DXM and Piracetam to the Acute Stage of Heroin W/D AND addiction?!

[Jabberwocky]

Greetings One and All,

I am interested in getting some feedback. In what you ask? WELL, here you go...

I was able to stop using heroin recently, on my own. Here's the thing: there is a lot of negative, shame, etc., that all went into using the dope (e.g. manipulation, deceit, etc. etc.; although my circumstances have changed too (e.g. I think I finally got over a bad break up/girlfriend from college)) and I wasn't able to stop using until...

Three weeks to a month or so before I was able to quite the dope I started taking Piracetam, anywhere from 1g to 10 daily, down lower to around the 5g range.

The first day I was dope sick, as I had a moderate to small habit going (mainly smoking/black tar), I was too out of it to care what was going on. Mostly I just slept. Mostly. No puking, or horrible W/D symptoms this go around.

Of course I was out of it. And, I started feeling my using withdrawn nasty diarrhea self by the second day. To deal with it? This time, instead of lying, stealing or begging to get more dope, I decided to use DXM. It had worked before to get me through acute W/D. "Worked," meaning it knocked me out and disassociated me enough too not mind the fact I was in W/D. Plus, I found, given my own person GI tract issues and history, as well as history with DXM (minimal, but I am naturally curious person) that the DXM help with lingering constipation.

So, on day two when I started to feel sick, I took a low dose of DXM (2.817mgDXM/kgWIEGHT, or 230m). It has been five days. I have continued to take related doses. Other than the third day, when I took three 230mg doses, spaced out throughout the day (going from 2.817mgDXM/kgWIEGHT to 5.634mgDXM/kgWIEGHT to 8.451mgDXM/kgWIEGHT or from 230 to 460 to 690) and today (where I took two doses of 230mg, one in the AM and on in the PM (9:30am|7:30pm), I’ve only been taking 230mg of DXM a day or 2.817mgDXM/kgWIEGHT.

To sum it up, each representing the days of the experiment:

• First day, no DXM
• Second day, 230mg DXM
• Third day, total 690mg DXM, three doses, 10:30 AM, noonish, and 7:30 PM
• Fourth day, 230mg DXM
• Fifth day, 460mg DXM, two doses, 9:30 AM and 7:30 PM
• Sixth day, 0mg (this will be tomorrow; I might take another 230mg, but I doubt it)

Each day, I continued to take my daily dose as mentioned of piracetam after waking up.

See http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...shness-with-Piracetam?p=10184461#post10184461 This was written on day one or something.

Now my question is, okay I admit. I’ve been a little slower these past few days. Surely, I’ve been fucked up and incapacitated while disassociated on DXM. Under the influence, as they say, But even then, when I’m messed up, under the influence, all that seems to differ from my normal intelligent, analytical, sensitive yet oh-so-emotional little boy which I am, hehe, well, something has happened.

That is, I’ve stopped using the dope. I’ve stopped manipulating and decieving. Started exercising again and being productive. Etc. etc. And I love this. As in, I don’t love the fact his has happened, but it feels good to do good. Which is almost foreign. Almost.

Questions:

1. WHATS THE DEAL?
2. Can someone give me some feedback as to the role of DXM and Piracetam in Heroin W/D?...
3. Addiction and related anti-social disorders that go along with it? Pretty please?...
4. Could an NMDA antagonist approach to addiction be useful in the Post Acute Withdrawal Stage, if it is in the Acute Stage?

Day six was no more for the experiment, and it ended. There were no negative side effects. I didn’t shit my pants. I stopped doing what I didn’t want to do and started doing what I wanted to do. Was I just lucky, or does anyone have any advice as to how this refinement might have helped or hindered me?


Thanks for read all this in advance! Opinions appreciated, but I’m really trying to figure this thing out here. Like, what frick’n happ’ned?!

p.s. I also forgot to mention that one of the most astonishing things here is that I quite smoking. Now, I'm a hard smoker. I've been a hard smoker for more than four years. Up to two packs a day. Digging in the trash for butts smoker. Nasty. Fucking gross. What gives? Now the last thing I want is a cig. In fact, all I can think about is how frick'n nasty this all is.

 

[Thou]

NMDA antagonists for tolerance, a collection of the evidence and anecdotal reports

Read through the entire thread. Might be of use in your situation.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Thank you very much Thou! That's pretty above me though, to be frank. Esp. right now I'll try sifting through tomorrow.

Regardless, I'm also interested in learning what side effects this "treatment"//experiment I've undergone will have on me, myself and I.

esp. concerning relationship between piracetam and dxm?!!?

I'm wondering if the positive outcome thus far in my case is due to

• circumstance//chance//my own chemistry or genetics or whathaveyou
• piracetam
• piracetam+dxm

(I can rule out DXM on it's own, unless it's just randomness of course)

Maybe it's just too early to tell? But something happened. And I'm digging it.

Finally, one last thing to note is that, during my little experiment, I listened extensively to a really good/enjoyable (to me) CD and was in a SAFE, comfortable, laid back, low stress enviroment. Not a lot of people. I got to be a loner and listen to my recovering loner music (KiD CuDi; Man On The Moon).

EDHIT:

Thou, thank you so much. I actually started reading through your post and got to "memantine." Did a little research. Awesome!!! Thanks so much for your help. Still, if you could put it in your own words for me I'd appreciate it, but I'll go back over it again till I get it. Thanks again! ...for the third time, or whatever. I can't believe I stumbled across this combo, by chance, it would seem.

 

[Thou]

Glad to be of assistance, thanks for the thanks.

 

[Jabberwocky]

this isn't ADD but OD material so i'll throw it over there and see how the discussion develops.

i got your pm OP

 

[Thou]

Thanks for the PM.

No problem man good luck in staying sober, use the tools your intellect provides you.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I'd be interested to hear what the combo of the two (by this I mean DXM+Piracetam//two NMDA antagonists) do in reference to antisocial behaviors related to addiction I was experiencing.

Like, it felt as I wasn't myself during this episode. Literally. And it lasted about a month. It was HORRIBLE. A literal living hell. And now, with such a dramatic shift in perception/attitude, well, it leaves me rather dumb founded.

Part of me feels like I've reverted to a younger, better version of my same self. Another part of me thinks this is the start of something new and amazing. Furthermore, I also feel like I'm really lucky/blessed/whatever to be where I am right now, in this moment. Not to be too cliche or anything. Wait. Was that even a cliche? (NOTE I'm not sure what a cliche is...)

Perhaps the psychedelic aspect mixed with the dissociative aspect (given earlier anxiety/people pleasing personal issues) of DXM just rocked my socks, and I was lucky enough that
I stumbled upon the Piracetam+DXM combo when I did. Right time and place sorta thing. Hmm....

NEW THEORY: So, as tolerance reducing agents, I think the combo I stumbled upon have, in these past few days, lowered my tolerance so much that, well, I'm scared shitless of going back. To the behavior or drugs. SHIT Less. And I mean it. As in, I haven't taken a shit recently. Okay, sorry, TMI. I know. I know.

And trust me, I've tried to loose myself in alcohol. I can have one beer, drinking it slowly, tops. More than that and I fall asleep. I can't even fathom getting piss drunk. All that puke? No thanks.

And I tried smoking last night. It was fun, at the time, yea. But now, after not doing it for a couple days. Screw that. My throat hurts like a bee-ah-ttcchh. And I've just tried smoking. I find is sooooooooooo disgusting and disphoric I can't even communicate it to you. Impossible. Gosh, I wish you all could see the shit eating grin on my face right now. I'm so pleased with the current situation. More so with myself than I have been in like four plus years (strangely, about since I started using opioids).

Furthermore, I've also noticed that caffeine is much more enjoyable than ever before

No problem man good luck in staying sober, use the tools your intellect provides you.

When I did a brief stint in treatment a couple months ago, certain counselors or whomever would tell me how my mind was my greatest enemy. True, in a sense I guess. But, FUCK THAT! I'm enjoying, as you so eloquently put it, using the tools my intellect provides me with. For realz. :D

Not like I'd be opposed to treatment. I've certainly my issues. Certainly. Now, what we have is a much more balanced approach. Thank the stars! ("stars" = my combo of NMDA antagonists+Thou+me+Everything+etc. etc.)

Now I'm off to find a list of NMDA Antagonist organized hierarchically by potency. And another by half-life :D

• Do you think I can lower the dose of DXM and maintain the efficacy of it's NMDA antagonist tolerance reducing effects?

I just don't want to fuck with it unless I have to, I guess. Plus, TBH I kinda enjoy the space cadet psychadellic feel of a low dose of my 1st Plateau DXM trips.

Man, I keep coming back and editing this. Adding more info and whatnot. Hah, whatever.

 

[Jabberwocky]

This serves at two things.

• bump
• I am thinking now. First, I talked about methadone with someone yesterday. Now I've done a little research. It has NMDA antagonist properties. Second, given the antisocial behavior I was engaged in surrounding heroin use, maybe it is best I just take it easy. Like, working with an MD, I should go on the methadone program. Maybe.

I want to tread lightly, given how powerful of an opioid methadone is. I don't just wanna switch one addiction for another. But, then again. If I'm working with a Doctor, and actually doing what they tell me to do, maybe it's for the best. Options to explore.

Hey hey HEY! And this is the hundredth post. Cheers! %)