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How do 5/6-APB stack against MDA?

FuriKuri06 said:
I wrote a bit of a lengthy bit down below so I can get to the topic on hand first, and then side story later. I'm basically looking to emulate the MDA ride, I'm not expecting anything to come close to being exact, even MDMA feels different, but I think I'm gonna get my hands on the APB's.
Initially I was only going to get 6-apb because it had the trippy aspect to it, but then 5-apb came about and I hear that it actually starts off more intense initially and feels almost the same as 6-apb, but without the trippyness; almost sounds like MDMA and MDA switched the body high aspect with each other. So I hear a mixture of about 40:60 ratio of 5:6-apb to be absolutely the shit.

And if I get around to this, the only thing I'm a bit clueless on now is the dosage. My usual MDxx dosage I wrote down below, so I'm thinking of doing something like 120mg 6-apb and 80mg 5-apb bomb, and I'm told not to redose, because this lasts longer than MDA even. I'm really curious as to how similar the body high and emotions this will bring about and exactly what type of psychedelic effects I will be expecting. I doubt it'l be anticholorgenic character that MDA has, but something more along the lines of low dose of 2C's. Anyways, what do you guys thing?
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I didn't read your story so I apologize if you addressed this already but imo the 5/6 apb combo at 100 mgs each is superior to that of MDA imo but also fairly psychedelic, definitely draining and perhaps may puddle you. I was puddled for a good 10-15 mins and I've been rollling for while now on my first time trying the combo but it's a great combo for sure.
 
^^ Hmmm sounds good. Are they better than MDA by themselves or is the combo what does it?

Hmmm looking at the structures of the three, I wonder if it's similar/better than MDA since if the 5/6-apb molecules stack up against each other, the oxygens would stand in place where MDA has them, but the added alkyl group kinda hiding behind them. Yay for understanding organic chemistry!

Kinda wish I went into chemistry related field instead of pharmacy, but even then I guess I could go into research hehe

Also, still unsure about redosing, I know it won't be necessary but just what if the fuck I'm high and I decide to, I'd rather have some sort of knowledge about it or knowledge of someones experience with such.

Really glad that the APB's are less sketchy than from the start... lol what happened to 5-Methyl-MDA
 
FuriKuri06 said:
^^ Hmmm sounds good. Are they better than MDA by themselves or is the combo what does it?
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The apb combo was better than MDA. I have only tried 6-apb a couple times on it's own and I guess it depends what you like, 6 apb on it's own is still quality but I prefer MDA so far. I'm not too knowledgeable in regards to the chemistry aspect so I couldn't tell you there.

Some have reported selling different chems off as 6 and low purity, so it hasn't been without issues.
 
Visuals do not make a compound psychedelic.

MDA and high dose MDMA visuals will have you seeing things like hats on people without hats on their heads... fangs for teeth... shadow people... people dividing in two and talking to each other and then recombining... paintings turning into movies... as well as auras around things.

6-APB apparently is the same type of thing. These are not psychedelic drugs. They are empathogenic/euphoriant-deleriants. Neurotoxic substances that wear down your body as well.

The term psychedelic has to do with what's going on in your mind, not how vivid the hallucinations are that you might see.
 
empathogenic/euphoriant deliriants? Never heard that one about MDA/MDMA or 5/6-APB before.
Are they neurotoxic as well?

Are you sure this is not just something that happens in overdose situations?
 
bluedolphin said:
Visuals do not make a compound psychedelic.

MDA and high dose MDMA visuals will have you seeing things like hats on people without hats on their heads... fangs for teeth... shadow people... people dividing in two and talking to each other and then recombining... paintings turning into movies... as well as auras around things.

6-APB apparently is the same type of thing. These are not psychedelic drugs. They are empathogenic/euphoriant-deleriants. Neurotoxic substances that wear down your body as well.

The term psychedelic has to do with what's going on in your mind, not how vivid the hallucinations are that you might see.
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MDA is a 5ht2a agonist, and that's thought to be responsible for all the visuals, which is why it's typically classed as a psychedelic. 6-APB is suspected to be too given it's close relation to MDA, but that's all speculation at the moment.

What I can say is the visuals I experienced on 6-APB were nothing like any deliriant experience I've ever had, and were very similar to psychedelic phenethylamine visuals, albeit quite mild.

I suspect the deliriant like visuals people have experienced on MDA, 5/6-APB and even high enough doses of MDMA are likely some form of stimulant psychosis, as overdoing any stimulant can sometimes lead to these kinds of hallucinations.
 
A nice little rule is don't use the word deliriant. Delirium is a really extreme phenomenon; it is to psychedelics what fascism is to American politics.

Stimulant psychosis from MDMA et al is not utterly surprising, but it seems likely in any case that those experiencing s.p. were probably taking pills cut with amphetamines. Particularly auditory hallucinations are more common in s.p. than on psychedelics, DiPT notwithstanding.

Set and setting are still relevant on entactogens; a dark, loud, crowded place with flashing lights may conjure baroque confabulations for some people.
 
Jesusgreen said:
MDA is a 5ht2a agonist, and that's thought to be responsible for all the visuals, which is why it's typically classed as a psychedelic. 6-APB is suspected to be too given it's close relation to MDA, but that's all speculation at the moment.

What I can say is the visuals I experienced on 6-APB were nothing like any deliriant experience I've ever had, and were very similar to psychedelic phenethylamine visuals, albeit quite mild.

I suspect the deliriant like visuals people have experienced on MDA, 5/6-APB and even high enough doses of MDMA are likely some form of stimulant psychosis, as overdoing any stimulant can sometimes lead to these kinds of hallucinations.
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Understood. But 5-HT2a agonism from one chemical causes a lot different effects than others. MDMA, and MDA, and supposedly 6-APB are serotonin releasers.

I've never had 6-APB but I've had my share of MDMA and MDA in both reasonable and excessive doses back in the day, and I never did consider these chemicals psychedelic. And I have sure had some wild visual experiences with both MDA and MDMA.

The reason I prefer (and push for) the (re)classification "empathogen euphoric-deleriants" is because these chemicals induce a loss of inhibitions. The majority of the altered thought process is pushed towards seeing the world through a euphoric lens. And because of how strong these chemicals push the user in that direction, and the fact that people can often see visuals that are compared to anticholorigenic-type realism and intensity, there is the aspect of delerium.


In case you can't tell I do not hold this class of chemicals in high regard. I do hold real psychedelics in the highest regard. That's another reason why I won't call them psychedelics.

But of course PD on Bluelight is the best place to discuss them because at least there will be some intelligent conversation about it here.
 
I don't think there's any harm in calling them psychedelic in their effects. If asked how I'd refer to them though I'd refer to them as empathogenic stimulants, strictly calling them psychedelics in my opinion would be like calling MXE a stimulant - it possesses stimulant effects, but at it's heart it's a dissociative. At their heart, MDxx and x-APB are empathogens/stimulants.

It's a hard thing to debate though since classification is already a very messy issue and everyone has their own views on what should fit where.
 
My latest point of view on this drug is that after extensively trying real 6-apb myself I think it's a beautiful drug. Both for big doses and repeated small doses.

All the shit I read from people saying they'd taken one tablet and felt ok and then taken 2 and almost died can't have been taking 6-apb at all - must have been some dodgy pill they were buying.

Not so keen on 5-apb, I think 6-apb is the star.
 
I've not used MDA to my knowledge, but as others have stated 5/6-APB do compare well with MDMA, with the advantage of lasting longer and having less of a crash (some speculate to be a result of the alpha-methyldopamine metabolite, though I haven't heard whether this metabolite may also result from 5/6-APB metabolism). 6-APB sounds more like MDA as I've heard it described (speedier/trippier than MDMA) so I'm betting it's a pretty good substitute. I personally prefer 5 with a small IM dose of aMT (caution: likely risky combo).

The visuals people are describing with MDA in this thread sound like the sorts I've gotten from staying up a long time on amphetamines and especially like those I had around 24 hours in on my one experience with meth at a rave (a half-dreaming/projecting sort of of perceptual error from exhaustion sort of visual). I could also see that sort of visual resulting from chemically induced "fever," too, especially if you're dancing on top of it. I'm wondering if some of what's been reported might have to do with memories of taking MDA at raves when people were significantly younger. I wouldn't imagine MDA's 5HT2a agonism to produce visuals much different than those in the 5HT psychedelic spectrum. I know Captain Heroin has a report of IV MDA where he reports DMT like visuals. From a reductionist standpoint I'd expect you could approximate MDA with MDMA and an NBOMe with a high selectivity for 5HT2a (25B I think) but who knows what sort of unknown and unpredictable interactions are happening in the brain with these different chems, so maybe not. 6-APB is probably the the best bet for a substitute I know of.
 
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