B. Caapi alone?

[infinity00]

Is it possible to take B. Caapi alone and what would be the recommended dosage?
Any recommended ways of ingestion?

 

[Static Cloud]

NSFW:

I think you'd have to extract the DMT and smoke it. If consumed orally DMT will be broken down before it can be properly absorbed into the bloodstream, hence the need for two plants when making ayahuasca, one contains MAO inhibitors, which make sure that DMT isn't broken down.

Disregard that, I screwed up.

 

[shishigami]

B. Caapi doesn't contain DMT, it contains MAOIs.

I would start around 25 g of what ever plant material you have. Maybe more, the strength varies from batch to batch, vine to leaf, so its kinda tossup.

There's a way to make a tea from it that is detailed with lots of other information here:
https://www.dmt-nexus.com/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=8972

Watch your diet and know that most people throw up on B. Caapi.., it's called the purge and is supposed to be very cleansing.

 

[infinity00]

yea im aware of that , im just wondering if you could do anything with the vine alone.
i havent yet made the purchase but i seen the vine on a vendors site and read a little bit about it. im into psychedelics not just to trip out but to learn from the experiences. ive probably tripped on lsd over 30 times, taken mushrooms about 20 and each time was diffrent . it made me a better human being . so now i think im ready for the next step.

any recommendations of any other psychedelics would be greatly appreciated

 

[Ismene]

If you close your eyes and use your imagination you might be able to take yourself on some kind of journey with caapi but it's nothing like what I would call a trip.

Caapi also gives you a wicked headache, nausea and the shits.

EDIT: Ignore what the vendors say about caapi - they'll tell you that you'll trip off it all by itself which is complete horseshit.

 

[Propyl Power]

^ Speak for yourself. I've never had a headache, nausea, or the shits from Caapi. But then I suspect this is because I try to approach her with the respect she deserves.

Yes higher doses will likely make you vomit, or purge. For some people that is reason enough to never touch it, for others that is a reason to pursue it.

It is certainly psychoactive, and sometimes moderately visual on its own, but does not offer the classic notion of a 'trip' - MAOI's tend to be dreamy, sleepy, trancey, etc. If you desire more of a psychedelic effect, that's when you add DMT or plants containing such.

Dose can range from 10 grams to 100 grams, for very strong or very weak vine, but 30-40 grams seems to be the average.

honestly infinity00, if you have questions about caapi or ayahuasca, i would ask them either at http://forums.ayahuasca.com/ or https://www.dmt-nexus.com/forum/.

Bluelight mainly focuses on synthetic psychedelics, and does so laudably; however there are not many people here who seriously work with plant medicines, and those who do are often quickly denied and denigrated by dogmatic reductionists. So just be aware that the answers you receive here may be of a different flavor than the answers you might receive elsewhere...

Here is a very interesting and beautifully written piece exploring some of the issues around B. Caapi and Ayahuasca, from someone who has dedicated his life to that path: http://forums.ayahuasca.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=13580

blessed be

 

[Baars]

EDIT: Ignore what the vendors say about caapi - they'll tell you that you'll trip off it all by itself which is complete horseshit.

caapi alone can bring a very strong trip with 20g raw vine eaten

 

[Ismene]

If you see any vendor offering you "ayahuasca" and selling you caapi alone then you are being ripped off. Taking caapi is absolutely nothing like ayahuasca. Anyone expecting a trip from caapi alone is going to be sorely disappointed.

 

[Jesusgreen]

If you see any vendor offering you "ayahuasca" and selling you caapi alone then you are being ripped off. Taking caapi is absolutely nothing like ayahuasca. Anyone expecting a trip from caapi alone is going to be sorely disappointed.

I wouldn't worry about them offering it under the name "Ayahuasca", since technically the name does come from the Caapi vine alone. However I'd find it pretty weird if they only offered the vine and not any of the accompanying DMT containing plants.

Caapi itself is psychoactive and some of the the indigenous shamans who use the brew also use the vine on it's own, but from what I've heard from people who've tried it - the main experience is a massive purging, throwing up, extreme diarrhoea - and in terms of positive effects you might feel a little dreamy, no trip. They typically use the vine on it's own in the hope of inducing visions in that night's sleep, and I've not heard about anyone having much success with that.

 

[Ismene]

I wouldn't worry about them offering it under the name "Ayahuasca", since technically the name does come from the Caapi vine alone.

I think there's some confusion about that, some tribes call both vine and DMT source "ayahuasca" and others call the vine ayahuasca. The translators wern't too interested and just put down any name - I don't think they realised to have ayahuasca you needed a DMT source.

Caapi itself is psychoactive and some of the the indigenous shamans who use the brew also use the vine on it's own

Are they always using it to trip tho? I know a lot of indigenous shamen suffer from worms and think that lots of vomiting will help get rid of them.

 

[Jesusgreen]

No, as I said, I don't think any of them were using it for the subjective effects experienced at the time, in all the accounts I've read they seemed to think it gave visions when they want to sleep - so maybe it has some effect on dream clarity/recall/lucidity? That sounds like deliriants to me honestly.

^ That too.

 

[sn23]

IME it is active on it's own but does not induce a typical 5-HTR-psychedelic experience. I remember nausea, just not strong enough to induce vomiting, blurred vision, dizziness. And, as said, a dreamy mindstate in which immersive vision-like situations slowly appeared and faded. They were like spontaneously taken photographs, in the sense of, when you look at them, nothing really happens but you get the momentum of whats going on. Some of those 'visions' concerned personal issues and some seemed to be taken out of normal everyday life.

 

[Survived Abortion]

I think there's some confusion about that, some tribes call both vine and DMT source "ayahuasca" and others call the vine ayahuasca. The translators wern't too interested and just put down any name - I don't think they realised to have ayahuasca you needed a DMT source.

What does that word "ayahuasca" mean then? I am under the impression that ayahuasca means "vine of the souls", and that the indigenous native americans themselves call it "ayawaska" (ayahuasca being a european spelling of the same phonetic word used by the amazonians).

This is what wikipedia says on the subject:

"In Ecuador, Bolivia and Peru, Colombia and to a lesser extent in Brazil, "ayahuasca" or "ayawaska" is Quechua for "spirit vine" or "vine of the souls"; aya means "spirit" while huasca or waska means "vine". The spelling of ayahuasca is the hispanicized version of the name; many Quechua or Aymara speakers would prefer the spelling ayawaska. The name is properly that of the plant B. caapi, one of the primary sources of beta-carbolines for the brew."[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca#Nomenclature]​

 

[Ismene]

What does that word "ayahuasca" mean then?

Depending on the tribe it means either the 1)vine alone, or 2) the vine and DMT, or 3) both 1 and 2 at the same time.

I don't know where wiki got their information, I got it from a paper by Richard Evans Schultes who was the first guy with any genuine interest in what ayahusca actually was.

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

i remember reading that peruvian natives refer to the vine as the 'power' of the experience and the viridis as the 'light' kind of interesting i think....

but i agree there seems to be confusion between the two, ayahuasca is used to refer to the vine in some texts, as noted 'vine of the soul'. but also to the brew containing the vine as well as the viridis leaves (and possibly other additions depending on the specific tribes, some add small small doses of datura leaves i believe, they say it 'increases the vidiness of the visions'...lol, i bet it does)