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Mushrooms + MAOIs...increases body load more than just a larger 'dose' of mushrooms?

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Some people say adding (any number of things that inhibit MAOs) to mushrooms just potentiates the trip (makes it stronger with no added qualitative change). Others, have found that it brings on a distinct 'body load' unpleasantness that has them curled up in a ball for 5-6 hours. Unable to enjoy anything else happening.

Seeing that MAOI effects are found in cigarette smoke, gingko biloba, black tea (etc) ... and that the combination is encouraged by some promoting a more available 'ayahuasca-type' experience, I was curious what your experiences were on this.

Thanks.
:)
 
It Definitely changes the qualitative experience from my experience, not just the intensity. i remember my stomach hurting when i did an eighth with maois, but other than that one instance, i never noticed an increased body load. the visuals and 'journeying of consciousness' take on a Completely different character...i remember things not so much 'squirming around' as with straight mushrooms, but rather this 'brightness' coming over me and leading to full on visions. Vines covered my room, the jungle crept in, and it felt as though we were in a cave. the music sounded soooo far away, you could hear it echoing down the tunnel.

and while straight psilocybin can be comparably intense i will most definitely go against what you heard of it not changing the experience....everyone i partook of the 'psilohuasca' with without a doubt noted qualitative differences.
 
in terms of cigarettes and the other plants you mentioned...those probably won't cut it when it comes to achieving mao inhibition. it takes a certain 'saturation point' for the chemicals to deactivate the enzymes...those plants likely don't have enough maoi property to get you past the veil of maoi-iness :)

i however will point out that i crossed the maoi thresh-hold with passion flower, which is largely disputed in this community. i think me and a friend took a half oz, or an oz (sorry, a big difference i know) and brewed a tea. we blended our mushrooms with some fruit and left it sit in the blender for half an hour or so while we drank our tea...the leftover tea (~1/5 of each of our cups) was then added to the blender and reblended, letting the mushrooms get to know the passion flower. we then smoked a joint of straight passionflower, drank our smoothies, and then smoked a second joint of passionflower just to make sure we'd hit the mao inhibition point...BOOM! the explosion began...the ceiling became a dome of sorts and then the vines came in, and i met some kind of other-dimensional entities...but those details aren't to be elaborated on today...just know it was motherfuckin intense :)
 
I used to get very bad body aches and feelings of 'poison! poison! poison!' radiating through my entire being.
This was with rue and also with .. hmm. so long ago I can't even remember what other MAOi was used.

Also, just in general, w/out MAOi, I noticed that when I was younger, about 17 or 18, I never had any prolonged physical aches.
But the last few times (still many years ago though, say, when I was 28 ) I distinctly remember kind of laying on the floor feeling like shit
...and not able to focus on anything but the unpleasant physical effects on my body.

So--->When I was younger, mushrooms, w/out MAOi, had less 'body load'.
Which just seems weird to me. And maybe the topic for another thread altogether, sorry!

Also---->1) With MAOi seemed to have an adverse reaction for me.
And---->2) Without MAOi also seems to have an adverse reaction, lately.

So, I'm posting here trying to figure it out basically...
Thanks for replying.

:)
 
interesting...lol, you're makin it hard for me to nail down an answering-suggestion for ya.

i was probably 17 or 18 when i was experimenting with the psilohuasca, and i haven't had any since. so i can't really say much in terms of the different effects according to age. like i posted in your other thread though, perhaps diet could be playing a role...either a cloudiness from a 'rough' diet in general producing physical uneasiness...or even, maybe you had some cheese or one of the other no no foods around the time of the maoi intake. hard to say lol
 
It doesn't really potentiate a mushroom trip, what you get is a DMT trip. If you've tried both oral DMT and psilohuasca you'll recognise the DMT.

Oral DMT does cause a little more nausea in some people (syrian rue and caapi are likely to cause nausea all by themselves) but 5-10 drops of essential lemon oil should help a lot with the nausea or eliminate it entirely.

Cig smoke and black tea arn't going to be powerful enough to inhibit MAO. You need either a 300mg tablet of a pharmaceutical MAOI like moclobemide or syrian rue/caapi.
 
i can see that ismene, the trip was very aya-esque. talk about jungle-medicine...there were fucking vines...lol, the jungle came to me it seemed.

i've only partaken of aya once, and it wasn't a breakthough, and only a couple less-than-complete breakthrough smoked dmt experiences, though i can see that the psilohuasca experiences i've had was more along those lines.

in terms of chemistry, is it literally activating the dmt and somehow overlooking the ring or chain that differentiates psilocybin from dmt..?? i've heard that if you smoke mushrooms, (which i did, gross, dusty weird feeling in the lungs, not recommended) you are smoking a low dose of dmt, because somehow the heat destroys the other ring or whatever (excuse my chemistry nomenclature flaws, its been a while). what do you know of this ismene..??
 
Ismene, oh okay cool, good info. And lemon oil? Thanks, I'm buying some of that for sure.

thoughtsUnThought, yeah I guess I'm splitting into another line of inquiry here, sorry about that.
I was going off on a tangent about age and the resulting 'body load' from your body not able to process the mushrooms. Or something. 8(

Anyways, the main questions (I was asking to begin with):
1) What are people's experiences with MAOi + Mushrooms, as far as body load and nausea go?

2) Is it a characteristically different experience (for you) or just stronger but the same as a larger dose of mushrooms? Or a blend of both?


And anything else you all want to throw in here, it's all fine by me. :)
 
alrighty,
1) i definitely noted nausea on the eighth plus maoi during the come-up, but not so when i was eating half eighths with syrian rue.

2)without a doubt very characteristically different, but then again i've only ever eaten 5g. not a quarter, so i can't say for absolute sure. and i only ate 5g. once, perhaps a quarter would match up (the whole doubles the intensity notion)...but i really doubt it. and when i ate a half eighth of them with rue, it was nothing like an eighth or any other amount of straight shrooms.

i'll quit hoggin your threads now... :)
 
Not a problem, at all. It's a great introduction to the forum for me!
Very human and polite. As opposed to the 'newb hate' some places cultivate.

I hope all my questions get such great and detailed responses.

But anyways, Peace.
Take it easy.
 
I really thought Cubensis mushrooms + P. Harmala made for a more grounded and earthy trip than mushrooms alone. By grounded I don't necessarily mean attached to normal consensus reality, but rather anchored to the matter-manifestation of a spiritual or mystical reality and yes for me this was closely related to a strong body effect. I was just as high as I felt stoned.
The combination was really very potent, it felt to me like I did not have a snowball's chance in hell anymore of negotiating with the experience. It was quite valuable but I don't plan on doing it again or maybe only very few times in my life. It gave me powerful visions and I met "myself", like a doppelgänger or my deeper self and was overwhelmed with utter misunderstanding. I had a hard time grasping the symbolic nature of that encounter.
 
Sometimes being discombobulated is a unique and humbling experience of it's own. I rather enjoy it, sometimes.
When I can sit and just bear witness to my own confusion...silently observe the act of being utterly and totally confused.
I mean, it happens so rarely, it's kind of a treat isn't it?

Any stomach aches? Physical pains, I wonder?
 
thoughtsUnThought said:
in terms of chemistry, is it literally activating the dmt and somehow overlooking the ring or chain that differentiates psilocybin from dmt..??
Click to expand...

That is the 64 million dollar question! Dunno quite how it works it's wonders to perform but it sure as hell works them! This is with moclobemide by the way, I've never tried it with rue or caapi so I don't know if they have the same effect.
 
I'm searching through "The Big & Dandy 'Nausea and Psychedelics' Thread" but only 3 posts even related to MAOi ingestion. Crazy, huh?
 
Moclobemide and mushrooms doesn't cause any nausea - rue and caapi probably will cause a little but that's because they cause nausea all by themselves.
 
Rue+mushrooms personally had no time to give me any kind of nausea.
Rue DEFINITELY changes the qualitative nature of the trip.

T+0: 3g rue seeds
T+15 min: 3g Psilocybe cyanescens (already a hefty dose)
T+30 min: swirls begin, brief feeling of "oops"
T+40 min: lost in inner visions, complete bodily disconnect. No chance for bodyload.
--time passes, but who knows exactly how much, could be an hour, could be a year--
T+4 hours: abrupt comedown, WTF just happened to me.
 
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