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Women and Badboys

^I don't think the (your) UK definition is so different. America is absolutely crawling with phony men and phony women who think they are bad-ass. However, when you float that "nice guys finish last bullshit", like you did, you sound just like a glossy magazine or some other pop culture nonsense that tries to split the idea of men into two stereotypes of either being "nice guys who finish last" (they actually "finish" in about 2 minutes from what I hear) or "bad boys" who fuck all sorts of girls and then end up in prison.

Best advice, shut up and quit analyzing and psychologically probing yourself and others and yours and their relationships. All people will come up with when they try to analyze this shit is stupid generalizations that strip people of any real individuality. What's even sadder is when these thoughts and generalizations become "self-fulfilling prophecies."
 
I think ya'll are being a bit harsh. There has been some good advice on this forum. If you have something to add that you DON'T think is fluff then go ahead and add it. Otherwise stop yer bitch'n.

People naturally generalize and group themselves. Who are you to say that it is a bad thing? You do it too if you have a job, friends, religion, education etc. Living life without labels is a lofty ideal that not many can live up to (this sentence is brought to you by the letter "L"!). Yes, people are complicated and you should really get to know people before you judge them, but there are billions of those fuckers running around! You can't meet everyone individually and give them your full attention. People need groups to survive. If you know what you like and what you are attracted to, I say all power to you.

I will restate my point that anyone who is all "bad" or all "soft" is fucking useless, and it is being in touch with all aspects of personality that make someone attractive, at least to me.

Now I am going to make some fart sounds with my armpits. You know, because fuck your pretentious bullshit. %) <--BMF

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Labels are definitely something to impose on others, rather than adhere to in your own life. Let people label you however they want, and do the same to them. It's what are brains are programed to do. Embrace it or don't.
 
^what our "brains are programmed to do" are you another BL'er that doesn't believe in Free Will? I don't think I'm running off of some "program," and to to think that I would be sounds bat-shit fucking crazy to me! Of course, in typical BL'er fashion you'll reply and say, "that wasn't what I meant" or something like that, but no, that's what you meant, and you're wrong...or crazy!
 
Actually I'm not totally sold on freewill. I used to believe that it was in inevitable construct of a Universe run on chaos, but I'm not so sure that is the nature of the Universe anymore. I have experienced far too much in my life that is out of the ordinary. There are coincidences and things that happen against the odds, and there are straight up miracles that I don't have an explanation for. I think that things happen the way they do for a reason, and that freewill may very well be an illusion designed to keep us involved in this thing called life so that we just might learn something from it. Life needs to be something that you want to grab by both ears and shake the shit out of, otherwise what is the point? We need to believe that we are chess masters, even though we are just the pawns. I don't care if you think I am crazy (YES! LABEL ME!). I think the rest of the world is crazy for buying into this bullcrap.

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I am not interested in people who create drama or have a criminal record.
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Are either of those things necessary to be a BMF? If you were accosted by nefarious individuals in a dark ally intent on raping and murdering you, wouldn't you want your man to take out his sharpened screwdriver and straight shank the shit out of them? He didn't start no drama, just ended it. A criminal record is the mark of a man who was slow or stupid, not of a true bad motherfucker.
 
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I'm in love with a hell of a retired trouble maker who would take a bullet for me <3 it takes a bit more then book smarts , meaning I would prefer 50/50. I don't want a nerd either , or an ex convicted of murder with tear drops on his face :).
The best of both world
A man that can sit and have lunch with professionals and then go home to the dark side of life.
 
MyFinalRest said:
^I don't think the (your) UK definition is so different. America is absolutely crawling with phony men and phony women who think they are bad-ass. However, when you float that "nice guys finish last bullshit", like you did, you sound just like a glossy magazine or some other pop culture nonsense that tries to split the idea of men into two stereotypes of either being "nice guys who finish last" (they actually "finish" in about 2 minutes from what I hear) or "bad boys" who fuck all sorts of girls and then end up in prison.

Best advice, shut up and quit analyzing and psychologically probing yourself and others and yours and their relationships. All people will come up with when they try to analyze this shit is stupid generalizations that strip people of any real individuality. What's even sadder is when these thoughts and generalizations become "self-fulfilling prophecies."
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I have no idea what you're talking about. Nice guys often do get a raw deal until they hit their 20s, when women stop looking for "the hardest bloke" around. I'll go by my own experience, you go by yours. Round here that is the norm, it's the running joke. It's not some crack pot ideal I've just magic'd up, that is what happens. I'm not saying nice guys don't get any, because that'd be ridiculous, but I know alot more cunts who have women falling over them than nice guys, and alot more nice guys with nobody than bad blokes ;) Wether or not you agree with that is completley up to you, but round where I was living until last year it was very true....
 
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Are either of those things necessary to be a BMF?
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according to the OP, yes. she specifically said a "bad boy" was an aggressive trouble-maker. and, according to AskMen.com (and i can't believe i'm quoting from AskMen.com, but these are the traits i too, would attribute to "bad boys"), the common characteristics of a "bad boy" are:

- cocky, arrogant
- always puts himself first
- inattentive to a woman's needs
- does what he wants when he wants to do it, regardless of what anyone else thinks
- acts like a loose cannon
- struts his masculine sexuality
- isn't even remotely a "nice" guy
- treats women badly
- often uses women for sex

If you were accosted by nefarious individuals in a dark ally intent on raping and murdering you, wouldn't you want your man to take out his sharpened screwdriver and straight shank the shit out of them? He didn't start no drama, just ended it.
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i would be more than a little concerned if my boyfriend carried around a sharpened screw-driver. either way, protecting someone you care about (a good guy) is much different than provoking a stranger for no other reason but to prove what a bad-ass you are (a bad boy).

i said it before, but i agree with PI. at this stage in my life, i need more than cheap thrills.
 
"It's fer screw'n shit"

Personally I carry a knife, but I had a flathead that I sharpened up because I had to fly somewhere and you can take a screwdriver under 6 inches on a plane with you. TSA is a fucking joke. They let me on with it but took away my toothpaste. Seriously, both were in my toiletries kit in my carry-on.

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Nobody move or I'll blow us all to hell!

The conversation went something like this:

TSA: Sir, is this your bag?
Me: Sure is.
TSA: We are going to need to take a look inside.
Me: No problem.
TSA: What's this?
Me: My toiletries kit.
TSA: (opens kit) OH! Here we go! (pulls out toothpaste and ignores vicious looking screwdriver) Sir, we can't let you fly with a tube of toothpaste that is this big. You are going to have to throw it away.
Me: Whatever.

I figure if fucking anyone can be armed on an airplane, then I'm damn well going to be too. I ain't letting MY flight get jacked. Only two things keep us safe in the air: cockpit doors that lock and bad motherfuckers willing to fuck up anyone who tries to light their underpants on fire or take a hostage.


I think that definition needs to be a bit looser. I don't think you need to be an asshole to be bad, just someone who shouldn't be fucked with. If your boyfriend is legitimately bad-ass enough to fuck up several armed assailants without the use of a weapon then he is certainly a BMF. If he can do it with a tube of toothpaste then I think he deserves some kind of bad motherfucker trophy.

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Can you knock that gun off and solder on a tube of toothpaste instead? Also I want BMF engraved on his belt buckle.
 
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Fawkes said:
according to the OP, yes. she specifically said a "bad boy" was an aggressive trouble-maker. and, according to AskMen.com (and i can't believe i'm quoting from AskMen.com, but these are the traits i too, would attribute to "bad boys"), the common characteristics of a "bad boy" are:

- cocky, arrogant
- always puts himself first
- inattentive to a woman's needs
- does what he wants when he wants to do it, regardless of what anyone else thinks
- acts like a loose cannon
- struts his masculine sexuality
- isn't even remotely a "nice" guy
- treats women badlyi
- often uses women for sex



i would be more than a little concerned if my boyfriend carried around a sharpened screw-driver. either way, protecting someone you care about (a good guy) is much different provoking a stranger for no other reason but to prove what a bad-ass you are (a bad boy).

i said it before, but i agree with PI. at this stage in my life, i need more than cheap thrills.
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You mean an asshole. ? Or a douche bag. I'm talking about james Dean rebellious type :) . IV seen plenty of guys behave such as u described but I consider that far from bad boy behavior that's asshole behavior
 
Well, this thread has gotten out of hand...and I DO actually have something intelligent to say about it. I also hate the lame stereotypes and guys posing as badboys who clearly aren't, and am not interested in that type of discussion. But I believe there is something real/valid in the female attraction to that kind of guy.

The greatest fear you have about a man you're with is that he's going to get killed, so you will have no protector/hunter for yourself and your children (on the most instinctual level). And a guy who has a taste for fighting, or a killer instinct, is likely to strike first, as he lacks empathy, so he is more likely to survive. I think this is why women can like men who can be cruel, and even look for them. The other great fear you have is that a man is going to kill YOU, or hurt you in some way, which a badboy is more likely to do, so women are kind of inbetween a rock and a hard place when it comes to men, and we want him to qualify as a good caretaker and protector at the same time. But this is not possible, so no matter what a man does he will lose in some way. The most successful ones are the ones who can balance it.

Oh, Sid Vicious and Billy Idol, great examples of badboys, very sexy too, mmm. I also agree the British and American badboy is somewhat different, I've had experience with both, heh. The American tends to be more macho and more of a show-off, bragging of his accomplishments, etc. and more obviously cocky. The British type is more understated, but can be just as hard, he just takes it more as a given and doesn't make a big fuss about it, which is more the British way, and in a way is more impressive. They are also cocky, but in a more understated way, like it's no big deal to them because they do it all the time. British guys will know what I'm talking about. I can like both really. The American type can be hot if he's not too much of a show-off, which is a bit embarressing. Us Europeans just have a different style, we like to be a bit more humble, and nonchalant.
 
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Is that you agreeing with me or talking shit? Hard to tell. I think we agree that anyone who is all hard or all soft becomes unattractive, and it is the melding of the qualities (in men or women) that becomes attractive? If you were more of a bad-ass yourself do you think you would feel the need to be protected, or scared that your man might hurt you? Personally, nothing is hotter to me than the knowledge that a woman would slit my throat if I crossed her. I can't relate to your fear of death.

This doesn't even need context.
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Just one fresh squeezed fuck was given today, and not about this...
 
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This thread has been done. It has been done more than once.

This particular version seems to be moving into an argumentative direction. The images are a bit over the top too.

Let's all try to keep things civil and a little more image free please.

:)
 
Ninae said:
And a guy who has a taste for fighting, or a killer instinct, is likely to strike first, as he lacks empathy, so he is more likely to survive.
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When you think about it, someone who has a taste for fighting has a much higher chance of getting into a life-threatening altercation in the first place. After all, it is 2011, not 1011. While I suppose 1,000 years of evolution isn't that many in the grand scheme of things, I'd still have to say the logic is fundamentally flawed there. Your non-fighter will have a much better chance for survival. The balance thing you brought up comes into play here, because effectively, you'd want someone who never invites an altercation unless met with a situation threatening the safety of himself or his family.

Unfortunately, you will never really know who that person is, because they would naturally never display that side of themselves, for fear of getting into an unnecessary confrontation <-- which is perfect, as you wouldn't want him to be harmed, right?

So what you're saying is a little selfish, because it implies that you require a guy to display traits that you find sexually appealing, while logic dictates that those very same traits decrease his overall chances of survival.

While we're on the topic of sex appeal, how sexy do you find pedantic overthinking? ;)
 
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I had a few books due at the local library today but I refused to return them even with the knowledge I'd incur overdue fines as a result.

So yeah, you could label me a bad boy.
 
Noodle said:
This thread has been done. It has been done more than once.

This particular version seems to be moving into an argumentative direction. The images are a bit over the top too.

Let's all try to keep things civil and a little more image free please.

:)
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I agree with you, this topic has been beaten to death in most contexts, and it not one I've ever had any interest in engaging in. But some experiences led me to think differently - as I do have some ability for self-correction - and that maybe there is something to it.

So I was looking for a discussion that was something different from the usual cliches and maybe could come up with something useful and closer to the truth of it all, or what do you think? I have no problem in admitting I was wrong before and actually welcome this new realisation in myself and see it as something positive, and anyone who can lead me in that direction I appreciate.
 
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