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All I have to say about women.

Jblazingphoenix100 said:
they're not silly mind games(mostly)...
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i'll agree to disagree.

if you second-guess a response and adjust your behaviour to try to anticipate a response you are playing games. to me, that doesn't seem like a very healthy way to start any relationship - whether it's a short-term encounter or something longer term. mileage obviously varies. what does it say about somebody if they have to put up a front to get what they want? draw your own conclusions.

further, i find that any 'golden rule' which begins "all women..." or "no women..." is too general to be of much practical use.

what's so challenging about being yourself and treating a woman like the unique person she is rather than some idealized clone?
Jblazingphoenix100 said:
is sure of himself
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none of these techniques sound like the behaviour of somebody who is sure of himself, to me.

alasdair
 
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Jblazingphoenix100 said:
they're not silly mind games(mostly) ^ they're about taking the power back, which we should already have in the first place...also not seeming too needy, and acting like a bitch(in this context, bitch does not = female)...

No girl wants a bitch, they want a guy who supports them, listens to them but doesn't offer up solutions without being asked(generally), makes them feel sexy, safe & secure, a dude who can make them laugh, is sure of himself, and can make her cum like a fucking fountain, etc blah blah blah.
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Taking the power back? Where has the power gone and why do we need to engage in power struggles? We don't need to regress back in time but we can certainly redefine masculinity/femininity in a way that actually makes sense. Perhaps less dichotomous and more based on our actual selves rather than what we are told to be. Or we can continue to allow culture to decide who we should be and how we should act.

Some people may want a "bitch"
Some people may want an "asshole"
Some people may want a "nice guy"

Etc, etc, etc.
 
alasdairm said:
i'll agree to disagree.

if you second-guess a response and adjust your behaviour to try to anticipate a response you are playing games. to me, that doesn't seem like a very healthy way to start any relationship - whether it's a short-term encounter or something longer term. mileage obviously varies. what does it say about somebody if they have to put up a front to get what they want? draw your own conclusions.

further, i find that any 'golden rule' which begins "all women..." or "no women..." is too general to be of much practical use.

what's so challenging about being yourself and treating a woman like the unique person she is rather than some idealized clone?none of these techniques sound like the behaviour of somebody who is sure of himself, to me.

alasdair
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There's no way I can make you realize how confident I am in myself.

So I'll just say it.

I am confident in myself.
 
a blind guy, i have no reason to doubt your opinion of yourself but that's not where my concerns lie.

telling guys that, regardless of their individual personality (and that of the women they seek), all they have to do is be more confident, act like a bit of a dick and tease women constantly is, in my opinion, ill-considered, next to useless and, frankly, childish advice.

alasdair
 
Confidence doesn't come out of thin air. It comes out of finding your niche and embracing it, and having fruitful, in-sync relationships with most people around you because you like where you are in life.
 
I agree with the OP. That's basically how you do it. Of course you can be creative and add a couple of personal twists to the whole thing but it sounds just right to me.
 
Tech Kinetics said:
Does making paper airplanes help more score with hawt chicks?
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I don't know if you know me or you just made that up. I do usually make paper airplanes*, now that I think about it I do it a lot when I'm down town with a girl and I'm handed a brochure of some sort. LMAO

@alasdair: Think of this, you're saying that mind games are not the way to go. Do you really think that women don't do that to us men? I mean flirting is sort of a mind game, you do have to play a few cards and joke around. Women walk around these days showing 90% of their skin, they don't look at you, they play hard to get. Sometimes they would look at you and pretend they weren't. They say yes when they mean no and a very long etcetera. This is not playing mind games (or it rather is), this is the very definition of getting someone to like you. Of course, each person has it's own ways, but that's basically how it's done, or rather how woman do it and we men should learn from them.
Too bad for our gender, for the first time in history women have taken the lead on the battle of the sexes. And if any man here is so naive that they believe that being totally open with a girl and just going "Here's a flower, will you go out with me?" will work out, think it over. She might say yes, she might even make you feel good at first and show you a good time, but as things start moving forward you will realize that your place in that relationship is the one of the lik-er and she's the like-e. And I truly am sorry for having to say this 'cause I'm a huge fan of romeo and juliet but I swear to god, they will use that against you. There is a battle of the sexes, there is a power struggle (it sounds so bad when you put it that way, but it is what it is).
So, if you really like a girl and want her to be with you in some sort of equal/happy-ish relationship, be bitches guys. Don't you dare looking at them. Don't you ever tell someone who is not your girlfriend that you like them. And if anybody knows a better way to do it, feel free to share it with the rest of us!

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*This i would also call mindgames, playing it cool, a little childish even, like you don't care if she thinks your a manchild or whatever. (I'm 20 though)
 
alasdair is totally the man on this thread. I'm gonna back this dude up!
When alasdair says it's childish, he's right about that. That's the perfect way to describe these "mind games." The OP is giving advice for 17 year old suburban idiots who will never come close to anything that resembles a true romance. If that's what you want, then by all means, be a fucking retard!
LOL at the "friendszone"! God, I've heard that so often in pop culture garbage. "itz all about how youz talkz to her yo" like if you make one slip you are doomed to forever be associated in some part of her brain that only recognizes friendship. Another great "scientific" analysis! As long as you aren't gay, unattractive to her, not a dating danger of any sort, and considering that she is not madly in love with someone else, you won't likely stay in this "friendszone," even if you try!

It's not about some sort of "pimp magic" or any other bullshit for real adults. Grow the fuck up and learn what a real relationship is about.
 
MyFinalRest said:
It's not about some sort of "pimp magic" or any other bullshit for real adults. Grow the fuck up and learn what a real relationship is about.
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amen.

max_, my opinion is just that. an opinion. your mileage may vary.

i choose not to play what i see as stupid, childish mind games. i believe in being myself and being true to myself. i have a partner who chose me because of who i am, not because i know the next item in some generic, internet list about 'how to get a girl'. i don't have to lie. i don't have to remember to act a certain way to try to get a certain result.

if nothing else, it's just a whole lot easier :)

alasdair
 
Now here's a semi-serious-pseudo-Confucian bullshit question:


Who's the bigger child: The child, or the child who's afraid of looking like a child?
 
you're making an awful lot of assumptions here, i think. behaving like an adult isn't done only for fear of looking like a child...

alasdair
 
You can do what the op says, be an alpha jock or pretend to be one if you are not, and this will get you pussy for sure.
So what if blind guys tips don't cover all women, it doesn't matter because it covers enough for you to get laid more often.

Nobody is their real selves, in any interaction, with anyone, including their own selves, because "who we really are" is entirely subjective.
(this doesn't mean there is no such thing as putting on an act, it's just more complicated than either "being yourself" or "putting on an act playing games", does anyone here tell a chick as soon as they meet them that they are unemployed drug addicts who masturbate all day to furry porn?)
Full disclosure can come later, in small doses, as yous start to like each other, or if it's just a one nighter then it doesn't matter at all, because one nighters aren't about anything other than two body's enjoying each other.

There are other ways obviously.

I prefer not to pretend to be an alpha, trying to compete with all the other clowns and halfwits who are or pretend to be alphas, but nor does my personality fall into what's known as a beta male.

I am calm, I choose what I want and take it, do it, I keep my wits about me around girls, opiates don't fuck your mental functioning like grog does. I don't seem to do stuff just to impress, even while doing stuff that may be impressive or even risky. I function without a group of friends around me to give me courage. I'm not afraid to just say I want someone, and exactly what I want them to do.
I reckon I fit the omega profile most, though everyone has overlapping characteristics.
Example one important characteristic all men need regardless, is confidence in yourself and your own abilities.
All of the above is not just a way to get chicks, it is the way I live my life.

Even so, while I get sex when I want it, you probably would get more by ignoring what I said, and just pretending to be an alpha like everyone else.
It depends on where your picking up from too of course.
Most girls out clubbing probably just want a good time, they don't want someone deep or intelligent or sensible, they just want a piece of hot skin to ride.
Eh anyway that's just my thoughts, I'm no expert but.
 
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