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200mg Morphine Sulfate questions

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theking89

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Hey guys I'm on my phone and the search isn't working right so sorry if this has already been discussed. But a guy I know has came across some 200mg time released ms. I believe it also has that gel shit in it. But my buddy was curios on the best ROA/BA. Also he is curios on how much you thibk would be a good dose considering his tolerance can handle up to 100mg of hydro if not more. He haas taken about 130mg of the 30 ms but he still would like some input from what you guys think. Also he doesn't iv just snort and eat. He's not ruling out plugging but he's never done it before so if that's the best way to administer would it be possible to do it with that gel shit in there? Please advise. Thank you
 
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Oral is better than nasal, and the only thing that might be better than oral (other than IV) is plugging, but I don't know how that would work with the pill gelling up.

Morphine isn't all that great, and with a tolerance of 100mgs of hydrocodone, the 130mgs of morphine won't be too strong. I don't see how our input will help given that he has already taken it though.
 
He hasn't taken that much in awhile and hasn't really taken many opies lately and he heard that your tolerance doesn't really go back to normal so he was just curious on y'alls opinion
 
I'm always able to take 200mgs of oral morphine without any problems after long breaks of 6+ months, so he should be fine doing a dose like that.
 
no way man ! the usa ms contin contain gel :S thats a horrid thing to put in them. i can get 200mg uk mst's dirt cheap and they are all powder inside although they do contain wax binders but gel ? thats a new one to me ! dont shoot em whatever u do
 
Tommyboy said:
Morphine isn't all that great, and with a tolerance of 100mgs of hydrocodone, the 130mgs of morphine won't be too strong. (...)
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Subjective opinion. Morphine eats heroin for breakfast for me, heroin is like mind high with little body high compared to morphine's full mind and body high.

Certainly 130mg of morphine orally won't be strong as the same amount of hydrocodone is, low oral BA is the cause. But after all hydrocodone is a really much weaker than morphine and without that good body high feel to it, it's totally different. It binds itself to opioid receptors so it doesn't only rely on metabolism to hydromorphone but still, it's weak if you count in all routes of administration possible.

Also, plugging won't be much better than taking it orally. I remember a guy who "proudly" stated his morphine tolerance is 500mg, otherwise he doesn't feel anything anymore. Well, when he injected it instead of stuffing it up his ass, he saw he had taken nothing... Rectal administration is actually ~oral administration. So imagine the guy was nodding after "only" 80mg...
 
adder said:
Subjective opinion. Morphine eats heroin for breakfast for me, heroin is like mind high with little body high compared to morphine's full mind and body high.

Certainly 130mg of morphine orally won't be strong as the same amount of hydrocodone is, low oral BA is the cause. But after all hydrocodone is a really much weaker than morphine and without that good body high feel to it, it's totally different. It binds itself to opioid receptors so it doesn't only rely on metabolism to hydromorphone but still, it's weak if you count in all routes of administration possible.

Also, plugging won't be much better than taking it orally. I remember a guy who "proudly" stated his morphine tolerance is 500mg, otherwise he doesn't feel anything anymore. Well, when he injected it instead of stuffing it up his ass, he saw he had taken nothing... Rectal administration is actually ~oral administration. So imagine the guy was nodding after "only" 80mg...
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For sure man, and even though I don't find morphine to be that euphoric, I was referring more to it's strength when saying it's not that great. Even if you really like morphine, you are still going to need to take a high oral dose if you have any type of tolerance. If you have the 15mg pills, then you may need 10 of those, which is a surprise for a lot of people considering the reputation morphine has in terms of strength.

Here in the US it gets so much hype that people expect too much out of it, unless of course they IV it. You grow up hearing about old soldiers having gotten hooked on it while at war, and then you hear about it being prescribed primarily to terminally ill patients, or post-op in the recovery room, so it's really put on a pedestal here. I have gotten a number of phone calls from friends all excited saying that they came across a 15mg morphine pill, and were wondering if they will die if they eat the whole thing. So do you know what I tell them? "It's not all that great" ;)
 
Tommyboy said:
Here in the US it gets so much hype that people expect too much out of it, unless of course they IV it. You grow up hearing about old soldiers having gotten hooked on it while at war, and then you hear about it being prescribed primarily to terminally ill patients, or post-op in the recovery room, so it's really put on a pedestal here.
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^It really is like that, haha. Morphine left me pleasantly disappointed my first time, only because I had expected too much out of it.

Stick to oral in my opinion, I had some other stuff typed out but it already got (excellently) covered by Tommyboy and adder.

Moving this to BDD though, I'm also going to edit your title for easier searching in the future.
 
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a 15 mg morphine tablet would not even produce any euphoria at all really especially if its a ms contin or mst continus a short acting tablet may in a non tolerant user but very unlikely. Thing about morphine is not the fact its not that strong it is a strong opiate but its weak when used orally doctors think its stronger than it actually is. i asmue its not metabolised very well.snorting morphine is better requires less than oral use IMO. Via iv injection a dose of 15mg would be approx 3 times stronger than instant release oral forms. personally i love morphine but dont like the very high doses i need to get a high of it. I have taken in excess of 8 200 mg uk mst continus tablets orally before in one go and i chewed up 3 of them and i didnt get that much of the 1.6g of oral morphine idd say 500mg iv'd wud of been stronger but am not keen on injecting tablets personally even thou they are 66% pure morphine in weight the uk 200mg tablets. Ihave 0.01 scales and they way exactly 300mg in total so thats how i know they are 66% pure. but die from eating a 15mg tablet no wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy only way that would happen is if they was taking benzos n alcohol on top and wasnt used to any of those drugs.
 
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a 15 mg morphine tablet would not even produce any euphoria at all really especially if its a ms contin or mst continus a short acting tablet may in a non tolerant user but very unlikely. Thing about morphine is not the fact its not that strong it is a strong opiate but its weak when used orally doctors think its stronger than it actually is. i asmue its not metabolised very well.snorting morphine is better requires less than oral use IMO. Via iv injection a dose of 15mg would be approx 3 times stronger than instant release oral forms. personally i love morphine but dont like the very high doses i need to get a high of it. I have taken in excess of 8 200 mg uk mst continus tablets orally before in one go and i chewed up 3 of them and i didnt get that much of the 1.6g of oral morphine idd say 500mg iv'd wud of been stronger but am not keen on injecting tablets personally even thou they are 66% pure morphine in weight the uk 200mg tablets. Ihave 0.01 scales and they way exactly 300mg in total so thats how i know they are 66% pure. but die from eating a 15mg tablet no wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy only way that would happen is if they was taking benzos n alcohol on top and wasnt used to any of those drugs.
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erm... 8200mg of morphine in one go? uhhhhhhhh................... ive not seen a tolerance quite like that .... ever of course not to say its not possible, but you must have been abusing for an extremely long time! AHH dont worry my bad - as in you took 1600mg morphine. i was gonna say, jesus christ almighty! thats still quite a heavy dose though.

but back on topic i suggest swallowing it, although as mentioned before it will have a lower potency as it is. i'm not too familiar with the US opiates like hydro but from what i've read and researched the 200mg of morphine should be enough for a pleasant buzz but remember orally it will be metabolized slightly differently and not as powerfully as iv/snorting. if it has the gel in it (which i am familiar with) then by no means snort it. i dont really know what the person above is on about as a 200mg time released capsule will have 200mg in it if aquired legally and from a pharmacy. it is extremely difficult to change it from a time release though. what i would do with these is extract all i possibly could from the inside of the tablets and munch it. tastes fowl but i think that it could have possibly broken some of the time releasing binders. i used to take two/three of them at once though and i would get a pretty good buzz. one wont really do that much IF said person has the tolerance you have mentioned. also a 15mg morphine tablet would most definately produce a strong euphoria in someone who had never taken opis before or had abstained for a VERY long period (10 years+ from all ive read and seen). ive found my tolerance has never really decreased and have been clean from opis for about 6-7 months now, i noticed that even if i waited 6 months my tolerance would still be sky high :( but hey, possibly wait until you can acquire some more opis and take or i suppose take it and enjoy the mild buzz :)
 
yes i did mean 8 200 mg tablets not 8200mg lol jus been loking at tablet pics and ive knoticed the 200 mg ms contin tab us version is a different shape to the other strength tablets in the uk they are round and the same shape as the 5mg 10mg 15mg 30 mg 60 mg and 100mg tabs but they are twice as large have weighed a 100mg too and that weighs 150mg so both the 100 and 200's are made with 66% morphine in the tablets minus the lactose too that comes in the other strength tabs. personally i doubt 15mg of morphine would give sum 1 a high orally as ive done 2 10mg diconal tablets before in one go when i had a very low tolerance in prison my friend brought me sum in as a new years eve treat and i didnt get much of those and they are stronger than morphine tablets dose for dose so i have to disagree that somone would get high of 15mg of morphine unless they had been clean for 10 years maybe idd say maybe a mild 120-150mg codeine type buzz yeh
 
I would say just crush that shit and parachute it... the ER morphines are bullshit your friend wont even feel that fucked up
Also you can't Iv those pills I have tried methods for that and they fail.. those morphine pills gell up when they hit water so i wouldn't recommend railing them either.
 
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^ Hi FredTheFish, we don't swim in here (even if you are a fish) as it doesn't protect you at all and just makes your posts hard to read :) I've edited your post, hope that is okay.

Definitely don't bother insufflating morphine unless you have chitosan, it's nasal bioavailability is even lower than it's oral one.
 
I find smaller lines of MS 60s can give you a rush, mind you I was on an oral dose at the time as well as caffeine to potentate the effects.

Just do smaller lines (15mg) every half hour or so your nose doesn't clog up with gel or get chitosan if you wanna rail more.
 
Oxide said:
I'm a little confused here, but pills of any sort are not pure. The active ingredients of the pill are pure, yes. But they are mixed with inactive binders and fillers. Check out the Opiate Pill-Mass thread.
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He is saying that the 200mg morphine weighs 300mg, making it 66% pure. (200 x 100) / 300 = 66.6666667
 
^ Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I was having some trouble yesterday I suppose, it made perfect sense when I re-read it just a minute ago.
 
Sure, orally one needs a much higher dose to feel it but hey, it's not a last resort painkiller and it's not a standard like in some poor African country where morphine is the only opioid available for pain. You want to get rid of your pain with a pill, take hydrocodone or oxycodone. In the US you've got it right sorted out that such drugs are available. In Poland oxycodone is sold at a very high price and it's entered the market not long ago after it had been gone for like 10 years. BTW soldiers get shots so morphine acts almost instantly. ;) But still I guess they waste a lot hitting in muscles 'cause it's easier on a battlefield than looking for a vein. Nothing is an absolute miracle, well, morphine's not either both in terms of pain and drug preference but actually so many times trials showed than addicts feel no difference between heroin and morphine but then again it's getting really off-topic...

Morphine is better when you need to manage your pain quickly so a single dose is injected or a machine giving it slower is used (like for these patients who are going to die and there's no help for them and they've got some fixed dose per hour). Also, morphine, when given orally, is mostly used in extended release form so it really counteracts pain and its levels get higher with repeated doses. I don't know how it works for some severe pain like cancer. It definitely numbed me back in the day when I could still get something from i.v.'ing reasonable doses, but now 200mg of morphine sulphate would have to go straight to my bloodstream so I could feel it. Still, one person will get better results from morphine, the other from e.g. buprenorphine, and do notice that oxycodone is not given to such patients i.v. that often, at least I haven't seen it, even in the UK and hey, they've got diamorphine hydrochloride here ;).

If I still did opioids and didn't control my addiction with methadone, well, if I still shoot up such drugs (well I've broken recently and had a short binge on levorphanol and dihydroheterocodeine but it's nothing to what I've been through so I'm easily on methadone again), I would choose morphine anytime over heroin or oxycodone, or even hydromorphone, or oxymorphone if it was for relatively quick rush. BTW levorphanol is now a great painkiller with a much wider spectrum than regular 4,5-epoxymorphinan, shame there's no short way to it from drotebanol, it'd be easy to synthesize it and maybe it would be marketed again. Lasts long and beats everything with its additive NMDA blocking properties, some sigma agonism, and SNRI activity.
 
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Don't snort Morphine, it has a lower bioavailability then oral. Morphine & Hydrocodone are equipotent but considering Morphine's terrible bioavailability and the fact its sustained release (200mg are extended) makes the hydrocodone more potent mg to mg. If your friend can handle 130mg of hydrocodone then roughly 200mg should be fine.
 
hey guys I seem to have a very high tolerence to opiates. I am perscribed 240 mg roxycodone and 75 mcg fentanyl patch daily and well euphoria is gone. I have had gotten rid of my roxy this month for other reasons and was given a bottle of 30 mg morphine sulfate instant release and I am looking to get rid of the pain and possibly some euphoria. Does anyone have any suggestions with what I have said I am perscribed on how much of the MSIR I should take?
 
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