guy mixes ketamine and then cooks it - someone enlighten me?

[rollinboobs]

so my friend raps and his producer does a lot of ketamine. my boy doesn't know much about k but i told him to get us some and we'll try it. first off it looked very flaky and slightly crystally which I've seen it like that before. but one thing that i didn't like about it was that it was very very sticky like it would stick to the key and the glass jar. but another time i got different shit from some dude and the shit was straight up crystals that sounded like a shaker when i shook the bag and it was really strong, any comments on the different consistencies of k?

anyways so after trying it i noticed i had to do a little more than i usually do with k. usually i can do a line the size of about two key bumps and be feeling nice n wavvy. but this stuff i found myself doing lines the size of like 4 key bumps or more like cocaine sized lines. my past experiences with k our lines were much smaller. but i still enjoyed the stuff.

so then i asked my buddy how the guy made it because he said that he put it in the microwave. i figured that the guy just put the liquid on a tray and evaporated it. but my friend said that he had a big bag of powder which he took out some for us and weighed it out to 1.7g, then he got a liquid from the fridge in a tub and poured like 5ml or 50ml onto the powder and mixed it in. then he poured the mixture onto the plate and cooked it in the microwave and proceeded to scrape the stuff off.

i was under the impression k did not need to be mixed? btw my friend said that whatever powder was in the bag they cared a lot about it because there was a hole in the bag and they were flipping out some fell out. my friend doesn't know anything about k so he didn't question anything his dude was doing. but like i said i thought the guy just had liquid k and evaporated it...

can anyone shed some light on what this guy might have been doing?

 

[bluedolphin]

Who knows... I've known people to recook Ketamine but I don't see the point unless you want different size/shape crystals.

Sounds like that powdery shit is cut .. either that or it's cooked up from liquid in the first place and just not that strong for whatever reason.

Some of the best K I've had was crystals, some of the best K I've also had was powder. It just depends how pure it is.

If your friends consider 1.7 grams to be a "big bag" and are recooking the shit, I'm sure they have no idea what they are doing.

 

[rollinboobs]

Who knows... I've known people to recook Ketamine but I don't see the point unless you want different size/shape crystals.

Sounds like that powdery shit is cut .. either that or it's cooked up from liquid in the first place and just not that strong for whatever reason.

Some of the best K I've had was crystals, some of the best K I've also had was powder. It just depends how pure it is.

If your friends consider 1.7 grams to be a "big bag" and are recooking the shit, I'm sure they have no idea what they are doing.

no i mean that the guy took out 1.7g out for us of the big bag which my friend said looked like about a quarter oz.

 

[sml-la]

Sounds like your dude is just cutting it. The best I can figure, he's putting 1.7g of filler/binder on a plate, then dropping 5ml (which should be about 500mg of Ketamine, maybe even more by weight just because of the residual stuff that gets left behind along with the Ketamine) onto the binder and cooking it, so you have 500mg of Ketamine in a 2.2g powder. This sounds about right with how you've described it's potency. Have you ever cooked Ketamine yourself? I've never tried street market Ketamine, as I had a vet-connect for a couple of years (DEA popped her earlier this year :[ ), so I don't know how potent the stuff you've done previously is. 50mg should produce the wavy effect you describe. In the case here though, you'd snort 220mg (which is probably a coke-sized line) to feel wavy. Sounds like a good financial/safety precaution from the dealer, but it would be awful to have to snort like 700mg to get a decent hole. Does this make sense?

 

[Darksidesam]

Dude is cutting it

OR

perhaps the k is damp, Try letting the amount you want to do dry out for a bit before doing it? (Apparantly it effects absorbtion ?)

 

[rollinboobs]

Sounds like your dude is just cutting it. The best I can figure, he's putting 1.7g of filler/binder on a plate, then dropping 5ml (which should be about 500mg of Ketamine, maybe even more by weight just because of the residual stuff that gets left behind along with the Ketamine) onto the binder and cooking it, so you have 500mg of Ketamine in a 2.2g powder. This sounds about right with how you've described it's potency. Have you ever cooked Ketamine yourself? I've never tried street market Ketamine, as I had a vet-connect for a couple of years (DEA popped her earlier this year :[ ), so I don't know how potent the stuff you've done previously is. 50mg should produce the wavy effect you describe. In the case here though, you'd snort 220mg (which is probably a coke-sized line) to feel wavy. Sounds like a good financial/safety precaution from the dealer, but it would be awful to have to snort like 700mg to get a decent hole. Does this make sense?

yeah but why would he be so concerned about the substance leaking out of the bag? my friend said the dude and his friend were bugging out that some had fallen out of the hole in the bag. i can't see them being that concerned about a filler...and my friend said the liquid was in the fridge. is it normal practice to keep liquid k in the fridge? also the we payed for 1.7g of k. and the dude weighed out 1.7 of the powder (my friend didn't see the exact constancy of the substance, just that it was a bag with white in it) and then took that 1.7g and mixed it with a liquid then cooked it.

also i believe i have done very good k before because like i said the last stuff i got looked like glass shards that would sound like a shaker if i shook the bag. it was not flakey or anything. and this shit would hit me hard with only a small line about 2 key bumps worth. iv never been in a k hole nor want to, i just like feeling real wavy and that trippy feel you get from k. but yeah this k wasn't as strong as iv had it before. like i said usually i do tiny little lines the size of two key bumps of k, but with this stuff i was doing like the size of a small cocaine line like 1 1/4" long and maybe 1/8" thick (just a rough estimate)

 

[Solipsis]

Yes seems like it's cut, particularly with something that attracts water from the air (hygroscopic). It could be the salt in medical K especially if it's dried/cooked hastily, but the salt in it is only mildly hygroscopic. Still, people put things like rice kernels in their tablesalt to prevent it forming clumps with the water in the air.

But the fact that he mixes two things together could only serve the function of cutting it so that lines can be snorted instead of bumps. Some people are just used to snorting entire lines of speed or ketamine so if you would present people who are used to that with pure product they are likely to overdose because they think small bumps couldn't possibly be enough.

So yeah whatever there is put in it (we do not allow identification threads) the consequence is that you know different batches with different potencies.

I don't know what else you would like to have discussed in this thread. I mean sorry it's not as good as the shards you had earlier but there isn't much to talk about.

 

[rollinboobs]

Yes seems like it's cut, particularly with something that attracts water from the air (hygroscopic). It could be the salt in medical K especially if it's dried/cooked hastily, but the salt in it is only mildly hygroscopic. Still, people put things like rice kernels in their tablesalt to prevent it forming clumps with the water in the air.

But the fact that he mixes two things together could only serve the function of cutting it so that lines can be snorted instead of bumps. Some people are just used to snorting entire lines of speed or ketamine so if you would present people who are used to that with pure product they are likely to overdose because they think small bumps couldn't possibly be enough.

So yeah whatever there is put in it (we do not allow identification threads) the consequence is that you know different batches with different potencies.

I don't know what else you would like to have discussed in this thread. I mean sorry it's not as good as the shards you had earlier but there isn't much to talk about.

i was just wondering if anyone could explain what might be happening with what he is mixing. and if the powder was the pure k and the liquid was something else? idk i figured maybe someone would know a lot about methods of preparing k and maybe based off my description could explain it to me. it seems that it could be a number of possibilities though, but i just wanted to try and see if i could get an explanation.

also, if it means anything the dude who cooked it also snorted the same batch we bought in front of my friend, and he made it right in front of my friend (the cook is my friends producer) so its not like he was trying to hide anything or sneakily cut it...

 

[bluedolphin]

Who knows why this dude is cutting it. At least you know it's not a cut that's likely harmful if the dude is doing it right in front of you.

There's not a lot of pure Ketamine going around compared to several years ago, I'd say if you think Ketamine is worth using to get used to shit like this.

Otherwise try some MXE if you're like me and a lot of other people you'll never want to use Ket again anyway.

 

[rollinboobs]

Who knows why this dude is cutting it. At least you know it's not a cut that's likely harmful if the dude is doing it right in front of you.

There's not a lot of pure Ketamine going around compared to several years ago, I'd say if you think Ketamine is worth using to get used to shit like this.

Otherwise try some MXE if you're like me and a lot of other people you'll never want to use Ket again anyway.

yeah exactly. i don't have a problem doing this k. its not the strongest but its still pretty good. i just wanted to know exactly what was going on with it but o well.

so hows the MXE experience compared to the ket? also does MXE still share the same damage as K as far as bladder goes and such?

 

[Jesusgreen]

I'd say it's more likely the liquid was Ketamine since that's one method of cooking it, as for what the powder was.. Well, maybe for example he just had 1.7g extra in the amount he needed in the bag? Say he was planning to sell 50g, and had 51.7g, then he could take 1.7g out of the bag but have to cook up some more to give you the rest. (He could have just taken more from the bag and cooked up more later but that involves more thinking)

I'm not sure, sounds weird and dodgy to me. We can't offer any ID help, but my best advice is: when in doubt, don't use that dealer again.

 

[rollinboobs]

I'd say it's more likely the liquid was Ketamine since that's one method of cooking it, as for what the powder was.. Well, maybe for example he just had 1.7g extra in the amount he needed in the bag? Say he was planning to sell 50g, and had 51.7g, then he could take 1.7g out of the bag but have to cook up some more to give you the rest. (He could have just taken more from the bag and cooked up more later but that involves more thinking)

I'm not sure, sounds weird and dodgy to me. We can't offer any ID help, but my best advice is: when in doubt, don't use that dealer again.

yeah true. it just doenst make sense to me why they would care so much about the powder. also we payed for 1.7g of k so why would he way 1.7g of filler? I'm thinking maybe he had pure k in the bag and dissolved it in a solution or something idk...

 

[Limpet_Chicken]

MXE is by far more potent than ket by weight, which will reduce the levels of nor-ketamine that end up in the body, which is AFAIK, the metabolite responsible for bladder problems. I've done a lot of MXE, probably more than I should have, and whilst I have kept a close eye out for any signs of bladder irritation or cystitis I have never noticed any.

 

[rollinboobs]

whats the mxe experience like? how does it compare to k?

 

[Bi0hazardOpeth]

Rollinboobs,

Here is some information that will be helpful. First off, I want to point out the high susceptibility for abuse and addiction around MXE, even more than Ket given that it also influences opioid and Dopamine (Meth) receptors. You should absolutely read the posts by other users on the MXE Addiction thread and see if you are the type of person who could fall into such a hole, life ruining cycles as easily as many people there, prior to deciding to do it. Not that everyone who does it will turn out like that, but it has been disastrous for many people in similarly horrific ways. Just a forewarning.

!!! MXE (Methoxetamine Addiction) Subthread (Very Important)
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/580334-Methoxetamine-Subthread-Addiction

And in relation to your previous question:

Ketamine Vs. Methoxetamine (mxe) Thread
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/576367-ketamine-v-methoxetamine(mxe)

Regards,

Bi0hazard

 

[foolsgold]

i just want to say with the mxe it will lose its mystical heavenly side to it and when it does watch out really i went from it being a god send setting me up in a happy place to heart problems on the comedown and suicidal darkness hanging over me the last two times

 

[Jesusgreen]

^ Just FYI. Ketamine is also a dopamine reuptake inhibitor and also interacts with mu-opioid receptors. It's suspected, from the subjective effects, that MXE does both to a much greater extent, but yes it's worth mentioning that these are unique to MXE.

 

[bluedolphin]

i just want to say with the mxe it will lose its mystical heavenly side to it and when it does watch out really i went from it being a god send setting me up in a happy place to heart problems on the comedown and suicidal darkness hanging over me the last two times

Please elaborate regarding heart problems.