When is it safe to fall asleep/nod off on oxy?

[bluntedskier]

I never became even slightly big into opiates, only dabbling with them in tiny amounts (as I had no tolerance) here and there. However, a change in things, and mostly some intensive surgery... changed this slightly, and I started to finally understand why OCs are so popular. Luckily I ended the recovery of the surgery not addicted, but found that for myself oxy was an aquired taste... and so even after my perscriptions ended, I found myself grabbing a couple 30s here and there. Still not productive enough of a drug or worth the addiction for me (or ridiculous price)... but quite a nice treat.

Anyways, (opiate abusers laugh all you want..) the idea of blowing a quarter of a 30mg Roxi used to be a bit intimidating... just as a sense for where I was at. I could make a single 30 last me at least 2 days.

Now (typical story), I find myself able to finish a full pill pretty easily within several hours, usually just blow a half, and then another a bit later on. Or eat half blow half. Got a handful for free, ended up doing as much as 60mg yesterday which seems crazy for myself.

I never understood the whole "nod" thing? I still don't.... now that my tolerance is not quite as ridiculously low, and these select days I have been doing larger amounts - it has come with a tiredness most of the time, that gets pretty intense. At first I'll get a great deal of energy and all the things I like about Oxy for 30-45 minutes (from insuffaltating), but then followed by a debilitating crash of its own.

Even as I type this now (finished my last roxi this afternoon), I find myself suddenly eyes shut leaning over my table, before I catch myself and snap back to it. Been fighting it for a while now and it's gotten better... but it can be really overwhelming. I FUCKING hate the feeling... the blurred, multi-vision of trying to resist, and the unnatural crushing fatigue.. is this what you guys have coined as "nodding?" Cause if so, IMO, that is absolutely retarded. How could anyone actually enjoy that feeling? Why would you want to be passing out, half awake, feeling like you are going to stop breathing, leaning over yourself looking like... well .. very fucked up.. haha. ??

I mean each to his own, but unless I'm being a fool and got this all wrong I just don't understand. Love the positive, euphoric, unique energizing, creative, friendly, calming, properties that I have seen oxy, hydrocdone, and even codeine provide at times. Just cannot see why, once again, anyone would actually sought after the whole being in a temporary sedative coma from these drugs..... I like the feeling of getting things done, working with creative media to earn lots of money and satisfaction, having sex, feeling a huge relief after the occasional day of being all "thizzed" out on adderall/vyvanse, or after lapping the [terrain] park all day skiing throwing down on rails and jumps... not feeling all fucked up.

O.K sorry I am just high, and to my actual question/point. (I wasn't trying to hate on anyone, just my opinion!) .

These what I presume to be "nodding" effects of taking enough Oxy... not only do I not like them, but they really fucking scare me. Haha call me a little girl, but I hate doing OCs at night for example, because when it becomes time to call it and go to bed, I freak myself out and don't trust myself falling asleep and keeping up my breathing/heartrate. Soo all these times, if I'm with a beezy, I'll make her give me dome, or just fuck, and then usually by then I will feel good to sleep, but if that's not an option... I'll end up staying up wayy later than I would ever want to, reading, watching shit on ipad, writing / working on stuff, watching tv etc.

And I am sure that I would of been absolutely fine all these times just going to godamn sleep, but still, it's not how I am about things. Also, I take 3mg of Klonapin a day perscribed (I have an exremely high tolerance though, used to be on 6mg of xanax per day for 1.5 years), so I think that must have a slight interaction.


Luckily, I don't have a phsyical addiction to this stuff... and so I don't plan on getting anymore for a while, unless they kind of come to me for free again. But next time I am back with my blues, how do I know if I am all good in terms of respitory depression, taking too much...etc?

If I get hit hard by that extreme fatique/"nodding" is it okay to just go with it, lie down and take a nap? Cause it doesn't feel right at all. Feels like I am going to never wake up...

I guess that's all I'm attempting to vaguely ask about OCs. They seem like such a "finicky" drug - from the difference in highs one time to another, to how dangerous/safe they are and what dosages/tolerances...

Cause I think any of you who aren't a causious pussy like me with a (relatively) low tolerance, would get a good laugh out of watching me, chink-eyed, trying despretely to fight off this "nod", at the expresso machine last night... making and lining up four dank expressos and downing them like shots, with a little adderall powder to go ontop of the last one.... haha.

Okay hate away, sorry for the long post.. I did intend to just ask a simple question. Thanks.

 

[Jabberwocky]

i think that the huge nod most likely comes from the benzos that you are taking, but then again as you have little to no tolerance to the oxy you could actually be taking a relatively dangerous dose especially mixed with the benzos. either drop the dose of the oxy, or have you tried using caffeine? maybe like 40-50mg of it. i know i definately nod extremely hard when i mix opiates with benzos/antihistamines and it is a little frightening when it becomes too intense. i have fallen asleep many times on the nod and have woken up but thats not to say you will seeing as youre putting your body under a lot of stress and this is a dangerous combo of drugs regardless of a tolerance to either, if you have a tolerance to one, it doesnt mean that the other wont affect you as strongly as what seems to be the case here. i dont really advise it but when i was at my peak of addiction i would take a stimulant to keep me awake i dont recommend it though as it could lead to more problemsi was taking morphine IV and oramorph mixed with a lot of DHC and some xanax thrown in with bromazepam too. i had a high tolerance to both however as i started using them seperately. i would always readjust my dosage of BOTH drugs when using this combo and if i didnt i would find myself struggling to breathe. sometimes i would find it hard to breathe on morphine alone and taking them both at the same time has led to an a&e visit as i passed out from not breathing and had no idea i wasnt.

oxy is usually not such a nodder either... could you reduce your benzo intake when you choose to take an oxy ?

 

[bluntedskier]

oxy is usually not such a nodder either... could you reduce your benzo intake when you choose to take an oxy ?

Yeah, that's the problem... I have like I am even a bit concerned right now because I still feel so fucked up from doing one 30 today. And that was quite a few hours ago, well half in the morning and half in in the afternoon...... And I have only had 1 and 1/2 mg of the klonapin.

But because I AM very much phsyically addicted to benzos (it sucks terribily, my taper from 6mg of xanax to this was a big acomplishment so far... and all of it lies on this fucking stupid psychatrist, I never ever abused or thought benzos had any recreational value...) , sooo when I take an opiate, which I don't really have much of a tolerance to, I think it covers it up pretty well, as in like masks the feeling for the normal need of taking my daily dosage. But then at the end of the day, my body is still going to start W/Ding / feeling those negative effects from not having the amount of benzos it is used to... no amount of opiates can make up for that.

So even right now, while the last thing I want to do is sedate myself more.... I think I really have to take at least half a klonapin because I am not feeling too good right now.

Also, for various reasons, I got like 2.5 hours of sleep last night, which obviously is contributing to all of this today in a large way

I think I will have to just resort to some kind of stimulant until I feel really legit to go to bed...... ironically I just got rid of the last of the adderall I had... and caffeine does not seem to do much.

I could drive a bit to get vyvanse but would rather not cause it's out of the way across the city for this late already.

but ill see. I am def not someone u would consider to be a big druggie overall (at least on bluelight) but second year of college.... I just was plain stupid and made some bad , impulsive decisions and woke up in the ICU after almost dying from respitory despression (alcohol and benzos with no tolerance at the time to benzos..) . So i guess it is a trauma that naturally has stuck with me, and gotta do what i have to do to feel safe

 

[Jabberwocky]

Yeah, that's the problem... I have like I am even a bit concerned right now because I still feel so fucked up from doing one 30 today. And that was quite a few hours ago, well half in the morning and half in in the afternoon...... And I have only had 1 and 1/2 mg of the klonapin.

But because I AM very much phsyically addicted to benzos (it sucks terribily, my taper from 6mg of xanax to this was a big acomplishment so far... and all of it lies on this fucking stupid psychatrist, I never ever abused or thought benzos had any recreational value...) , sooo when I take an opiate, which I don't really have much of a tolerance to, I think it covers it up pretty well, as in like masks the feeling for the normal need of taking my daily dosage. But then at the end of the day, my body is still going to start W/Ding / feeling those negative effects from not having the amount of benzos it is used to... no amount of opiates can make up for that.

So even right now, while the last thing I want to do is sedate myself more.... I think I really have to take at least half a klonapin because I am not feeling too good right now.

Also, for various reasons, I got like 2.5 hours of sleep last night, which obviously is contributing to all of this today in a large way

yes this is what i am concerned about the benzos are effectively building up as well in your body which is now having oxy put into it, it allows the respirator system to relax further. and this is another problem with a dependance on benzos you CANNOT stop taking them like that. you could have a seizure. have you looked into using other things such as pregabalin to attempt to cut back the benzo usage? or could you possibly continue to taper the benzos? i think that you should immediately take a half of the klo as long as the effects of the opiate has worn off slightly (this is if you havent taken your benzo today) this is areally dangerous mix. exercise a lot of caution if i were you i would not temper with the oxy until you can lower your benzo dosage. or even split the 30 into 4 and take the quater instead. oxy is a powerful drug.

 

[Alex000]

I have read all of the post, and I must say I am interested. You are refering to the nod as "unnatural crushing fatigue" and a "debilitating crash". You clearly are not into it, that is obvious, but most people like it, and some are "okay" with it, though it is very odd to hear you very much dislike it. It is interesting though, that you said you were really never into opiates before using them for pain management, and you said they were an accquired taste. I know there are some people who don't like opiates, and I'd agree they are an accquired taste. I liked them from the first time I did them, but I LOVE them now. My guess is that you aren't really an opiate person, and you aren't accepting the nod for what it is and enjoying it. It is very different. In a nod you are half-awake, going back and forth in and out, vivid imagery, inability to do much of anything (unless you pull yourself out of the nod). Usually there is a great euphoria accompanying the nod that you may not perceive. Opiates are very unique, and on of their unique effects is the nod. Now, hearing what you have said, I advise you to cut your oxy dose down a bit. Oxycodone is one of the more stimulating opiates, and though a nod is not uncommon, it usually doesn't occur in the beginning. Nods are known to come later, after the rush, energy and initial euphoria with pretty much any opiate, however, they can be induced almost immediately. But yeah, try a lower dose of oxy, see how that goes, you might get more of the effect you want. I think maybe because you aren't an opiate person to begin with you use more than you need to for a good high, and thus induce a premature, and stronger nod. I wouldn't torture yourself by cutting your Klonipin dose, that would just fuck up the oxy high. Be careful, though, about too much oxy, and give a lower dose a chance a few times, try to get an accquired taste to a lower dose.

 

[LilbabiC]

I just don't understand: if you dislike the feeling and are afraid you will not wake up after the nod, and further more are not addicted then why take the oxy's at all?

 

[effie]

Nodding is subjective and can mean different things to different people, but Alex00 explained it well.. Some love the slipping out of consciousness for a short while then coming back and find it a positive experience; others don't, as you have found out!

Your breathing is naturally more shallow during sleep so in theory there is a higher risk of hypoxia following respiratry depression while you are asleep, but if you don't get respiratory depression off your normal dose then you're not going to suddenly start gettig it while you are asleep - it doesn't work that way. We breathe and our heart beats automatically and will continue to do so while asleep! So try not to let that worry you (unless you do get a degree of respiratory depression from your dose, in which case I would lower it). Clonazepam certainly could accumulate and benzos do increase the risk, but if you have been on this dose long-term your blood levels should have slabilised by now.

Having said all that, we can't promise that you will be okay and if you were concerned i would advise not taking any oxy close to bedtime. It sounds like you need to address your sleep pattern in general, so you are not tired in the day, and maybe to try a little caffine (cup of coffee/tea) when you feel like dozing off - not too close to bed time though or it will worsen your sleep problems hugely!

Good luck

 

[unsettled]

I take the same amount of klonopin daily, actually a little less these days, but I know what you are talking about. I think you are experiencing anxiety and this is preventing you from experiencing the euphoria of the nod. You'll know when you're nodding because you'll feel like your whole body is having an orgasm and you'll have all kinds of dream images running through your head. For me it's an inbetween state of consciousness that is very enjoyable.

At the height of my opiate use I was using heroin daily and was very tolerant to it but I would notice if I didn't have enough klonopin in my system and I would be more anxious. Opiates and Benzos are a slippery slope to begin with and it's good that you are being cautious. You might try a stimulant with your oxy if you decide to keep using. Not everyone enjoys nodding but you'll know when you are nodding "correctly" because it'll feel so damn good that you won't want to do anything else.

Be careful.

 

[ms4104]

I actually read your whole post and am still at a loss. What are you trying to ask us? How is it possible we can enjoy a nod???? That was a pretty long "question" you wrote haha.

 

[JackiesBabyy]

Oxy wasn't an acquired taste for me, more like love at first sight. (or love at first percocet 10 pill)

 

[effie]

^I think a lot of people would agree with you! Where as others take a bit longer to enjoy opioids and some people never really like them..

I think pretty much everything has been said on this topic now and it's likely to veer into a subjective debate about who likes oxy/opioids/nodding and who doesnt, so i'm going to close it. If anyone has any queries feel free to shoot me a pm