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2C-B Gave me EXACTLY INDENTICAL VISUALS as LSD. How is that possible?

proxopata

proxopata

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Hi guys, to cut the long story short.

about month ago i dropped 2 hits of LSD, it wasn't extremely potent, however the visuals were very nice. Among other visuals, all the time I was seeing
a green dragon. However, it wasnt scary, it was fun and cute, like a baby dragon with big manga-like eyes. OEV

Yesterday I dropped 36mgs of 2C-B. At first I wasn't very impressed with the effects. However at T+ 1.30 I smoked a bowl of weed, lit some incense sticks, and went to the same room in which I was trippin on acid a month ago. After a while, visuals got really strong I was lying in half dark room, all the surrounding space became green and started glowing.

And then It happened. The 'acid dragon' returned. I could see EXACTLY the same animated visuals (also OEVS) as on my acid trip.

Another interesting thing was that I could see EXACTLY the same visuals with my eyes closed CEV.

I just couldn't believe that 2C-b can cause SO STRONG visuals, I tried it in smaller doses and all it did was minor shifting of colours and slight breathing effect.

My question: HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT 2 DIFFERENT SUBSTANCES PRODUCED IDENTICAL VISUALS? Do you think visuals can be place-related ? I mean they depend on the place you are tripping in?

Do you also tend to have CEVS identical to OEVS?

peace
 
Same receptors being toyed with.

I too have had visions of dragons that wound up being a recurring theme for a while. It was my psychedelic chasing of the dragon.
 
It is worth noting that there is something called setting-based tolerance, which is normally deemed a pretty physical property. But with mental aspects setting can be just as important or even more so.
Another thing worth noting is that flashbacks involve reliving a previous experience by the trigger of environmental (setting incl. place) related factors. And they are often not a horrible experience at all. That they are by definition terrible is a myth, at least generally speaking. Flashbacks for war veterans are usually horrible indeed which is not strange if you think about it. But your acid experience was not bad, at least nothing makes it sound like that.
So yes the 2C-B plus the same place that may have subconsciously reminded you of the acid experience may have triggered a very similar experience. It doesn't sound that strange at all to me.

Also to have CEVs that are the same as OEVs is quite common. I have had numerous experiences where it did not matter whether I closed my eyes or not. If this grows more intense I forget about the relevance of my eyes altogether and feel like I am envisioning it all with my mind's eye. More like a dream, experiencing than looking and seeing.

And 36 mg of 2C-B is not a small dose. I have gotten used to such doses by now but in general such a dose combined with weed should indeed be quite capable of producing strong visuals. I think 2C-B has a lot of potential for visuals, also for getting in touch with deeper feelings, also quite delicate and sensitive ones... but rationally I don't find 2C-B to go very deep. It is hardly ever cosmic for me. But don't make the mistake of thinking that it cannot ever do that. My friend has experienced strong dissociation and ego death at about 25 mg.

So all in all, it sounds like you had a natural reaction. It does not happen all the time to get absolutely identical visuals or experiences but recurrences like that are well within the realm of possibility with psychedelics. After all they have a common basis of action, namely they work on the specific type of serotonin receptor in the brain called 5-HT2A.
 
These kinds of visions could be behind why many indigenous cultures believed in things such as "spirit animals" - if you're seeing something over and over again, it probably has some particular significance to you. Things that are in your subconscious can easily manifest in dreams, or in trips, so to see the same image with two different substances is not unusual at all - particularly as some people find the visuals from the 2C-* class to be similar to LSD in some ways anyway.

2C-B can be just as strong, visual, and interesting as any other psychedelic when you push the dose :)
 
LOL

Years ago a ladyfriend of mine - who was in college like me - admitted to only recently have found out that dragons in fact do NOT exist in China (nor anywhere else for that matter, ever). She also thought that if you go in a carwash, to rinse the car at the end it is momentarily dipped into a huge pool of water and brought back up. ?! 8(
I mean, I have eaten a shitload of acid in my time, and then some. But that girl has some wiring crossed.
 
Ah, but what about komodo dragons, hmmm?

Lol @ her naive outlook on life in general though. I don't know if I would have found it scary or adorable
 
^ The things we find adorable in children we find horrifying in adults. I suppose by this time, we expect them to know better, and the non-fulfillment of this is the horrifying part.
 
he also thought that if you go in a carwash, to rinse the car at the end it is momentarily dipped into a huge pool of water and brought back up. ?!
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Is it bad that I always thought that too?

At least I only thought that while I was a kid though rofl :D
 
Mate girls say stuff like that just to make you laugh and think they cute
 
proxopata said:
Do you think visuals can be place-related ? I mean they depend on the place you are tripping in?
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Yes of course!

Do you also tend to have CEVS identical to OEVS?
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No. :) On mushrooms and LSD, my OEVs are primarily uncontrollable color enhancement, warping, "melting" etc, while CEVs will become completely immersive visionary experiences (astral projection, out of body, dream sequence).

On 2C-X, my OEVs tend to be more malleable (ie, i can direct the vision) where I can move the clouds to my whim, etc; I remember petting my cat and suddenly the whole room was made of soft, warm fluffy cat fur. CEVs for 2C-X will be typically laser-light show or abstract spinning colors, synaesthesia, etc... not much "time and place vision" as tryptamines do for me.

Damn I really want to bust out the mushrooms again.
 
oxmo said:
Ah, but what about komodo dragons, hmmm?
Lol @ her naive outlook on life in general though. I don't know if I would have found it scary or adorable
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No we're talking actual fire-breathing dragons. She probably misunderstood her father who fed her all sorts of nonsense. And you're spot on about the scary and adorable mix. We went on one date but nothing really happened. She was cute but a lot about her (like her dorm interior and body) were just too childish. And she could be absolutely psycho. Freaked me the hell out!

gymstud said:
Mate girls say stuff like that just to make you laugh and think they cute
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We hung around quite a bit, there is absolutely no way you pretend to be that naive 100% of the time. If you think an act like that is cute, and if you are able to keep it up without a pause I think you got a screw loose either way.

Anyway I am quite aware that I am a total deviant myself and I've got the varied comorbid diagnoses to prove it, but I do treat people right and the only times I scared people with my mental behavior I was raging on a dubious acid combo or something like that (like one multi-day blackout with alprazolam).

I'm not here to judge her, I would just have a hard time getting romantic with someone who lives in a child's fantasy world without the ability to be an adult if it's necessary. That's the important part. Plus she could suddenly be explosively vicious which, take it from me, is terrifying coming from a girly girl who still likes to be a little princess the rest of the time.

I think that's an interesting topic of discussion by the way: psychedelics can make us feel magical and wondrous again like a child which is a beautiful thing to behold, and I have read about a lot of anecdotes about would-be guru's in the orient and elsewhere who are both wise as well as playful like a child. I say never lose that original innocence and plasticity, but still: be realistic about the world otherwise you are just deluding yourself.

Sorry to hijack the thread by the way, but I'm not sure there are questions to be answered which would be especially helpful to your OP's premises.

Everyone's welcome to though.
 
Solipsis said:
I think 2C-B has a lot of potential for visuals, also for getting in touch with deeper feelings, also quite delicate and sensitive ones...
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At 25mg in the setting of my summertime garden, lying on the grass under the sky, beside my trees and wild flowers with prayer flags billowing in the breeze, I felt deeply touched by one 2-cb experience....so with nature and feeling very connected to everything alive and pulsating. Visually linked to the life of it all, molecule by molecule. It's the only time this has happened to me with 2c-b.

Solipsis said:
I think that's an interesting topic of discussion by the way: psychedelics can make us feel magical and wondrous again like a child which is a beautiful thing to behold, and I have read about a lot of anecdotes about would-be guru's in the orient and elsewhere who are both wise as well as playful like a child. I say never lose that original innocence and plasticity, but still: be realistic about the world otherwise you are just deluding yourself.
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Agree, I am child again, full of energy and curiosity on a "good" trip.


Set and setting all the way :)
 
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