showers and refreshments.

If you have the time, read Erny's post, my reply to his post, and his reply to me. It concerns the mixing of MDMA with other phenethylamines: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...OMe-Thread?p=10144962&viewfull=1#post10144962
 
I've found phenethylamines and MD or MD-like compounds notoriously bad when used together. I've often found no need to do this, as usually with 2c-B or mescaline there needs no adjunct to attenuate the experience as it is usually so profound as it stands (or stood, to be precise).

4 substituted tryptamines would be much safer. If you want to candyflip (I hate that fucking atavistic term), use traditional psychedelics and CERTAINLY no DOxx compounds. You don't want to fuck around with that long a duration. Think about how awful a spot you'll be in if it turns out bad.

Even WORSE if you're sent to the hospital, both for your safety and the community at large that enjoys the responsible use of these compounds and their tentative legal status, provided people don't trip over their dicks and ruin it for the rest of us.
 
I am a responsible user, hence the reason I asked about it. the last thing I want is to be hospitalised, not least because it will ruin my night, and I quite agree it doesn't bode well for the RC scene (although its irrelevant to a degree in the UK as both DOC and MDMA are class A).

I was just interested in experiences. I don't have 4-substituted tryptamines to hand unfortunately. Closest thing is aMT (though don't want to mix that with DOC really, though have in the past to no ill effect).
 
I wasn't indicating you and I apologize if it came off that way.

It was geared to whoever might stumble upon this thread. The information needs to spread out that these are not things to be taken lightly or to use as one would lsd or mdma. It was more or less a public service hijack, again, my apologies as it is your thread. I'm sure you would agree with my message. :)

Be safe.

Just out of curiosity, why the need to combine these things?

Are you looking for candyflip type experience?
 
Ah ok I apologise if I was a bit off, I know its quite a mad idea, but the doses of MDMA would be very low (30-40mg a time). I was just wondering whether the issues were just potentiation related or whether there was a significant risk of a dangerous situation occurring due to an adverse reaction between the two compounds.

I'm completely with you on the warnings to the community though, it could be a potentially dangerous combination (hence why I posted this thread), though I do have some experience with both compounds.

I want to keep the DOC dose quite low (no more than 4mg, maybe even 3mg) as I'm not sure about how easily I will get on with the environment, but don't want to be underwhelmed by the effects. I'd like to have the option of topping up the effect throughout the night if the DOC fails to hit the mark. I'm also kind of interested to see how these two mix (the exploratory side of my personality).
 
ClubberMane loves his phen amphes so he has a tolerance least from his posts. IDK about the APB personally never done it, don't know any pharma info on it, doubt anyone else does either(much anyways). DOC and MDMA atleast is a splendid time and when I added a dash of MDA to the mix it was truly exquisite, but like I said dunno about the 6-APB but atleast you'll be good with the other two!
 
I wondered if anyone has had experience of combining DOC with MDMA, or possibly 6-APB?
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I'm slightly confused. Are you looking to take either DOC + MDMA or DOC + 6-APB, or are you looking to try the tripartite combination? I wouldn't go with the latter, as it will be less predictable while providing little benefit over 2-compound combinations.

Thou said:
as usually with 2c-B or mescaline there needs no adjunct to attenuate the experience as it is usually so profound as it stands (or stood, to be precise).
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You take adjuncts to reduce the effects of other compounds?? Did you mean "augment" instead?

ebola
 
I agree 4 mg is quite high, but I seem to have tolerance to most phenethylamines.

EDIT: I did the MDMA with the DOC and it was truely sublime! Tons of energy, incredible euphoria and the most incredible headspace I think I've ever had! I actually think DOC might well be my favourite compound now, its just a shame it lasts so long, makes it more a compound for a big night with after parties rather than standard club nights. LSD seemed to go very well with DOC too, although I think the LSD dose was relatively low, it definitely added a visual element to the trip (DOC really isn't very visual for me, the real beauty of DOC is the mental element of the trip which is far more fascinating).
 
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^Sweet :D How much more did it increase the empathy, since I find DOC to have quite an empathogenic and entactogenic dimention to it already? I've even got a sneaky feeling that it may have somewhat of a serotonin-releasing property to it, but of course thats pure speculation. Did the MDMA change the nature of DOCs unique psychedelic headspace? And how did it affect DOCs already cozy body-high?

I love DOC too, it's an amazing psychedelic and up there in my top few. It is so fine - the headspace is so beautiful, the nootropic aspect is incredible, and the visuals for me are astonishing! CEVs are extremely high resolution, and relentless. The body-high is possibly the best I've ever experienced, on anything. =D
 
A friend of mine tried DOC + 6-apb and absolutely loved it. I don't see any reason why DOx + MDxx or apb would be dangerous, perhaps unpleasant however because of bodyload issues.
 
I would still keep in mind Erny's pretty negative reaction from adding MDMA to a DOC comedown (several-hour blackout!). See the link in my post above.
 
The MDMA added perhaps 10-15% to the euphoria of DOC. Didn't make it any more psychedelic though. That said I find DOC very euphoric anyway, but also very clean.
 
clubberdude said:
The MDMA added perhaps 10-15% to the euphoria of DOC. Didn't make it any more psychedelic though. That said I find DOC very euphoric anyway, but also very clean.
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What doses of the two did you end up doing?
 
Quite a lot of DOC - maybe 6-7 mg separated by 2 hours, and small 20 mg or so bumps of MDMA - totalled around say 150 mg of MDMA over the course of several hours.
 
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